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[mattp516]

Here's the terrible thing.... in spite of the turd of an ending.. ME3 is still the best game. Maybe not the best story (though there were some AMAZING moments in there), but the gameplay and story together definitely make it the best overall in my book.

Though the ending still sucks.

[Ashtarth1]

 The first Mass Effect is my favorite.

[OgFux69]

How can you people really like that combat system from ME3?

ME2's was nothing but perfect for me. If only the second game had those weapon customization options and skill tree from the third...

[PsyrenY]

mattp516 wrote...

Here's the terrible thing.... in spite of the turd of an ending.. ME3 is still the best game. Maybe not the best story (though there were some AMAZING moments in there), but the gameplay and story together definitely make it the best overall in my book.

Though the ending still sucks.

This. I don't hate the ending quite as much as some but everything before that was 120% perfect.

[Trentgamer]

ME 1 story was excellent but the gameplay is terrible compared to 2 and 3.

[TODD9999]

ME1 was good, but between the awful and nearly pointless inventory, that damn Mako, and the somewhat bleh combat, I don't like it the best. It did an excellent job of introducing us to the setting and core concepts of the game, and was an overall good game despite those issues.

I enjoyed ME2 the most. The improved combat, the multitude of characters that gave you many interesting views into the setting, the streamlined inventory (yes, I'm listing it as a positive), the reflections of your actions in the previous game, I found it all to be very enjoyable.

ME3, I'm still a bit too close to to give a good and full examination of. Combat was better, good sense of urgency to the story as a whole, however the game was a bit linear and closed to exploration. Characters were presented unevenly. And the ending sums up a fair number of flaws with the game.

[Noatz]

I don't see how you can say ME1 was the best game of the series. I mean objectively it isn't as good for a number of reasons.

Good things about ME1
>It had the strongest plot of the three
>It had the deepest character advancement.

Not so good things about ME1
>Combat was dull.
>Controls were awkward.
>Character writing was weaker than the next two games, though this is more a comment on how superlative this has been in 2 and 3 than ME1's being "bad".
>Repetitive sidequests with little environmental variation. The backdrops used for the planets you explore were often startlingly beautiful, but the planets themselves were just someone randomising a terrain generator, to say nothing of the sidequest dungeons.

Of the three I would say I had most fun with ME3 until the end, which spoils it enough for me to go with 2 as my favourite. 2's plot wasn't particularly compelling but the character writing took a huge leap forward and the gameplay was fun in its own riught (if a bit too simple). Plus the M920 Cain...

3 would be hands down the best if it had a proper ending. Have to emphasise that.

[CapnManx]

Yep.  I've played ME1 a half dozen times, and I've only had it a year.

3 is ok, but not great.  I've played it twice now; but I don't think I'll be doing it again for a while.

I didn't like 2 much at all.  I didn't like that most of the game was just recruiting for the handful of missions that actually mattered.  I didn't much like the changes to gameplay.  I didn't like the removal of so many of the RPG elements.  I really didn't like the planetary exploration being taken away (Firewalker doesn't count; it was too... gamey).

[IntoTheDarkness]

Noatz wrote...

I don't see how you can say ME1 was the best game of the series. I mean objectively it isn't as good for a number of reasons.

Good things about ME1
>It had the strongest plot of the three
>It had the deepest character advancement.

Not so good things about ME1
>Combat was dull.
>Controls were awkward.
>Character writing was weaker than the next two games, though this is more a comment on how superlative this has been in 2 and 3 than ME1's being "bad".
>Repetitive sidequests with little environmental variation. The backdrops used for the planets you explore were often startlingly beautiful, but the planets themselves were just someone randomising a terrain generator, to say nothing of the sidequest dungeons.

Of the three I would say I had most fun with ME3 until the end, which spoils it enough for me to go with 2 as my favourite. 2's plot wasn't particularly compelling but the character writing took a huge leap forward and the gameplay was fun in its own riught (if a bit too simple). Plus the M920 Cain...

3 would be hands down the best if it had a proper ending. Have to emphasise that.

Because strong plots are what motivate players to enjoy the game?

Give me the best plot ever told in video games, I will enjoy tetris gameplay for 20 hours just to see what's going to unfold in the story. On the other hand... ME3's openning lacked a proper explanation needed for narrative integrity. I just couldn't enjoy that good game play aspect of ME3.

[Element Zero]

I just finished ME, earlier this evening, and started ME2. All three games have their advantages.

I agree the overall story of ME is the best of the series. I loved the Mako, personally, but definitely could do with a bit less. The three main "quests"--Noveria, Feros and Virmire, are all good. Virmire is the best 90 minutes in the history of gaming, for me. The end is so good, that I sat there grinning like an idiot, despite having completed this game dozens of times.

ME2 had great gameplay, was great looking, and cleaned up most of ME's issues. The characters were incredible. It was very disappointing that they weren't more involved in ME3. The Suicide Mission is an incredible capstone. It varies in many tiny ways, based upon decisions made throughout the game. It ended the way ME3 should've ended.

ME3 is a good game. It's combat mechanics are top notch. It has a great armor and weapons system. The roleplaying felt constrained by the need to bring the story to completion. I didn't always feel like I was in control of Shepard. The eavesdrop method of quest introduction was lame. At least make me talk to them. The game was glitchy, felt incredibly rushed, and fell apart as Thessia ended.

I guess I'd rate the games ME2>ME>ME3, with the first two games being very close. ME3 will always be, unfortunately, a case of "what might have been", for me.

[McCredie64]

Optimystic_X wrote...

mattp516 wrote...

Here's the terrible thing.... in spite of the turd of an ending.. ME3 is still the best game. Maybe not the best story (though there were some AMAZING moments in there), but the gameplay and story together definitely make it the best overall in my book.

Though the ending still sucks.

This. I don't hate the ending quite as much as some but everything before that was 120% perfect.

Was it?

Sure it had great cutscenes and amazing action experiences, but aside from the deaths of Legion, Mordin and Thane, what great emotional content was there in this game? I didn't explore into the backstory or personalities of ANY of the characters, which in turn failed to make me care about them as much as I did in Mass Effect 2, for instance.

The decisions made in previous games paid off very poorly in my opinion (Rachni and Collector Base especially), they were just monetized and counted for very little when considering the game as a whole.

The romances were disapointing to say the least.

So what made this game 120% perfect in your opinion?

Modifié par McCredie64, 10 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[Tovanus]

Grasich wrote...


Pros for each:
ME1 has the most (at least illusion of) control over the dialogue.
ME1 has the best squad makeup (imo).
ME1 has the best antagonist (Saren is a perfect anti-Shepard)
ME1 portrayed the Reapers as unimaginable horrors, which I quite liked.
ME1 had the most and best choices. (imo)

ME2 had loyalty missions, which I liked, but there were too many.
ME2 had the suicide mission, which was fantastic, but should have been in the 3rd game (too many variables for the second game, which taxed their resources in the 3rd.)
ME2 had the best DLC (Overlord and LotSB are INCREDIBLE)
ME2 had the best graphical art style (imo)
ME2 had the most hubs.

ME3 had the best combat.
ME3 had the best weapon/armor system
ME3 had the best written dialogue (However the lack of options here, or at least the lack of the illusion of options, really hampers this for me.)

Cons for each:

ME1 had the worst combat.
ME1 Oh god the inventory system.
ME1 Oh god the Mako.
ME1's dialogue was a bit awkward at times.
ME1 had the worst graphics.

ME2 didn't touch on the main plot enough (good plot, but left too much for the 3rd game to do)
ME2 didn't have Liara as a squadmate (Liara fanboi, very sad.)
ME2 forced us to work for/with Cerberus (important to the plot yadayada. I didn't like it.)

ME3 had almost no illusion of choice in dialogue, and really forced emotions and opinions down our throats.
ME3 had the dream sequences... HATED these.
ME3 undid a lot of our choices, or made them irrelevant.
ME3 had the damn fetch quests.
ME3 had Kai Leng... I can't stand any scene he appears in save the one you get to finally kill him.
ME3 from Thessia and on felt horribly rushed.
ME3 The endings... THE ENDING. GOD DAMNIT.

Anyway.

It's pretty close for me between ME1 and ME2, but ME1 had the better plotline and had Liara as a squadmate (easily my favorite character), and frankly I've never played ME for the gameplay, it was always about the plot, the characters, and the world. ME1 does the plot and characters best (imo at least), ME2 does the world the best.

Overall, I give ME1 first place, with ME2 a close second. ME3... let's just pretend it never happened.

I feel like this is a pretty good list. I will say though that while I enjoyed ME 1's plot the most, my favorite character is Mordin Solus, so he comes close to tipping the balance.

I also have to say about the dream sequences that I feel like I could have enjoyed these, if instead of having the kid, they had used your dead squad member from Virmire, and gotten to talk with that dead squad member in the dream. I feel like that could have hit long-time players hard, and given short-term players a nice sense of the length of the series and how far back Shepard goes.

Couldn't stand the Cerberus plot in ME 2. It especially irked me because my background was "sole survivor" and Shepard barely even mentions Akuze. In fact, the one time he DOES mention it, I'm not sure the sole survivor background actually affects anything - he just kind of lists the Akuze incident as one of many bad things Cerberus did (and you know that he learned of it from Corporal Toombs even if he didn't have it in his own background).

Modifié par Tovanus, 10 avril 2012 - 02:12 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I played through ME1 and did Therum, then did Feros, then did a bunch of the side quests. Then did Noveria, Virmire, Ilos > end. If you do it like that it's great. If you play around with a bunch of sidequests after Noveria, or do Virmire, then ****** around before Noveria the game loses its sense of the "Race Against Time". I felt the pacing in ME2 was better. While I like sandbox games, having a quest called Race Against Time that you can complete at your leisure is not appropriately titled.

[RedTail F22]

I liked Mass Effect 2 the best for its characters, loyalty missions, and to a lesser degree gameplay. But ME1 is not to far behind because it does have a better overall story.

I refuse to accept ME3 as part of the Mass Effect series seeing how it makes playing the first 2 games pointless.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

I thought 99% or ME3 was the best game in the trilogy. Most exciting and emotional.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 10 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[McCredie64]

Tovanus wrote...

I also have to say about the dream sequences that I feel like I could have enjoyed these, if instead of having the kid, they had used your dead squad member from Virmire, and gotten to talk with that dead squad member in the dream. I feel like that could have hit long-time players hard, and given short-term players a nice sense of the length of the series and how far back Shepard goes.

Now THIS would have been interesting. I wanted to kill that kid and the way that Bioware forced him down my throat. What if Shepard was a renegade who had seen several of his closest friends die in combat? I doubt one child's death would affect this kind of Shepard so greatly. I hated how despite the way we had shaped our Shepard's personality to be, every Shepard reacted the same to a.) the child and b.) the fall of Thessia.

These sequences and what followed them should have taken into account our Paragon/Renegade scores or something...

[Lyrandori]

ME1: Best for overall story and atmosphere.
ME2: Best for characters-specific story-telling.
ME3: Best colors.

ME1 overall, is the best.

[PistolPete7556]

I liked ME1 from Virmire on. My favorite is ME2, because I love the whole game, whilst ME1 and ME3 have parts that I'm not super keen on

[Arakim]

I didn't want to like ME2 the most. Being forced to work for TIM really chapped my hide. But it had, for me, the best character developement, and had the the best ending, in the fact that you really controlled how the ending happened.

ME1 still is my favorite cut-scenes for the battle of the Citadel onward.

[SuperVulcan]

Yes! I can't stop playing it!

[Purple People Eater]

ME1 has the best self contained story of the three games, and it feels larger in scope, but its game play leaves a lot to be desired when compared with ME2, and especially ME3.

[Qutayba]

ME1 had the best "macro-story." it was tight and focused. In many ways, it was the most sci-fi - it evoked the vast and harsh emptiness of space and portrayed a humanity way out of its league.

ME2 had some of the richest characters. Their "micro-stories" were awesome, even if the quantity of squadmates and their missions diluted the impact of the central plot. But it was the most "generous" of the series because of the richness and number of settings. The music and action was pulse-pumping.

ME3 tried to go back to a tighter, more focused story, and succeeded there, I think. While there were some improvements in the gameplay mechanics, the combat felt more defensive and slow to me - more hordes to fend off than enemies to storm. And despite the tighter focus, the main story made leaps of logic at times - as we know too well.

I think I like 1&2 best, but for different reasons. 3 was solid, but had the potential to blow the first two away.

[Ghostano]

For me I like ME1 the most. As it stands now I can play it and just take it's ending as a cliff hanger I will never get the answer to.

[GreenDragon37]

 Yep. To me, Mass Effect 1 remains the best in the trilogy.