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[kbct]

Personally, I think this is better art:



(gotta give it one minute)

[TRISTAN WERBE]

ME3 is a piece of ****

[TRISTAN WERBE]

 https://encrypted-tb...r76hdNLpB1oCoUA

[woodbyte]

Nightwriter wrote...
* Delicious *

Mmmmmm cheesecake.

[tommynocker001]

I've been to 'art galleries'. You know what I saw? A pile of bricks, stained bedsheets, two eggs and a piece of bacon on a table and half a pickled cow. It doesn't take much to shoehorn anything through the widening gap of reasonable doubt...

[Aganerral]

IT still means that they shipped an unfinished game, and there is no ending. Because if IT is true, then we don't know how the war turned out. And I would really, really like to know how the war turned out, and how my squadmates fared.

[Chrillze]

I used to believe the IT...and now I don't

[RyuujinZERO]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

someone else wrote...

ah yes, this thread again...

Yeah, and once again the IT believer is skirting the issue of the Normandy; none of them will ever tell me what that scene is about (pro-tip: because it makes no god-damn sense, either in the IT hypothesis or literally)

The Normandy scene is a symbolic representation of the uplifting freedom of breaking free from indoctrination as well as the subsequent crash back to reality.

Duh.

...not sure if trolling...

...sounds like troll... but sounds like IT believers too...

*look of realisation*

 IT believers are all  trolls! - i just uncovered biggest internet conspiracy ever, so big, even it's own members don't realise they're being double-trolled.

[Swordfishtrombone]

It might have been a piece of art, but if so, it was a piece of amateurish, very bad art.

OP - you refer to the mass effect series in your post as a scifi series, and I would agree with you for the 99% of the series. However, one of the ending options was not science fiction; because science fiction requires that there's at least a semblance of plausibility there. If you think that the green ending is somehow plausible, I'd like to see an explanation of the mechanisms by which such a thing could happen. No need for detail, just a general, plausible mechanism.

No such mechanism exists - it was pure space magic, and thus the ending committed a mortal fiction writing sin - changing genres right at the end. The Mass effect series was a science fiction series right up until the last moments, when the previously scifi universe suddenly got jerked right into fantasy land.

And THIS makes it just badly written and conceived, not somehow "deep" in a way that would somehow require "getting it".  An ending that inspires thought and lights up the imagination is great, but this ending tries to do so by violating everything about the story and the world it took place in, and thus dismally fails in this attempt, for anyone who notices how severe a break from the story this ending is.

And that's just one of the problems of the ending. In case you haven't seen it yet, here's the best explanation of what was wrong with the ending that I've seen:


[edit:] Just checked the OP's link, and realized that he's a proponent of the tired old indoctrination theory. I don't find that to be particularly appealing, because it depends on what is known as "anomaly hunting", a falacious tactic used by conspiracy theorists. I don't believe that ANY gaming company would take such a stupid risk as to release an incomplete ending on purpose, one that requires conspiracy-thinking to somehow decode from little hints into something approaching coherency. If IT was right, Bioware would have come out and said so right after the first person "figured it out", rather than let the dissatisfaction and anger towards them grow.

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 10 avril 2012 - 01:04 .

[RyuujinZERO]

slyguy200 wrote...

I am an IT believer and i am not a troll.

But thats exactly my point; they've gotten to you! - They think you're not a troll when in fact you are 

*gasp*

YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED




(See what i did there)

[FlashedMyDrive]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

I am an IT believer and i am not a troll.

But thats exactly my point; they've gotten to you! - They think you're not a troll when in fact you are 

*gasp*

YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED




(See what i did there)

Space magic.

[Grasich]

Oh look, he's in the denial stage.

Just give him time.

[kbct]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

I don't believe that ANY gaming company would take such a stupid risk as to release an incomplete ending on purpose, one that requires conspiracy-thinking to somehow decode from little hints into something approaching coherency. If IT was right, Bioware would have come out and said so right after the first person "figured it out", rather than let the dissatisfaction and anger towards them grow.

Agreed. Probably the strongest argument against the IT theory is simple business sense. It would be crazy to attempt from a business perspective. Plus, we now have evidence the ending suffered from budget and time constraints. Also, we know the ending wasn't vetted by the BioWare team.

IT theory is interesting, but it was not planned.

Modifié par kbct, 10 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[Gatt9]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

someone else wrote...

ah yes, this thread again...

Yeah, and once again the IT believer is skirting the issue of the Normandy; none of them will ever tell me what that scene is about (pro-tip: because it makes no god-damn sense, either in the IT hypothesis or literally)

Actually,  it does make sense.

The Reapers weren't attacking Earth.  Shepherd was indoctrinated,  and believing everyone opposing him was a Reaper.  Shepherd opened the gate for the real Reapers,  and the Normandy was trying to escape being on the front line in order to regroup. 

The relays were destroyed as part of the Reapers real plan to isolate the races and prevent a coordinated assault,  which they can later rebuild for the next cycle.

[JBONE27]

BillsVengenace wrote...

I didn't realize making something with the expressed intention of "[ripping off] the end of first Matrix" was considered art by any definition.

Really I thought it was ripping off the Architect scene from the second Matrix movie... although it was more out of place.

[JBONE27]

wolfwarp wrote...

 I have invested 50 hours on my first ME3 play through.  I have heard many people complain about the ending.  And said things like ME3 is 99% great but the ending sucks.  Because of such awareness, I would say that my 50 hours journey is somewhat dampened, knowing well that however much time I put into ME3, I would be disappointed.

Now that I have seen the endings (plural), I say BioWare has taken a huge risk in writing the final episode of one of the sci-fi greatest franchise.  If everyone was to get it at first, it would not have worked.  The first time I saw the ending, I did not get it.  I still like it, because it is different.  I pondered upon it and felt something is missing.  So read what others think and have another go with the ending again.

So, to those who are still progressing with the game, don't let what other say about the ME3 ending affects your play through (or affects your decision to purchase).  Have an open mind and do some online research thereafter.  Not here to defend the ending, or anything really.

PS. For those who think I am a BioWare fanboy, I am actually not.  I am still upset that DA:O patch 1.04 took forever to arrrive, and it did not fix the problem.  Or that DA2 game.  Or the fact that I have missed Arrival DLC and hence missing a crucial link between ME2 to ME3.  And Day 1 DLC ... and more.

Spoiler alert, this link explains -> 
 

That would be awesome, if IT were true, but unfortunately all signs (from outside the game), point to it being an idea they toyed with but didn't have the time or resourses to impliment.  I would love for Indoctronation to be true, but unfortunately, I'd give it a 15 to 20 percent chance of that being the explaination of the Expanded Ending.

[JXS nWp]

using deus ex machina as a valid plot device does not make the ending a piece of art
the ending is pretentious.
its trying to be artistic and clever when the reality is the vague message it sends serves only to confuse and leave no closure.
that isnt art, its poor writing

[Gatt9]

kbct wrote...

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

I don't believe that ANY gaming company would take such a stupid risk as to release an incomplete ending on purpose, one that requires conspiracy-thinking to somehow decode from little hints into something approaching coherency. If IT was right, Bioware would have come out and said so right after the first person "figured it out", rather than let the dissatisfaction and anger towards them grow.

Agreed. Probably the strongest argument against the IT theory is simple business sense. It would be crazy to attempt from a business perspective. Plus, we now have evidence the ending suffered from budget and time constraints. Also, we know the ending wasn't vetted by the BioWare team.

IT theory is interesting, but it was not planned.

Devils' Advocate...

-As a buisness plan,  it could have been regarded as genius,  if it had been handled properly.  That would've been the most epic plot twist in gaming,  and highly successful,  if EA had approached it correctly and not claimed this was the "End of the trilogy".  The intent was to generate a viral hype by having people wonder what happened with the cliffhanger ending,  but because people thought it was the absolute end,  it backfired.  If EA had announced earlier that they intended to continue ME,  and hadn't claimed this was the end of the story,  it likely would've worked.

-Our "Evidence" is a random person who posted things on a message board post-firestorm.  Assuming the poster was truthful,  do you think an EA employee would admit the intention to manipulate gamers into buying DLC through an incomplete ending at this point?  Or do you think he'd say "We ran out of time"...

-Especially considering they were using a pre-existing engine which significantly cuts development time,  and they had an extra 6 months.  It wasn't budget and time constraints.

[Eragondragonrider]

The Mass Effect ending is art, that is why we get blue, green, and red pretty colors when we make the last choice ever in the ME trilogy.

[TomY90]

if EA and Bioware did not state that IT IS NOT INDOCTRINATION then I would say genius writing on Bioware's front and would apologise for how upset I have been with them recently.

but they did state that and have been trying extremely hard to explain the ending without spoiling the clips in the summer or future DLC etc.