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[moonlightwolf]

I'm guessing it had more 'religion' in it than EA could handle, most games publishers seem to want to steer as far away from that as possible.

[Papa John0]

Probably cut just due to time constraints. A real shame, would like to see Ash's character better fleshed out in 3.

[Naturewind]

This was just the question I wanted to ask my shepard : /

[nupfi]

Maybe this scene can be added in the upcomind dlc? Please? :3

[Delaney]

nupfi wrote...

Maybe this scene can be added in the upcomind dlc? Please? :3

plus the whole Anderson scene on the Citadel!

[xconceptualx]

Rath111 wrote...

There is no life after death Ash. You just die and that's it. Well, in for Shep he just came back. So, for him it just went black and then he "woke up" when coming back to life.

I don't think the scene is necessarily implying that there is no life after death. Shepard simply doesn't remember or have any recollection of the time between being spaced and waking up in the Cerberus lab.

I think the most interesting aspect of the scene is Shepard's fear that he may not be the same person now as the one that died two years ago. That's the deeper and more troubling issue.

[Accelfaiz]

xconceptualx wrote...

Rath111 wrote...

There is no life after death Ash. You just die and that's it. Well, in for Shep he just came back. So, for him it just went black and then he "woke up" when coming back to life.

I don't think the scene is necessarily implying that there is no life after death. Shepard simply doesn't remember or have any recollection of the time between being spaced and waking up in the Cerberus lab.

I think the most interesting aspect of the scene is Shepard's fear that he may not be the same person now as the one that died two years ago. That's the deeper and more troubling issue.

troubling but also more compelling from a storytelling
standpoint. i think they missed an opportunity to explore whether what i have
at least seen fans discuss is the possibility that the post-me2 shepard may be
just a very fancy recreation and not the original. One of my friends had even
suggested that a far more interesting final twist in the story would have been
that rather than starchild telling us the “truth” about reapers but if we
actually get a reaper made from the original shepard giving us the details. This
could have led to a very interesting argument between the two regarding life
and freedom, they could even have had a video-gamey brawl at the end between
the two with the choices you made during the course of the game acting as
proverbial ammo for each verbal/physical counterattack our shepard makes against the reaper one

Modifié par Accelfaiz, 13 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Kushan101]

Why are we finding so much decent stuff that was cut? I dont understand why it would be made only to be cut out again.
Same for the Anderson ending scene - I don't understand the thinking behind cutting decent scenes and leaving the ending (and more importantly: starchild), behind intact. Makes no sense.

[xconceptualx]

Accelfaiz wrote...

xconceptualx wrote...

Rath111 wrote...

There is no life after death Ash. You just die and that's it. Well, in for Shep he just came back. So, for him it just went black and then he "woke up" when coming back to life.

I don't think the scene is necessarily implying that there is no life after death. Shepard simply doesn't remember or have any recollection of the time between being spaced and waking up in the Cerberus lab.

I think the most interesting aspect of the scene is Shepard's fear that he may not be the same person now as the one that died two years ago. That's the deeper and more troubling issue.

troubling but also more compelling from a storytelling
standpoint. i think they missed an opportunity to explore whether what i have
at least seen fans discuss is the possibility that the post-me2 shepard may be
just a very fancy recreation and not the original. One of my friends had even
suggested that a far more interesting final twist in the story would have been
that rather than starchild telling us the “truth” about reapers but if we
actually get a reaper made from the original shepard giving us the details. This
could have led to a very interesting argument between the two regarding life
and freedom, they could even have had a video-gamey brawl at the end between
the two with the choices you made during the course of the game acting as
proverbial ammo for each verbal/physical counterattack our shepard makes against the reaper one

That would certainly make for an interesting finale. But I do think that Shepard is the same Shepard that died, insofar as the two share the same body. Whether or not the two minds are one and the same is the question. Think of it like this: if you were to step into a teletransporter like the ones used in the Star Trek universe (where the positions and velocities of all the particles constituting your body are mapped and then reconfigured at another point in space), would you survive the process? My immediate intuition tells me I would not, and there are a number philosophical arguments I could give that would support this intuition. The person that was teletransported would think he was me, say that he remembers being teletransported, etc., but I still don't think that it would be me as I am at this moment.

Shepard is in essentially the same position here. As Jacob says in Mass Effect 2, she was nothing but "meat and tubes", meaning that there was really nothing left of her when Cerberus recovered her body. Almost everything had to be rebuilt/revived. If I were Shepard, I would be in the middle of an existential meltdown ever since waking up. Though I think she is more troubled with the possibility of being a clone, or having false memories or beliefs. If you've ever seen the movie Solaris with George Clooney, think about the way his wife behaves after coming into existence again on the spacestation after being dead for however many years.

Sorry for rambling, but problems of personal identity is a favorite topic of mine. :happy:

Modifié par xconceptualx, 13 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[Papa John0]

I think it's definitely the same Shepard. I figured the scene was removed rather than edited simply because it gives emotions to your Shepard that aren't necessarily there in the player. It sort of removes the "blank slate" of Shepard that allows the player to project themselves onto the character. That said, I think the scene is incredibly valuable. Maybe a slight rewrite would do the trick, not having Shepard state any emotion unless chosen so by the player ("I'm scared."/ "I feel like me."/ "I'm better than ever" on the dialogue wheel).

Anyway, Ash's character development could really use this seen.

[TheMyron]

The scenes existence would explain why she said, "Shut up and kiss me", even though it looked like she was doing all the talking.