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[Iakus]

The Interloper wrote...

Assuming you could choose your responses in this, good scene. They shouldn't have cut it.

Looks like you could answer "I don't know what I saw" or "I don't remember anything"

[Dawson14]

I went through phases in the Mass Effect series loving her and then hating her, with eventually hating her in ME3, however, that was a pretty awesome scene. I have no idea why it got cut!

[goofyomnivore]

Ash needed more Normandy dialogue/interaction. Shame this got cut. I guess it would be too much to hope for stuff like this, Anderson's dialogue, etc being added in on the extended cut.

Modifié par strive, 10 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Iakus]

Star fury wrote...

If this scene is real, that's very intriguing. Much much better than "I'd never forgive for not writing me when you were dead".

Scene's real.  It was from one of the script leaks.

[gbemery]

Probably got deleted if it was real because it would interfere with the whole Ash trying to come to terms with understanding if she could trust Shep and that he/she wasn't controlled by Cerberus. Its kind of hard to say you could if the person you are trying to trust doesn't even know or shows signs that you might be right not to trust them.

[Iakus]

But if it's after she's out of the hospital then it's likely after the coup, when she already trusts Shepard. She's comfortable enough around Shepard now to ask a very personal question

[SamT3N7]

I think giving us an option for the response would be nice:

I would have liked a conversation like this where you talked to your LI and you were given the dialogue options that could support your beliefs. Something like:

There was something.

I can't remember.

There was nothing.

There was something."There was... something. I felt happy, warm and safe. While I'm not planning to go back there anytime soon... I'm not afraid and I'm at peace. I'm prepared to make this galaxy a better place before I go back."

I can't remember."All I really remember was drifting out in space and feeling my lungs burn as I ran out of oxygen. I-I just can't remember if there was something between my death and me waking up in that Cerberus facility. I can't dwell on it. We need to worry about life as oppose to the afterlife."

There was nothing."There's nothing. I'm sorry if I'm blunt, but that's all there is. It may not be much comfort, but it just makes what we're fighting for that much more important. We're fighting for everything we have. For what we will only have. We will make this galaxy a better place for us and for all those who have yet to be born."

 


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Modifié par SamT3N7, 10 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[RogueBot]

jumpingkaede wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

It's possible they cut it due to the "afterlife" being a sensitive subject to a lot of people, but I doubt it.

I thought Bioware forgot how to write Ashley's character, but they just left the good stuff out.

Ashley and Shep talk about the afterlife all the time in ME1.

Well, they discussed religion a lot, but only mentioned the afterlife once IIRC, when Ash talked about her dad "watching over her." 

Anyway, what I mean is that discussing it hypothetically in ME1 is different from Shepard saying that he experienced no afterlife after being dead for 2 years.

But I doubt that's why it was cut anyway. I don't think many people would be offended.

[JasonDaPsycho]

It might cause a controversy regarding religious beliefs. I don't mind personally.

[Iakus]

SamT3N7 wrote...

I think giving us an option for the response would be nice:

I would have liked a conversation like this where you talked to your LI and you were given the dialogue options that could support your beliefs. Something like:

There was something.

I can't remember.

There was nothing.

There was something."There was... something. I felt happy, warm and safe. While I'm not planning to go back there anytime soon... I'm not afraid and I'm at peace. I'm prepared to make this galaxy a better place before I go back."

I can't remember."All I really remember was drifting out in space and feeling my lungs burn as I ran out of oxygen. I-I just can't remember if there was something between my death and me waking up in that Cerberus facility. I can't dwell on it. We need to worry about life as oppose to the afterlife."

There was nothing."There's nothing. I'm sorry if I'm blunt, but that's all there is. It may not be much comfort, but it just makes what we're fighting for that much more important. We're fighting for everything we have. For what we will only have. We will make this galaxy a better place for us and for all those who have yet to be born."

 


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Looking at the scene, there seemed to be two options:

"I saw something but I don't know what it was"
"I don't recall seeing anything"

[Icesong]

SamT3N7 wrote...

I think giving us an option for the response would be nice:

I would have liked a conversation like this where you talked to your LI and you were given the dialogue options that could support your beliefs. Something like:

There was something.

I can't remember.

There was nothing.

There was something."There was... something. I felt happy, warm and safe. While I'm not planning to go back there anytime soon... I'm not afraid and I'm at peace. I'm prepared to make this galaxy a better place before I go back."

I can't remember."All I really remember was drifting out in space and feeling my lungs burn as I ran out of oxygen. I-I just can't remember if there was something between my death and me waking up in that Cerberus facility. I can't dwell on it. We need to worry about life as oppose to the afterlife."

There was nothing."There's nothing. I'm sorry if I'm blunt, but that's all there is. It may not be much comfort, but it just makes what we're fighting for that much more important. We're fighting for everything we have. For what we will only have. We will make this galaxy a better place for us and for all those who have yet to be born."

 


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I hate all of those. :happy: For the "There was nothing" there's no need to jump into the reason for why we fight which is a separate issue entirely, and there's also no reason to conclude that because there was nothing there is nothing. Would lose the "I'm sorry" too .  The "I don't remember" shouldn't have the hesitant "I-I" and also shouldn't superfluously add what we should or shouldn't be worrying about, which is also a separate issue. "There was something" is the least bothersome to me, but I wouldn't add what you felt like to it.

[Doom Lich]

I think the problem is that Shepherds statements pretty blatantly defy some religions. Why did he not remember heaven, he spent two years there, ect.

I think it's deep and touching, but the extreme would call it offensive, and they have that right. I don't know about something that blatantly defies religion in a game that's supposed to represent our future.

But that's just the opinion of your friendly neighborhood devil's advocate. Even as an atheist, I can see the issue with bringing this up.

[tenojitsu]

$5 bet says its included in some sort of DLC in the future

[SamT3N7]

iakus wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

I think giving us an option for the response would be nice:

I would have liked a conversation like this where you talked to your LI and you were given the dialogue options that could support your beliefs. Something like:

There was something.

I can't remember.

There was nothing.

There was something."There was... something. I felt happy, warm and safe. While I'm not planning to go back there anytime soon... I'm not afraid and I'm at peace. I'm prepared to make this galaxy a better place before I go back."

I can't remember."All I really remember was drifting out in space and feeling my lungs burn as I ran out of oxygen. I-I just can't remember if there was something between my death and me waking up in that Cerberus facility. I can't dwell on it. We need to worry about life as oppose to the afterlife."

There was nothing."There's nothing. I'm sorry if I'm blunt, but that's all there is. It may not be much comfort, but it just makes what we're fighting for that much more important. We're fighting for everything we have. For what we will only have. We will make this galaxy a better place for us and for all those who have yet to be born."

 


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Looking at the scene, there seemed to be two options:

"I saw something but I don't know what it was"
"I don't recall seeing anything"

Whenever there's an * by a line of dialogue I think that means the player made a choice and that response is different or something.  Looking through some of the other stuff in the script it would appear that they don't indicate player choice, it's just one line after another.  Finding where Shepard makes the choice in the conversation or whether Shepard makes a choice at all is difficult to tell.  Here's the link to the full script: https://docs.google....#h.ku1b29dvef3b  

EDIT: Nevermind, It would appear that the >>> indicates player choice.  I wouldn't rule out you don't get a choice in the conversation but it would seem weird if we have no control over Shepard in this kinda conversation.

Modifié par SamT3N7, 10 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[CroGamer002]

WHY WAS THIS CUT?!

[harrier25699]

This gets left out and the starchild gets let in?!

[thefallen2far]

That was an awesome scene.

[january42]

Doom Lich wrote...

I think the problem is that Shepherds statements pretty blatantly defy some religions. Why did he not remember heaven, he spent two years there, ect.

I think it's deep and touching, but the extreme would call it offensive, and they have that right. I don't know about something that blatantly defies religion in a game that's supposed to represent our future.

But that's just the opinion of your friendly neighborhood devil's advocate. Even as an atheist, I can see the issue with bringing this up.

Hard to see it offending anyone, as Shepard doesn't remember anything. At least, hard to see it offending anyone worse than the homosexual romances. Chobots voice acting is more offensive.

Hmmm, maybe Shepard want to Hell? That would explain the starchild dreams...

[Vexille]

Unless the characters name is "Liara" you cant have interesting scenes...

[DevilBeast]

Lyrandori wrote...

Wow ok.

You know what, I had imagined that exact kind of question coming from Liara in my own head canon. In some of my own scripts, I have Liara asking Shepard questions about human religions coming from an earlier discussion about Ashley (my canon Shepard saved Kaidan on Virmire and Ashley died of course). Liara knew that Ashley was a religious person, and she (Liara) is curious, she wants to know what Shepard specifically thought of religion in general.

After some time during the discussion Liara does come up with the question: « Tell me, Shepard, do you remember anything from before you woke up at the Cerberus labs? », my Shepard replies « I remember being spaced out, air leaking out of my helmet, lots of pain and couldn't breath, I was panicking... », then Liara asks « My mother always spoke about a supposed light, I think humans also refer to something similar when they speak of near-death experiences », to which Shepard replies « I can't remember anything about a light but... it's vague, I'm not sure, I think I heard voices, it might have been the personnel at the Cerberus labs »

Anyway, I find it amazing that out of coincidence I made a discussion around the same subject (after-life, what Shepard saw or can remember, etc). I guess that fan-fiction isn't necessarily always that far from what the writer(s) at BioWare can sometimes think about. In any case, they should have kept that scene.

Hmm.. Sounds interesting. Maybe you could include some of the asari´s main belief, Siari. It has some rather noteworthy ideas about death and afterlife. 

[SamT3N7]

Doom Lich wrote...

I think the problem is that Shepherds statements pretty blatantly defy some religions. Why did he not remember heaven, he spent two years there, ect.

It would seem weird if Shepard got to Heaven and God was like: "Alright, I'm gonna send you back down now so you can save the galaxy."  It wouldn't make sense for a deity to allow someone into the afterlife and then just send them back.  I mean it's the afterlife right? Not life-intermission.  If you do believe in God then just say it wasn't Shep's time yet. If you don't believe, well, you really shouldn't have a problem with any of this.

[halbert986]

Wow.... Once again, why in the name of all things mass effect would you delete this?! It makes ashley's romance so much better.

I was just annoyed with her most of the time in 3, by my second play through I wanted nothing to do with her. In ME1 I had a hard time not romancing her and only went for liara once just to see the difference.

It does feel a little too much like blade runner, but I can live with that.

[Blue Liara]

Why was this cut?!

Oh yea BUDGET CONSTRAINTS and DEADLINES.....DAMN YOU EA!!!!

EA(Reapers)+Bioware(Collectors)=Really disappointing game.

[Blue Liara]

Really wish EA would take a page from Blizzard. They are constantly pushing back releases of games to make sure they are perfect. When a game is released from Blizzard it is assumed that it will be excellent. People think,

How great will this game be.

With EA and Bioware, people now will think,

How much will this game disappoint me?

[XavierHollywood]

shame this had to be cut. Really good scene it looks like.