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[Aaperture]

Ratham wrote...

Thats because you didnt make any arguements.

You stated facts and told me to leave because I'm outnumbered...

The facts in question are all being presented againt the people for PvP. The facts were the argument. Like how PvP is a terrible idea.

But hey, at least you can agree that they are indeed facts.

Modifié par Aaperture, 10 avril 2012 - 12:45 .

[MissMinaethiel]

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

[TheProfessor234]

Only if people are allowed to be soldiers and nothing else. Any other class would just make it borderline awful from balance issues.

[Ratham]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

Modifié par Ratham, 10 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Highlord Heian]

Aaperture wrote...

The facts in question are all being
presented againt the people for PvP. The facts were the argument. Like
how PvP is a terrible idea.

But hey, at least you can agree that they are indeed facts.

Pfft, those facts only prove your point, they don't make vague claims about how easy PvP would be to implement!



He only believes in pretend facts.

[xtorma]

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

it was there from the start, and it is a part of what folks paid for. no one here paid for pvp, not even you.

[Highlord Heian]

Ratham wrote...

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Quick question:

Are you ****ing retarded?

[iAmWhitey]

i can't say i don't want it cause it could be fun, in a way

but, they would practically have to make a mp system from scratch,
its just not gonna happen no matter how many posts there are about a few people wanting pvp.

[Ratham]

Aaperture wrote...

Ratham wrote...

Thats because you didnt make any arguements.

You stated facts and told me to leave because I'm outnumbered...

The facts in question are all being presented againt the people for PvP. The facts were the argument. Like how PvP is a terrible idea.

But hey, at least you can agree that they are indeed facts.

Really the only real "fact" that was presented here was that BSN hates pvp. Which was quite obvious from this thread.

[Ratham]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Ratham wrote...

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Quick question:

Are you ****ing retarded?

Its possible I guess

Thought I saw quite a bit of rage on BSN when MP was announced... though I will admit I didnt follow this game / forums through development, so I'm not entirely sure what was asked for way back.

Modifié par Ratham, 10 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[Udalango]

What happens when two opposing Vanguards charge eachother?

[Ratham]

Udalango wrote...

What happens when two opposing Vanguards charge eachother?

You pick a red / green / blue colored explosion to go boom and kill everybody.

Modifié par Ratham, 10 avril 2012 - 12:50 .

[iAmWhitey]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Ratham wrote...

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Quick question:

Are you ****ing retarded?

i lol'd

[dragonhunter777]

*sigh* I cannot believe I'm replying in this thread, but I'll give it a shot to give my opinions.

Lastswarm wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

Trylobyte wrote...

Warning, serious reply in a troll thread.

Three points go against PvP. First and simplest, Mass Effect is at its heart an RPG, and the current multiplayer meshes pretty well with that. A PvP mode doesn't fit - With the Reapers invading, why would the races' best and brightest be out there trying to kill each other? It breaks the atmosphere of the game to have such a thing around and atmosphere is important in games like these.

Second, mechanics. The classes would need to be redone and rebalanced in order to make the mode fair, let alone fun. You would need to implement some kind of respawning system or some way to make the match not end the minute four people die, or matches would last all of two minutes. A lot of classes would be outright ineffective due to one-shot kills or mass CC like Stasis (which would work on everyone since nobody has Armor). As a side effect, you'd also get a lot more hacking and cheating going on, as you do in any PvP-oriented FPS game. It comes with the genre.

Third, you can say 'Don't like it, don't play it' all you want. The fact remains that developing a PvP mode takes development resources that could be spent on doing things that the majority of the playerbase actually wants - Would you rather have PvP mode or better endings? PvP or the free Resurgence DLC? You can't have everything, as BioWare only has so many people to work on the project. Adding a widely unpopular, unwanted option at the expense of things the community wants a lot more is a great way to lose a lot of potential customers.

This

1. - Lore is evolving
- People could play as reapers
- It could be an intergalactic "sport"
- lol, story as your first point

2. Yes, There would have to be tweaking to some classes. CC is easily taken care of with "trinkets" and Drs, Also - there's a way it dosen't affect your precious pve at all. Most decent programmers nowadays are able to completly negate the presence of hackers.

3. This game has a pretty small life lenght given it's single-player campaign focus. The multiplayer feels cheap and incompleted without a pvp component to it.

1. -Yes, it is true that lore is evolving.
- I could see that, but they'd still need some sort of balancing (like the Banshee's insta-kill move for example)
- I really can't see some sort of fighting being an intergalactic "sport" in the middle of a REAPER INVASION.
- You do know that the MP content affects your SP to a degree?  Sure, it might not give you the best ending all the time if you have 100% Galactic Readiness, but promoting your chars gives you 75 EMS per promotion.  And if you have played the SP and done the N7 missions, you will know that those missions take place on the very same maps you play on in MP.  The characters you play as are mercs, soldiers, and smart scientists/engineers going down to clean up what Shepard and the crew left down there.

2. Although I have played other RPG's and I know what you're saying, the Mass Effect universe doesn't have those anymore.  In ME2, for instance, Sabotage only worked on synthetics without shields, but now I can hack a Geth Prime that has full shields to fight for me.  Equipment only effects you offensively, with only two working defensively (Cyclonic Modulator and Adrenaline Module), and the amount of programming that would be needed to create Equipment to stop the effects of CCs and give more defensive buffs would be time spent working on the endings and the current PvE.  Also, your programmers arguement is not valid, since an example is Halo or Battlefield, which both have programmers working 24/7/365 to stop hackers and cheaters.  But you still see hackers in them.  It may cut down on hacking and cheating, but it doesn't solve the problem.  Hackers will always exist, even if you put in the best anti-hacking programs and the best programmers to stop them.  There are always hackers that are even smarter.

3.  While the SP may not have that much of a life because of the endings, if BW clarifies the endings and makes them enjoyable again, I will bet you that people will play the SP to death after the MP dies.  That's what they did with the first two ME's since their SP was so enjoyable and had very many variables.

Please.  ME does not need a PvP.  If they make an ME MMORPG, then they will definitely put it in.  Otherwise, they will not do PvP.  It will take too much resources to make, not to mention money.  Most programmars get paid over $100000 to do their job for a year, maybe even more if they're more experienced.  Plus, they probably get commission for each game, so they get even more money with each copy that's sold.  That's a lot of money that the programmers are making that the company won't get.

[Lionheartwolf]

Ratham wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

Ratham wrote...

I find it funny you tell me to go to a bad community and that adding pvp would "ruin your game"

Ironic isnt it? People want something YOU dont like, and you tell them to leave because it would bring a "bad community"

Dont like it? Dont participate, but dont bash it and say it doesnt belong because you're afraid youd get killed.

It doesn't belong because it's a stupid idea. I already own games for PvP. And I have the common sense to know, this game would not support PvP in a reasonable way. It isn't designed for it, it isn't created for it, and the entire concept doesn't work for the entirety of the combat system, mechanics, and design.

Of course, you don't understand that much. Your support of PvP can only come from the most painful of mental deficiencies.

Cool, more insults from the PVE community, but I'm the one thats from the big meanie pvpers...

Did I say that mass effect THREE should have/consider pvp? Nope, all I've done is try to defend pvp/pvpers in general, and state that pvp could/should be present in future ME titles.

well i have tried to avoid the use of insults (aside from calling mysterious stranger a vagabond, but seriously look out for him )

i mean its easy to argue PvP into any game. the question really comes from why ME. you have to change so much of the system that all you have left is some bare bone weapons that bring nothing new or fun to the ME universe. most people here can think of all the things they would have to take out, not a lot of stuff is coming up as a good idea. co-op works works for this game, but PvP not so much.

i mean i already gave my opinion on PvP in general but in just regards to this universe its not oging to work without stripping the game of almost everything that makes ME, ME.

i mean this game has most weapons and abilities that are either instant, go through cover, or go around cover, and its a cover based shooter.

[Ratham]

xtorma wrote...

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

it was there from the start, and it is a part of what folks paid for. no one here paid for pvp, not even you.

I didnt say that I did pay for pvp

[MissMinaethiel]

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

Yup, and I can't see PvP being worth the man power and cost of making/implementing. The majority may not of asked for it (PvE MP), but it actually was a feasible thing to implement (unlike PvP which has much more variables to consider than PvE) and the majority of the community now enjoys it. And a majority of this community does not like the idea of PvP.

You can argue for it all you want, but I want to see a supporter present a valid scenario for balance and entertainment for PvP instead of speaking out about wanting it. All ideas need a strong base for consideration.

[Highlord Heian]

I think this game should add a horse-riding simulator mode. I like to traipse about on an equestrian steed, so they should add that mode.

What do you mean, it doesn't make sense in the context of the existing game!? I want to ride horses, it's dangerous, and PvE is for wimps who aren't as totally cool as me. I don't care that it falls outside the current design and mechanics, I want to ride horses.

My suggestion is better. Cowboys rode horses, they didn't play space-PvP.

Me: 1
Stupid PvP argument: 0

[xtorma]

Ratham wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

it was there from the start, and it is a part of what folks paid for. no one here paid for pvp, not even you.

I didnt say that I did pay for pvp

whatever homie.

[BNRasec]

No, find a new game idiot.

[adawg828]

If you mean PvP like Left 4 Dead then sure give me it I would love it.

[Bamford38]

Anyone that wants PVP.

Go play COD with the rest of the prepubescent idiots

[Ratham]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

Yup, and I can't see PvP being worth the man power and cost of making/implementing. The majority may not of asked for it (PvE MP), but it actually was a feasible thing to implement (unlike PvP which has much more variables to consider than PvE) and the majority of the community now enjoys it. And a majority of this community does not like the idea of PvP.

You can argue for it all you want, but I want to see a supporter present a valid scenario for balance and entertainment for PvP instead of speaking out about wanting it. All ideas need a strong base for consideration.

Apply that to a possible future pvp mode.

Could make some cash off of stupid little customization/weapon packs like they are with the spectre packs now.

Modifié par Ratham, 10 avril 2012 - 12:55 .

[MissMinaethiel]

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

Yup, and I can't see PvP being worth the man power and cost of making/implementing. The majority may not of asked for it (PvE MP), but it actually was a feasible thing to implement (unlike PvP which has much more variables to consider than PvE) and the majority of the community now enjoys it. And a majority of this community does not like the idea of PvP.

You can argue for it all you want, but I want to see a supporter present a valid scenario for balance and entertainment for PvP instead of speaking out about wanting it. All ideas need a strong base for consideration.

Apply that to a possible future pvp mode.

Could make some cash off of stupid little customization/weapon packs like they are with the spectre packs now.

Yes but that doesn't make the feasibility argument any less valid. Seriously, someone in support of PvP provide me with a balanced scenario. I can't consider PvP in ME3 at all with the amount of balance issues there are.

[sca462069]

I don't think you'll see PvP on the current multiplayer, Because I don't think it can do it by the way it was made. You might see it in the future as another game though.
If they balanced it well I might play it, But I would guess everyone would play Asari Adept and it would end up as a Stasis war.

Modifié par sca462069, 10 avril 2012 - 12:58 .