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[The Elite Elite]

Kileyan wrote...
Did you also destroy the Geth and the rachni? Just curious. If people are ready to essentially wipe out the Krogan race because they might cause a war, then why not wipe out other races as well that have a tendancy to become problematic in the past? What about them shifty Salarians, do they have a genophage solution or dooms day virus for every race? Ya know, kinda like the Reapers, nip it in the bud right now, just end them annoying races now, rather than having to deal with them when they are stronger.

I don't delude myself, I expect there is a real chance the Krogans might expand and cause a war. However, I can't bring myself to destroy a race who were meddled with and put in this situation in the first place. War comes we fight it:(  If we lose, we got what we deserved, who am I to choose who has the right to live or rule in the galaxy.

Thats how this whole series got started, some race of meddling know it alls, decided the best way to stop bad things from happening was to destroy things just in case bad things happened.

Who said anything about wiping out the Krogan? They are still very much alive with the genophage intact. The genophage is simply population control on a species with extremely violent tendancies. The Geth have proven that they don't need to be wiped out. Ever since the Quarians left their homeworld, the Geth have just been happy to sit in their little corner of the galaxy and leave everyone else alone. It's only the small faction of heretics that threatened others. As for the Rachni, with what limited knowledge Shepard would have at the point were you either kill or free the Queen, you know that the Rachni have had no history of peaceful relations with anyone else, so there's not a very strong argument for "let's release the queen from Noveria." Personally I'd leave her there and let the Council decide, but we aren't given that option.<_<

[genocidal villain]

Why is this a question? I would never want Wreav as leader of clan Urdnot I would go all the way back to ME1 and make sure Wrex lives. If I didn't have a choice I'm throwing the game away. I almost made the mistake of throwing away Maelon's data in ME2. If Eve died during the mission I would of taken out ME3 and put in ME2 and made sure she survived along with Wrex.

[january42]

Wrex is the man.

In ME2 he actually mentions something about how the genophage got the Krogan culturally used to controlling access to females and he would just continue that if the genophage was cured. I suppose that got dropped to make the choice vaguely interesting.

Wreav is a nitwit though. I'd rather have Grunt lead the Krogan.  (actually, if you could have had Grunt challenge Wreav with Shepard as his Krannt...that would have been awesome)

Modifié par january42, 10 avril 2012 - 01:56 .

[Deuterium_Dawn]

The Krogan are not fundamentally and irrevocably war-like any more than humanity is. Once upon a time, they had a thriving civilization. They came to a critical threshold and failed to cross it. We came very close to doing that ourselves many times over the course of the cold war. Should we all be forever neutered? In the aftermath, they did whatever it took to survive. Strength became the only thing that mattered. Then the Salarians(who apparently still haven't learned THEIR lesson, as they are now uplifting the Yahg) came along and used their aggressive tendencies and natural resilience to turn them into a blunt instrument against the Rachni, then acted all surprised when the Krogan eventually turned on them. It's like Mordin says, they should have been given a chance to work out their issues on their own and hopefully reestablish their culture. After the genophage any chance for that was essentially gone. There was no point in building for the future, there was no future. Now they have hope. There's no reason they can't forge a new path just as the Quarians and the Geth did.

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 10 avril 2012 - 02:09 .

[EnerPrime]

If the Krogan had won the rebellions, humanity's first contact would have been the Krogan learning of our existence one way or the other and wiping us out to take our planets. The krogan would have killed every other race in the galaxy. And most Krogan are resentful of the fact that the rest of the galaxy prevented them from doing it.

Assuming a Reapers-dead-galaxy-intact scenario, the fact is that the krogan are probably on their last chance with the rest of the galaxy. If Wrex and Bakara fail and the krogan wage war on the rest of the galaxy again, that will be the end of the krogan. It's very unlikley that the Turians, Salarians, Asari or now the Humans will hold back again.

Like Mordin said when talking about his genophage modifcations, it was genophage or genocide for the Krogan. If they try again, they won't get the genophage option. So while I'm willing to trust Wrex and Bakara (or only one of them) to try, I hope they realise their people won't get a third chance if they try to kill everyone again.

[shadowreflexion]

 Wrex has more of my trust from helping me in ME1 and for greeting me the way he did in ME2. He has more of my trust than Ashley and James combined. 

[Deuterium_Dawn]

EnerPrime wrote...

If the Krogan had won the rebellions, humanity's first contact would have been the Krogan learning of our existence one way or the other and wiping us out to take our planets. The krogan would have killed every other race in the galaxy. And most Krogan are resentful of the fact that the rest of the galaxy prevented them from doing it.

Assuming a Reapers-dead-galaxy-intact scenario, the fact is that the krogan are probably on their last chance with the rest of the galaxy. If Wrex and Bakara fail and the krogan wage war on the rest of the galaxy again, that will be the end of the krogan. It's very unlikley that the Turians, Salarians, Asari or now the Humans will hold back again.

Like Mordin said when talking about his genophage modifcations, it was genophage or genocide for the Krogan. If they try again, they won't get the genophage option. So while I'm willing to trust Wrex and Bakara (or only one of them) to try, I hope they realise their people won't get a third chance if they try to kill everyone again.

The genophage is genocide.Thousands of children stillborn so hopefully one will survive? Give me a break.

[alec1898]

I trust Wrex, but if he had died and Wreav was leader, I would have sabotaged the genophage.

[Ghostano]

I trust wrex and with eve I think they have a chance to keep things going in the right direction.

[TODD9999]

First, Wrex is my man, so I've never killed him.

If only Wrex was alive, I dunno. I believe that he has the best interests of the Krogan and the galaxy at heart, but I'm unsure about his ability to fully imprint his mindset onto that of the Krogan - he's a visionary, but he's still a battlemaster. I'd probably do it, though. If I saved the last Rachni queen, I can save the Krogan, too. There's a nice symmetry to that. With the addition of Bakara, I think they could do it, reform a society from a nihilistic warband into a culture that can thrive on all sorts of challenges, not merely those involving warfare.

Wreav and Bakara, it's a very close-run thing again. Bakara wants to repair Krogan culture, Wreav is just a slave to it. Who will win? Will Bakara be able to parlay her role as the "mother" to the Krogan to take control, or will Wreav and his chosen few just gun her down (or at the very least launch a civil war)? That's a tough call. I'd have to see all the dialogue going down that path to get a better feel for it.

[daisekihan]

With Wrex and Eve, I would absolutely trust them to create a peaceful Krogan civilization. Without both...problematic.

It's meaningless though, since Wrex or Wreave will end up trapped on Earth, and without effective leadership Tchunka will fall into chaos. Remember that nothing can even grow there --- what are they going to eat?

[A0170]

Yes, Wrex and Eve will keep the peace while building a new future for the Krogan. If it was Wreav however and Eve was dead, I really wouldn't know at that point.

[Nyila]

Wrex and Eve yes. Their offsprings and the rest of the Krogan, no.

[Alessar1288]

It's not the krogan's fault that the salarians are morons and decide to uplift races who aren't ready.

[sedrikhcain]

Jenuviel Jones wrote...

I trust Wrex implicitly. The trouble is that Wrex isn't going to live forever. Unless he and Bakara are able to radically shift the entire cultural outlook of the Krogan species during his reign, there's major trouble on the horizon. It would just take one warmonger to undo everything that had been accomplished. Once the Krogan set a course for expansion, everything falls apart. The odds definitely aren't in favor of a good outcome there, but odds never applied to Shepard until the end of the game, so who knows.

This, IMO, is the right thing to consider -- what happens after Wrex and Eve die. I still cure the genophage but I understand that this is a real concern. I don't have any reservations about trusting Wrex.

[Grasich]

Wrex is my second favorite character. Hell yes I trust him. He was like a brother to my Shepard.

If Wreav was in charge though, no way would I have cured the Genophage. Trash the data and save Mordin.

[The Charnel Expanse]

I trust Wrex implicitly.
But I also couldn't bring myself to murder Mordin, even with Wreav as the clan leader [I saved the genophage data in every playthrough].

[Jestina]

Wrex is sexy. Yes, he can be trusted.

[Ponei]

I trust Kalros.

[PRC_Heavy_Z]

Wrex is my homeboy son, can't deny that bromance on Tuchunka.

[Sifr]

I completely trust Wrex. He does what he thinks is right for the Krogan and under his rule, Tuchanka has become a much stabler place, so its clearly working.

On the other hand, he's incredibly hot blooded and prone to let his emotions influence his decisions on occasion (Virmire, Sur'kesh, The War Council). Thats why I trust Eve to be the one to kick him in the Quad if he gets out of line, she's a great influence on him and its clear that whenever she's around, Wrex checks himself to keep himself under control.

[Kileyan]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Kileyan wrote...
Did you also destroy the Geth and the rachni? Just curious. If people are ready to essentially wipe out the Krogan race because they might cause a war, then why not wipe out other races as well that have a tendancy to become problematic in the past? What about them shifty Salarians, do they have a genophage solution or dooms day virus for every race? Ya know, kinda like the Reapers, nip it in the bud right now, just end them annoying races now, rather than having to deal with them when they are stronger.

I don't delude myself, I expect there is a real chance the Krogans might expand and cause a war. However, I can't bring myself to destroy a race who were meddled with and put in this situation in the first place. War comes we fight it:(  If we lose, we got what we deserved, who am I to choose who has the right to live or rule in the galaxy.

Thats how this whole series got started, some race of meddling know it alls, decided the best way to stop bad things from happening was to destroy things just in case bad things happened.

Who said anything about wiping out the Krogan? They are still very much alive with the genophage intact.

Maybe I missed some info or just projected what I thought onto the scenario. I thought the instances of live births was getting worse as time went by. They were a dying species and were near zero growth. Sure we wouldn't actually shoot them all, we could just watch as attrition and time killed the last of them. Ya know, stand by and watch it happen while fully knowing we could fix it. Might as well shoot them all, at least get our hands dirty.

Either way, they deserved the chance to be as they should have been before the galaxy meddled with them for their own needs. It still comes off as wrong to wipe them out just because of what might happen in the future.

[Kamuchi]

Wrex > Salarian witch
Wrex&Eve > Anderson
Wrex dead < Salarians :x