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[Cant Planet]

Reasons I consider dumb:
- they don't like Jessica Chobot, for whatever personal reasons they may have
- she's part of the gaming press, and therefore apparently collaborating with the evil games industry against the consumer
- IGN gave the game a good score as some sort of alleged tradeoff scheme
- the character design wasn't "attractive"

Reasons I relate to:
- the role of "embedded reporter" could have been filled by an already-established character, which could have added emotional continuity and complexity to the situation, especially if it was an in-game reporter with whom you already had an adversarial relationship
- she has become symbolic of "misspent resources" -- Bioware gave us a poorly photoshopped Tali, a lot of quest/subplot setups seem to have just been dropped partway through, etc., yet they put a lot of work into including Allers (a character nobody was clamoring for)
- many LI continuations were diminished or dropped, yet there's a romance arc for Allers
- the voiceover work just wasn't up to par with the rest of the cast
- combined with the toned-down sex scenes, it feels a bit like pandering to the young male demographic who want to see a real-life "hot nerdgirl" in a game, without pushing it so far that retailers will be pressured by parents' group not to sell the game or to have it rated for adults only
- (edit for late addition) her character was brand new and got a place on the Normandy, while Emily Wong was killed off via Twitter as a seeming afterthought
- (edit, from Paulomedi) the idea of having an embedded reporter was good in theory, but underutilized in practice
- (edit, from Greyfox84) using a real media figure to play an in-game media figure, especially one so closely modeled on the real-life person, does damage to the game's immersion factor / fourth-wall integrity

I think that about covers it, but if I missed anything maybe someone else will pop in to correct me.

Modifié par Cant Planet, 10 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[Bantz]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Tali fans are annoyed that she got an in-game model, while Tali's face is just a picture. About 90% of the annoyance over Tali's face would be gone if we actually saw her face in the model.

Id say that's probably closer to 50-60% I think most of us are pissed that it was a stock photo that got photoshopped and put in. Not only that it was a really weak change up just change the eyes to white and add some stripes. Just pathetic, especially when you think of all the great, great fan picks that are out there.

that and if it had been rendered in 3d that would be awesome. Especially when they had the perfect moment to reveal it. Instead they thought it would be "more memorable as a gift from tali"

[Demonhoopa]

Athlonis1 wrote...

Covered in other thread, but diana allers is seen (somewhat justifiably too) as wasted development resources that could have gone into things like... i dunno.... the ending. Or tali's face. The same applies to multiplayer as well.

That's it. Allers was the problem. Not the big red flag that was branching into multiplayer so EA could make tons of money attracting the COD, Halo crowd (and tons of DLC maps. ZOMG!).

But hey as long as they're making money, it doesn't matter that my shepard is forced to point her fricken weapon into the face of students at Grissom Academy since she can't even fricken holster her damn weapon any more. But hey, who cares about immersion, it's a shooter now.

And it's all apparently Allers fault.

Talk about a scape goat.

[Gill Kaiser]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

I've said this before, Bioware does not carry around a jar of resources. Removing a character who had 5 minutes spent on her character model will not make a better ending.

It could have made for an actual face for Tali, or a better fate for Emily Wong...

[TweedleDee66]

This is what bugs me about Allers.
http://social.biowar...170642#11186181 

Modifié par TweedleDee66, 10 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[MelancholyV]

I shall list my complaints in a neat and orderly fashion.

1. Her voice-acting is terrible, which I can understand because of Chobot's lack of VA experience. But Bioware did nothing about it, apparently.
2. Emily Wong and Al-Jilani were already successful and well-known reporter characters, but both were passed up in favor of a new one.
3. It feels like nothing but a favor to IGN.
4. Her character unimportant and has no reason to exist. Sometimes you might catch her mentioning the fact that she was a colony kid, or what happened with her home planet. However, most of the time it's easy to forget she's even on the Normandy at all, and you have to eavesdrop on her to get to know her. Barely.
5. Rather than using the resources to get Tali her own face model, or even trying to develop female alien models, they wasted it on her production.
6. She has no character development. Even Traynor, who is just Kelly's replacement, can be talked to frequently, makes her fair share of quips, and provides intel that shows her usefulness to Shepard directly. She has a connection to other major characters, such as EDI. Traynor felt more like part of the crew while Allers was a strange woman sitting in a corner of the Engineering deck. I've only ever caught her talking to Traynor. She never leaves her space.

[Anduin The Grey]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

I've said this before, Bioware does not carry around a jar of resources. Removing a character who had 5 minutes spent on her character model will not make a better ending.

That's a thought, I wonder if we had a swear jar just for the spoilers forum how much more they could do! =]

[TheTrueObelus]

Honestly I think the issue is she's just an average character in a game packed with amazing ones. She's really not bad and I didn't find Chobot's va work to be an issue. I just found her character very vanilla.

[Kajan451]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Calibrations Expert wrote...

I've said this before, Bioware does not carry around a jar of resources. Removing a character who had 5 minutes spent on her character model will not make a better ending.

It could have made for an actual face for Tali, or a better fate for Emily Wong...

Hey, you got to shoot udina. Who needs to see Talis face, or run into a scene with Emily on the Attacked Citadel, where you can opt to save her life or not. Like walking into a room where she is cornered by some guys using the opportunity to get back at her. Her calling out to Shepard and you being basically able to be like "Do i know you?" or even shooting her yourself.

That really would have been asking to much. Getting Allers actually was more important in the long run. Her presence really added something meaningful to the overall story.... wait... she is the robot chick, right?

[hero-of-konoha]

Diana Allers? Ah yes, we have dismissed that waste of air.

[Slayer299]

Diane Allers char was a waste of resources to put Chobot into ME3. Chobot's delivery was horrendous as the voice for Allers and she hadd no purpose other than getting IGN on board. If anything I was expecting either Emily Wong or Kalisah bint Sinan-Al-Jilani on the Normandy. Both were established from ME and ME2 and would have made better sense.

[Calibrations Expert]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Calibrations Expert wrote...

I've said this before, Bioware does not carry around a jar of resources. Removing a character who had 5 minutes spent on her character model will not make a better ending.

It could have made for an actual face for Tali, or a better fate for Emily Wong...

Yes, killing Emily via twitter is the only logical hate for Allers IMO,
but I do not understand the hate for Tali's face at all.

It looks fine. I don't care if they used a stock photo-whatever that is. They probably had her face imagined from ME1 anyway.

[mumwaldee369]

Oompa Loompa doopity do, I've got another riddle for you
What do you get when you cross Jersey Shore tan with an IGN hack?
I don't know, but she probably earned the role on her back.
Oompa Loompa....

[thinicer]

I didn't even know who Jessica Chobot was until after I played ME3 so I didn't have any preconceived notions about her, and I was not bothered at all by Allers, but I wasn't impressed by the character either. Just indifferent.

[Daedalus1773]

Horrible character, horrible voice acting. Character was dressed like a cheap jersey shore space ho. I actually lol'd when i first met the character she looked & sounded so bad. I thought for sure there'd be a renegade punch option.

Had no idea who Chobot was at the time, found out after i finished the game. She doesn't seem bad at all. But the Allers character added nothing to my game & seemed horribly out of place.

[inko1nsiderate]

The voice actress. Sounds like someone just reading lines off a page, or giving a newscast. Sure, that is great when you overhear the character giving newscasts but horrible when you are interacting with the character. I just can't kick her off the ship because she adds war assets, but I really want to.

[DJBare]

I have nothing against Jessica Chobot, I have everything against Allers, because I believe she is the reason Emily Wong was killed off in twitter, very poorly thought out way to introduce a new character.

[Bleachrude]

re: voice-acting

Her voice-acting isn't atrocious...We're not talking ME1's Martina Sirtis' Matriarch Benzenia here or the voice acting in Witcher 2...It's just bland...

[refuse81]

 1. Terrible VA
2. Boring character
3. This

[EugeneBi]

Scratcth. Sorry.

Modifié par EugeneBi, 10 avril 2012 - 12:54 .

[Nobrandminda]

 There are two big things:

1.  Jessica Chobot sounds bored out of her mind while delivering the dialog.  It's nowhere near the same quality as the other actors.

2.  Jessica Chobot works at IGN.  Prior to the Ending fiasco, this merely caused raised eyebrows, since the idea that IGN would give an objective review to a game that their own people were working on just seemed odd.  That fear was all but confirmed when IGN gave Mass Effect 3 a 9.5 and became fiercely aggressive towards the Retake movement.

Neither of these things are entirely her fault.  She has said herself that she's not much of a voice actor, and she apologized for calling Mass Effect fans "entitled" about the whole ending situation.

[Legendaryred]

Waste of resources man, i woujld've preferred Al-Jilani or Emily Wong, hell even Conrad Verner.

[Navasha]

For me, it was just terrible voice acting mostly. I mean, her character is almost painful to listen to in comparison to the rest of the cast.

[iSpider-Man]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Oompa Loompa doopity do, I've got another riddle for you
What do you get when you cross Jersey Shore tan with an IGN hack?
I don't know, but she probably earned the role on her back.
Oompa Loompa....

though its not why particularly dislike allers character

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