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[EnerPrime]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

The genophage is genocide.Thousands of children stillborn so hopefully one will survive? Give me a break.

They are not quite the same thing. The genophage is a horrible thing indeed, but it was only killing the krogan because they refused to recognise that being really good fighters does not entitle them to killing everybody else and taking their stuff.

[Jenaimarre]

Betray Wrex? Wha- that's IMPOSSIBLE.

[Avalon Aurora]

I think I'd only go with Wrex and Eve together, Wrex is a bro, but he has a bit too much pride, and his opinion of other races is a bit on the dangerous side. Eve is great, but without support from someone like Wrex I doubt the can get the females to be more in charge, Wreav would mess up her work. With Wrex supporting Eve long enough for the females to take control under principles established by Eve, and with the ruins revealing more old Krogan history and helping their pride in that history, from before their self-induced nuclear fall, I think that the Krogan would be more able to adapt to Galactic society.

Unfortunately, in the long run, something may still be needed to control Krogan fertility, perhaps not as extreme as the Genophage, but they still breed too fast outside of their native environment. They either need to have learned self-control over such things comparable to the Salarians, or get a genophage variant that actually does the original purposes of reducing fertility, rather than causing freaky stillbirths and most Krogan being infertile (which encourages it to be bred out of a population as generations become more resistant anyway). Not sure how such things would go down. Either that, or you need virtually unlimited space for Krogan expansion without them taking over space of other races. Perhaps developments based on Quarian liveship technology to allow the Krogan to create an unlimited number of space-stations, or new terraforming technologies?

[N7 MACK]

I trust Wrex as a person, but not his species.

It's a shame I had to kill Mordin and Wrex, but they gave me no choice. I can't chance another Krogan Rebellion.

[Kileyan]

EnerPrime wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

The genophage is genocide.Thousands of children stillborn so hopefully one will survive? Give me a break.

They are not quite the same thing. The genophage is a horrible thing indeed, but it was only killing the krogan because they refused to recognise that being really good fighters does not entitle them to killing everybody else and taking their stuff.

They are the same thing. You seem to be saying that is isn't genocide because they deserve it. The genophage is genocide, something is wrong with it, more disease and infertility than intended. The Krogan are essentially a dead race as it stands before the cure.

Modifié par Kileyan, 10 avril 2012 - 03:07 .

[Cuddlezarro]

I trust wrex and eve (granted eve died in my main game)

but wreave? even with eve at his side lolno

[PsyrenY]

Wreav and Eve I cure it, Wreav is too stupid so he needs Eve.

[jdi_knght]

I trust Wrex's intentions. Eve adds some reassurance to that.

That said, it's pretty clear the Krogan's are going to want council representation, and look at humanity's struggle when it came to getting a council seat. I can't see them being quick to give a seat to the Krogan, and I can't see the Krogan being as patient/diplomatic as humans needed to be.

Imagine that the Krogan need more planets, but can't get the council seat to push for it. Normally we humans might be able to get Udina to push for them, but oh wait, Udina's gone and we have no idea who might replace him. So while Wrex may not push a revenge agenda, it's conceivable that it'll get to the point where he feels forced to take planets to support Krogan growth. That could mean war for someone. We basically have to hope that if it gets to that point, Eve is able to push for patience and diplomacy, willing to wait out the council.


There's also the chance Wrex could be KIA or get assassinated. And all bets are off at that point.


Either way, curing the genophage was probably the "right" thing to do. It might come back to bite us, but sometimes you have to be willing to do the right thing and trust that others will do the same. Beyond that, even if I didn't trust Wrex (and assumed revenge was inevitable), it's still a calculated risk I'd take. Reapers are an immediate and dangerous threat - Krogan aren't immediate and would likely be far less dangerous.

[The Elite Elite]

Kileyan wrote...
Maybe I missed some info or just projected what I thought onto the scenario. I thought the instances of live births was getting worse as time went by. They were a dying species and were near zero growth. Sure we wouldn't actually shoot them all, we could just watch as attrition and time killed the last of them. Ya know, stand by and watch it happen while fully knowing we could fix it. Might as well shoot them all, at least get our hands dirty.

Either way, they deserved the chance to be as they should have been before the galaxy meddled with them for their own needs. It still comes off as wrong to wipe them out just because of what might happen in the future.

Replay ME2 and talk up Mordin a lot. He makes it clear that over time the Krogan were overcoming the effects of the genophage. This is why he was tasked to alter the genophage, so as to counteract the Krogan adapting to it. Mordin tells us that he worked hard to make sure the genophage worked in such a way as to prevent the Krogan population from expanding, but also to make sure it didn't fall either. Make sure it allows enough births to keep the Krogan from dying out.

And as for whether the Krogan would have changed from being so war-like and aggressive if the Salarians hadn't uplifted them is irrelevant. The Salarians did uplift them when they were not yet ready as a race to step up into the galactic community. Curing the genophage isn't going to change that.

Modifié par The Elite Elite, 10 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

[Delta-62]

Wrex was my right hand in the fight against Sovereign, beyond that hes trust worthy to a fault, he never lies or uses subversion. His intentions and motivations are crystal clear and sitting on the table for you to see. Even without Eve I would trust him with the cure, with Eve its even better.

I admit while I trust Wrex and Grunt, their are few other Krogan I trust. However with Eve at his side I think we have a much greater chance for future Krogan generations being... well less blood thirsty.

[jumpingkaede]

Bleachrude wrote...

 It's safe to say that the genophage debate isn't as heated as the quarian/geth decision...

So far it seems like if you have Wrex and Eve alive, everyone  picks to save the cure...

While if it is just Wreav and eve dead, everyone sabotages the cure...

So, here's my question..

What do you do if it is just Wrex OR Wreave and Eve?

Cured the Genophage the first time because I trusted Wrex.  (Wouldn't trust Wreav at all that guy is bloodthirsty as all get out.)

Now since I know Wrex will probably die on Earth, I'll fake it and let Mordin live.  Good ol' Mordin.  No sense in him giving his life needlessly to save a planet that  I won't care about anymore.  That way, whatever "galactic dark age" or whatno happens after that ending, it'll be an ending where Mordin is alive.  Possibly.

[idunhavaname]

I trust Wrex 100%. What I am concern with is what will happen after he's dead from old age.

[Zix13]

Wrex is the only krogan I'd trust to take a ****** without killing someone. If he's dead you better not be curing the genophage.

[ZombieChad]

I trust that Wrex will push for what will benefit the Krogan. Eve I trust to keep him in check when he's getting out of hand. Wreav I'd trust as far as I could throw him.

[teh_shrapnel]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

I would trust Wrex without Eve, I don't trust wreav with or without eve.

Agreed! I wouldn't doubt Wrex.

[goofyomnivore]

I trust Eve.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Wrex has always been straight forward about his goals, if he says he'll keep the Krogan in line I trust him.

[Zix13]

Kileyan wrote...

EnerPrime wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

The genophage is genocide.Thousands of children stillborn so hopefully one will survive? Give me a break.

They are not quite the same thing. The genophage is a horrible thing indeed, but it was only killing the krogan because they refused to recognise that being really good fighters does not entitle them to killing everybody else and taking their stuff.

They are the same thing. You seem to be saying that is isn't genocide because they deserve it. The genophage is genocide, something is wrong with it, more disease and infertility than intended. The Krogan are essentially a dead race as it stands before the cure.

Only because they kill each other for ****s n giggles. 

[Drenick18]

the only problem is if Wrex dies, then there won't be any reasonable Krogans alive. reasonable Krogans are a minority.

but then again he's Wrex, he won't die. so yeah, I trust Wrex.

[Anyroad2]

Wrex is BFFs with my Shepard, just like Garrus is.
I'd trust either of them with anything.

Without Wrex I'd sabotage the cure, even if Eve is still alive and well. I doubt shed have enough pull to keep the Krogan in line.

Modifié par Anyroad2, 10 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[Sohlito]

Yes. Wrex is my boi. But aside from that he has always held different ideals than most Krogan. I think his time aboard the Normandy SR1 with Shepard really brought that to light. When he returned to Tuchanka he saw it as an opportunity to slowly enact his radical ideals. Under his leadership the Krogan have a real chance at redemption.

Wreav on the other hand, is an ass. I was all to happy to lie to him and convince Mordin to let the Krogan remain neutered.

[FS3D]

Wrex is smart for a krogan, and knows how to keep his temper in check. He also shares power with Eve, something I doubt Wreav would do (I don't know, I haven't done a playthrough with him in charge yet).

Plus it was obvious from game 1 that he has a sense of honour. He handed over his fee to Shep for killing Fist (if you did it before having Wrex join your squad).

That's pretty trustworthy for a Krogan.

Wreav on the other hand is an opportunist who wants to maintain the status quo.

Modifié par FS3D, 10 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[legionaireshen]

Wrex is just one krogan, overpopulation eventually leads to war.
You cant prevent rebellion when one krogan give birth to 1000 in a year, and there are already billions of them on tuchanka

[The Interloper]

Because Wrex is a bro and Wreave is a ho. Rribble person.