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[wolfstanus]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Delta095 wrote...

Being attacked by biotic attacks isn't something that's designed in the game. YOU don't ever get thrown, lifted, slammed, charged, pulled, reave'd, stasis'd, or anything like that. Imagine how ridiculous that would be.

Personally, I want to see that old FPS multiplayer mode they had going back in 2010

You do get Warped by the Banshee. The enegy ball she throws is more or less a slower moving Warp. But yes the impact based biotics and non-biotic powers are not used against the Player in the ME system.

If they were, I would imagine these would only have stagger effects, which would not translate well in PvP.

If you have spacemarine you know full well stager does not work well in pvp...

[Lionheartwolf]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

Ratham wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

Ratham wrote...

Doesnt have to be Mass Effect 3. Could very well be a gameplay option in a future Mass Effect game.

I think some people are getting confused with what I'm suggesting. It makes me sad

Meanwhile, Mass Effect 3 forums....

What's sad is you backpedaling so rapidly on your argument. Just stop. You're trying desperately to change what you "meant" so you feel less like a complete fool, but just. Stop.

Your brain is obviously catching up to what you're doing and panicking, sirens blaring, the big red "ABANDON IDEA" sign blinking frantically.

You do know thats not the only time I said that, right? I've been saying over and over "not specifically ME3"

You twisted my words into what you personally wanted to read, and are now trying to use that against me somehow for some reason...

I don't need to twist your words, because that would mean I'd need to touch them, and I don't want my hands to get dumb.

You know, your rudeness is incomprehensibly dumb in and of itself. Do you need to insult everyone that has an idea you don't like? Granted both sides have been lobbing insults everywhere but every post you've made is just flat out demeaning and unhelpful to the debate.

if he didnt catch on a few pages back when i pointed it out i doubt its going to change much now.

[Toucans]

Lastswarm wrote...

I truly think pvp is worth a try despite all its detractors. The more you enlarge your client base the more you make a successful game.

I would say it's not worth the risk.

Everyone was really skeptical when they announced the multiplayer component because it's an inherintly risky thing to add to any perdominantly singleplayer game. People hated it in Bioshock for example. Also, right or not, gamers tend to see an mp component as watering down a game. If the singleplayer game isn't as good as the predecessor and it has a bad mp, people get mad. Bioware made the right choice to do a horde-style multiplayer since it helps to preserve the balanance of the main game.

If they made it PvP, suddenly it's much riskier due to balance concerns. Even if someone likes pvp games they won't like one that's wildly imbalanced. If Bioware did that it would most likely be yet another percieved failure of the game rather than the pleasant surprise which is the current co-op centric mp. So no, not worth the risk.

[Dorje Sylas]

Aaperture wrote...

They should add a Normandy racing mode where you can trick-out your own SR2 Normandy and race your friends in different galactic courses.

Racing games are better than PvE anyway. Racing is fast-paced and fun and PvE is lame and too easy.

And if you don't like the Normandy racing mode, then don't play it. It's that easy.

MAKO RACER 2183! ALL THE SIX WHEEL THRUSTER ACTION YOUR BRAIN CAN'T TAKE! ON REMOTE DESOLATE WORLDS YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF!

[Ratham]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Aaperture wrote...

They should add a Normandy racing mode where you can trick-out your own SR2 Normandy and race your friends in different galactic courses.

Racing games are better than PvE anyway. Racing is fast-paced and fun and PvE is lame and too easy.

And if you don't like the Normandy racing mode, then don't play it. It's that easy.

MAKO RACER 2183! ALL THE SIX WHEEL THRUSTER ACTION YOUR BRAIN CAN'T TAKE! ON REMOTE DESOLATE WORLDS YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF!

....with the unknown jungle planet DLC maps coming this summer....

[Delta095]

Ratham wrote...

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Aaperture wrote...

They should add a Normandy racing mode where you can trick-out your own SR2 Normandy and race your friends in different galactic courses.

Racing games are better than PvE anyway. Racing is fast-paced and fun and PvE is lame and too easy.

And if you don't like the Normandy racing mode, then don't play it. It's that easy.

MAKO RACER 2183! ALL THE SIX WHEEL THRUSTER ACTION YOUR BRAIN CAN'T TAKE! ON REMOTE DESOLATE WORLDS YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF!

....with the unknown jungle planet DLC maps coming this summer....

With the Normandy Joker Pack on sale for 800 bioware points

[Cyonan]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

MAKO RACER 2183! ALL THE SIX WHEEL THRUSTER ACTION YOUR BRAIN CAN'T TAKE! ON REMOTE DESOLATE WORLDS YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF!

That would probably actually be the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while.

[zhk3r]

Yes. Let's add PVP to the mix.

> People are crying for nerfs and buffs on a daily basis, in a co-op game (Read: Co-op).
> BioWare listens to the people wanting PVP, and adds it.
> After months and months of trying to balance PVP in a game which focuses on "overpowered" abilites and weapons ranging from amazing to pure s*hit, BW decides to remove abilites all together and the only weapon allowed is M-8 Avenger because the forum is filled up with neverending threads about balance issues.
> Then, people keep crying. 

It's not that I don't enjoy PVP. It's that the idea of PVP in a game like Mass Effect is not a good one. It would be a stagger-fest which never ends. How are they supposed to balance the Vanguard vs the Infiltrator. How are Biotics going to work?.. The fact of the matter is that "adding" PVP to Mass Effect would require an enormous amount of work on BioWare's part. Balancing aside, actually creating the PVP would also require work. I'd rather have new gamemods, more enemy factions and maps to play in this *COOP* game. If you want to play PVP with superb abilities I suggest you check out Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Modifié par zhk3r, 10 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[Yigorse]

 If there is any mercy left on the internet

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[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

I'm Commander Shepard the Grey Warden, and no.

[Toucans]

The only way I see pvp mp being worth anything with the current classes is if it was some fan mod, then it might be worth a quick round or two for lolz, but Bioware isn't going to provide the tools and there's no way EA would allow them to do it.

[Dorje Sylas]

Ratham wrote...

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Aaperture wrote...

They should add a Normandy racing mode where you can trick-out your own SR2 Normandy and race your friends in different galactic courses.

Racing games are better than PvE anyway. Racing is fast-paced and fun and PvE is lame and too easy.

And if you don't like the Normandy racing mode, then don't play it. It's that easy.

MAKO RACER 2183! ALL THE SIX WHEEL THRUSTER ACTION YOUR BRAIN CAN'T TAKE! ON REMOTE DESOLATE WORLDS YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF!

....with the unknown jungle planet DLC maps coming this summer....

Actually I"m going to back off the sarcasm train for a momment and say a Tank fighting game between some of the land vehicles of Mass Effect could actually be fun. It would be a total depature and there is no way it could be built into ME3, but I wouldn't necessarily say no out of hand to the concept down the line. Car combat games have never really take off big, but then again I haven't seen to many attempts at "squad focused" vehicle combat, which is a halmark of Mass Effect... squads... or would that be squadrens in the case of vehicles?

[Simocrates]

Lastswarm wrote...

But there is a catch. People who don't want it. DON'T HAVE TO PLAY IT. The only reason we don't have a pvp mode is laziness from the developpers to try and balance classes over a pvp mindset. It's too hard. Better try to make money off ridiculous unnecessary dlc content. 

Nope.

[xtorma]

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Ratham wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Unless the majority of the community wants it, I don't see it happening.

Ever.

Even if it was a majority I don't see it likely to happen.

Ever.

Because the balancing involved would be such a pain. Besides that the MAJORITY of the community doesn't want it or doesn't see a way to implement it. You supporters keep saying "oh, PvP is something ME3 needs!" but fail at providing a plan of implementation that is balanced, entertaining, and has replay value.

If a detailed plan WAS put forth instead of less aggressiveness, the anti-PvP people might take you more seriously.

Did the "majority" want / ask for co-op? No

Its all about money and how many different types of players you can reach & get money from...

Yup, and I can't see PvP being worth the man power and cost of making/implementing. The majority may not of asked for it (PvE MP), but it actually was a feasible thing to implement (unlike PvP which has much more variables to consider than PvE) and the majority of the community now enjoys it. And a majority of this community does not like the idea of PvP.

You can argue for it all you want, but I want to see a supporter present a valid scenario for balance and entertainment for PvP instead of speaking out about wanting it. All ideas need a strong base for consideration.

Apply that to a possible future pvp mode.

Could make some cash off of stupid little customization/weapon packs like they are with the spectre packs now.

Yes but that doesn't make the feasibility argument any less valid. Seriously, someone in support of PvP provide me with a balanced scenario. I can't consider PvP in ME3 at all with the amount of balance issues there are.

Doesnt have to be Mass Effect 3. Could very well be a gameplay option in a future Mass Effect game.

I think some people are getting confused with what I'm suggesting. It makes me sad

For the record, yes I agree that NOW adding pvp to ME3 would be a balancing nightmare.

well the thread is about pvp in me3.

[Drummernate]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Ratham wrote...

Lol @ all the anti pvpers, what are you afraid of? That youd get owned?

If you wouldnt like it, dont play it.

PvP stomps PvE into the ground all day, every day.

PvE is made to let you win, there is no challenge.

Lol@ all the pvpers confirming what horrible people they seem to be.

Yeah go play gears of war if you want a ****ty community. Don't ruin our game

Its not the community...

It is the thousands of players that have Gnasher & Retro mods. I can't count how many times I have been one shot downed from well over 15m by a non-active Gnasher... or 2 shot downed by a Retro.

GoW is just like all games, some people are really cool guys, others are typical **** material.

[WaffleCrab]

PvP + vanguard krogan. Will it blend?

A: **** NO!

Edit: pressed submit too hastily rest of the intended post below.

bioware would have to go to immeasurable lenghts to balance the game, and in the process they would ruin the game for anyone trying to play SP as MP is tied to coop, making coop even more of a chore than it already is. this is the real reason people are anti PvP with this game, it would ruin the game for people who bought the game for SP and the coop. now think of that. millions and millions bought the game and they did not buy a PvP game. as someone said to PvP people already. There are plenty of other PvP games, go play them, but PvP would ruin all the other aspects of the game. Or it would simply come too late (years from now) for anyone to be interested as i predict that by 2014 or 2015 EA has a full fledged MMO or atleast MP centered ME game out that is not ME3. so what you PvP people are asking.

A.) will not happen

B.) can not happen

C.) would ruin the actual game for everyone

D.) would shift a game with 90% emphasis on single player, into something with 50% mp and 50% sp. we have seen a couple of those games, they did not do so well.

E.) would take too much resources, with all the existing glitches and fixes they need to do. i find it hard for them to find resources for PvP

F.) majority of the community could not give a flying <enter swear word> about PvP

G.) breaking a niche of the game. currently there are no other purely coop futuristic third person shooters with 1-4 players. adding pvp would make it un unique, as it is the gamer community is extremely friendly, get a PvP mode and you start hearing lil kids screaming over the mic. ****, ****, Pwnd etc. atrocities.

H.) on top of the resources. The dev team would need so much extra hours in chairs that by end of each day, each of em needs a tube of prep H.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 10 avril 2012 - 01:57 .

[Ratham]

WaffleCrab wrote...

PvP + vanguard krogan. Will it blend?

A: **** NO!

I think you're on to something...

Krogan vanguard only, no weapons, only biotic charge.

[Toucans]

How about this, you can play pvp but only with your super exclusive Battlefield 3 soldier.

[Highlord Heian]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

You know, your rudeness is incomprehensibly dumb in and of itself. Do you need to insult everyone that has an idea you don't like? Granted both sides have been lobbing insults everywhere but every post you've made is just flat out demeaning and unhelpful to the debate.

Unhelpful to the "debate"? This wasn't a "debate". The "for pvp" side didn't meaningful arguments or any point that was put across in a thoughtful way. It was "PvE is for ******" and "Not agreeing with PvP is ****gotry." This wasn't an intellectual discussion, this was a rehash of the same stupid threads about the same stupid topic.

You know what's rude? Posting the same thread over and over. You know what's rude? People throwing a half-baked argument at somebody's well-thought-out, point-by-point analysis. I feel bad for the people who made good, solid arguments, because the slack-jawed, half-witted responses complete detract from any actual, meaningful discussion.

[Highlord Heian]

xtorma wrote...

well the thread is about pvp in me3.

He's been steadily demanding that he didn't mean what he said if what he said was wrong.

[iamsnakemaster]

16th thread asking about pvp. Allow me to quote the lovely Matriarch Aethyta;

"uh huh..."

[Lastswarm]

Highlord Heian wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

You know, your rudeness is incomprehensibly dumb in and of itself. Do you need to insult everyone that has an idea you don't like? Granted both sides have been lobbing insults everywhere but every post you've made is just flat out demeaning and unhelpful to the debate.

Unhelpful to the "debate"? This wasn't a "debate". The "for pvp" side didn't meaningful arguments or any point that was put across in a thoughtful way. It was "PvE is for ******" and "Not agreeing with PvP is ****gotry." This wasn't an intellectual discussion, this was a rehash of the same stupid threads about the same stupid topic.

You know what's rude? Posting the same thread over and over. You know what's rude? People throwing a half-baked argument at somebody's well-thought-out, point-by-point analysis. I feel bad for the people who made good, solid arguments, because the slack-jawed, half-witted responses complete detract from any actual, meaningful discussion.

Bias - learn what it is my cute little cuddly friend.

[DevilHakoten]

No. We don't.

There's plenty of other PvP games out there.

[WaffleCrab]

Ratham wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

PvP + vanguard krogan. Will it blend?

A: **** NO!

I think you're on to something...

Krogan vanguard only, no weapons, only biotic charge.

lol i like the way you think, i think everyone suggesting a PvP would have to be forced to play a game of ME3 pvp, they will be allowed to use only salarian engy, and others would be allowed to use krogan vanguard.

[Highlord Heian]

Lastswarm wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

You know, your rudeness is incomprehensibly dumb in and of itself. Do you need to insult everyone that has an idea you don't like? Granted both sides have been lobbing insults everywhere but every post you've made is just flat out demeaning and unhelpful to the debate.

Unhelpful to the "debate"? This wasn't a "debate". The "for pvp" side didn't meaningful arguments or any point that was put across in a thoughtful way. It was "PvE is for ******" and "Not agreeing with PvP is ****gotry." This wasn't an intellectual discussion, this was a rehash of the same stupid threads about the same stupid topic.

You know what's rude? Posting the same thread over and over. You know what's rude? People throwing a half-baked argument at somebody's well-thought-out, point-by-point analysis. I feel bad for the people who made good, solid arguments, because the slack-jawed, half-witted responses complete detract from any actual, meaningful discussion.

Bias - learn what it is my cute little cuddly friend.

Lastswarm wrote...

Enjoy killing helpless A.I. over 1000 scripted encounters. I've seen the
elitism coming from the multiplayer's forum and it left me a little
speechless. I've never seen a community with so much ****gotry in it.

Sorry couldn't hear you over the resounding failure of all of your responses.

I saw exactly 0 thoughtful input from you all thread. You expected others to explain why PvP shouldn't exist, but apparently didn't feel obligated to make any mention as to how it should possibly be implemented. You didn't develop an idea, you had nothing but a vague, completely original thought and immediately posted it.

I invite you to point out anywhere that a meaningful argument for PvP was ever presented in this thread. Anything with actual thought and form put into it to convey viability and execution. Go right ahead.