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[Malanek]

The two I believe are most powerful (at level 20) are Asari Adept and...Human Sentinel. Yes, Warp + Throw are too powerful imo. At the least I think the warp biotic explosion modifier should only apply when used as a detonator. The bubble part of stasis is cool but I think there should be a negative consequence of picking that evolution. Keep it in the game and available but increase the recharge cost.

[Artst3in]

I was very surprised how bad Quarian Engineer and Krogan Sentinel are when I unlocked them (actually, I always wanted to play as KS, what a let down).

Personally, I mostly agree with OP's tier list.

[Looper128]

Malanek999 wrote...

The two I believe are most powerful (at level 20) are Asari Adept and...Human Sentinel. Yes, Warp + Throw are too powerful imo. At the least I think the warp biotic explosion modifier should only apply when used as a detonator. The bubble part of stasis is cool but I think there should be a negative consequence of picking that evolution. Keep it in the game and available but increase the recharge cost.

Well, there are absolutly some crazy combos of teams you can put togheter, but damage isent everything and for going high on the list its also important that the charakter can hold its own on gold without any specific team mates. Either being great suport or solo damage dealer.

edit: and yes.. I know I'm contradicting myshelfe a bit. Point is, something cant come to high on the list if it cant do its job good without a certain class helping it.

Modifié par Lopper128, 10 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[Looper128]

Artst3in wrote...

I was very surprised how bad Quarian Engineer and Krogan Sentinel are when I unlocked them (actually, I always wanted to play as KS, what a let down).

Personally, I mostly agree with OP's tier list.

Feel free to post suggestions for changes =)

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Lopper128 wrote...

Well since everyone else is doing it, heres my personal Tier list:

God tier:

----

A tier:

Salarian Infiltraitor
Asari Adept
Human Vanguard (Must be hosting)
Salarian Engineer

B tier:

Quarian Infiltraitor
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Drell Adept


C tier:

Human Adept
Human enginer
Human infiltraitor
Human Sentinel

D tier:

Krogan Soldier
Krogan sentinel
Turian Soldier


E tier:

Quarian Engineer
Human soldier
Drell Vanguard

.....................................................

This tier is a overall ranking and it might look diffrent depending on what enemy type your facing.

Krogan soldier and sentinel not in the bottom tier?

<_<

[GodlessPaladin]

What do you do to make the Turian Soldier output more hurt than the Human Soldier?

Say, a human soldier using Adrenaline Rush to get the most oomph out of a GPS X with equipment, which will kill things like brutes outright without needing to reload and take down banshees at a fair speed.

How do you make a Turian Soldier compete with that?  Because this looks pretty damning: 

These are good players using good equipment and playing very cooperatively, and it still is plodding along.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 avril 2012 - 03:32 .

[Malanek]

Lopper128 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The two I believe are most powerful (at level 20) are Asari Adept and...Human Sentinel. Yes, Warp + Throw are too powerful imo. At the least I think the warp biotic explosion modifier should only apply when used as a detonator. The bubble part of stasis is cool but I think there should be a negative consequence of picking that evolution. Keep it in the game and available but increase the recharge cost.

Well, there are absolutly some crazy combos of teams you can put togheter, but damage isent everything and for going high on the list its also important that the charakter can hold its own on gold without any specific team mates. Either being great suport or solo damage dealer.

Which is exactly why I like those two. You do know that you can use Warp then Throw to set off a biotic explosion on any enemy right? I can't understand why you have human sentinel so low.

[Atalanta]

Lopper128 wrote...
Its more or less the ultimate suport charakter, the decoy, keeps enemys, by formost bosses of yourshelfe and your team mates, making them much easier and safer to kill, energy drain tackes away shields, and Incinirate eats up armor. 

As a Salarian engineer your main job is always to keep the decoy up in a good place between your teammates and the enemys. 

If you only play on Bronze and even silver it can be hard to use the Salarian engineer to its fullets since ppl tend to just go and do thier own thing on gold though where ppl are more for teamwork you will notice that a Salarian engineer that know how to use thier decoy is always welcome though and a great adittion to any team.

Yeah, I play on silver and it seems like people always run out in front of the decoy anyway, as if they're worried that it'll steal their kills or something. A couple of times 1-2 teammates even missed extraction because I set up the decoy outside of the extraction point, and they just camped out in front of it. Sigh.

[Looper128]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...

Well since everyone else is doing it, heres my personal Tier list:

God tier:

----

A tier:

Salarian Infiltraitor
Asari Adept
Human Vanguard (Must be hosting)
Salarian Engineer

B tier:

Quarian Infiltraitor
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Drell Adept


C tier:

Human Adept
Human enginer
Human infiltraitor
Human Sentinel

D tier:

Krogan Soldier
Krogan sentinel
Turian Soldier


E tier:

Quarian Engineer
Human soldier
Drell Vanguard

.....................................................

This tier is a overall ranking and it might look diffrent depending on what enemy type your facing.

Krogan soldier and sentinel not in the bottom tier?

<_<

The Krogan sentinel can be discussed, the soldier on the other hand can be really great on gold, if its in the hands of someone that knows what they are doing. I seen some crazy krogan soldiers out there actully meleeing things on gold, mixed with geth plasma shotgunning and not dying and getting a good higscore.

I was actully debating on puting them higer but I dont think the argument: "Some ppl are good with them on gold" was good enough to actully put them any higer then D since there are always going to be ppl that can play godly even with the lowest ranked char, in any game.

edit: I moved the krogan sentinel to the top of the E tier.

Modifié par Lopper128, 10 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Lopper128 wrote...
but I dont think the argument: "Some ppl are good with them on gold" was good enough to actully put them any higer then D since there are always going to be ppl that can play godly even with the lowest ranked char, in any game.

This is true.  I can vouch that with some skill and a good weapon, you *will* be able to considerably outscore most PuGs as any class, even at a low level.  "I saw someone rock the house with X class on gold" is not a good argument for a tier list position.  If you asked that very same person you saw rock the house, she might very well tell you that she was actually underperforming compared to if she played a different class.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[Looper128]

Malanek999 wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The two I believe are most powerful (at level 20) are Asari Adept and...Human Sentinel. Yes, Warp + Throw are too powerful imo. At the least I think the warp biotic explosion modifier should only apply when used as a detonator. The bubble part of stasis is cool but I think there should be a negative consequence of picking that evolution. Keep it in the game and available but increase the recharge cost.

Well, there are absolutly some crazy combos of teams you can put togheter, but damage isent everything and for going high on the list its also important that the charakter can hold its own on gold without any specific team mates. Either being great suport or solo damage dealer.

Which is exactly why I like those two. You do know that you can use Warp then Throw to set off a biotic explosion on any enemy right? I can't understand why you have human sentinel so low.

You have a good point, so I puffed up the Human sentinel to high C.

Atalanta wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...
Its more or
less the ultimate suport charakter, the decoy, keeps enemys, by formost
bosses of yourshelfe and your team mates, making them much easier and
safer to kill, energy drain tackes away shields, and Incinirate eats up
armor. 

As a Salarian engineer your main job is always to keep the decoy up in a good place between your teammates and the enemys. 

If
you only play on Bronze and even silver it can be hard to use the
Salarian engineer to its fullets since ppl tend to just go and do thier
own thing on gold though where ppl are more for teamwork you will notice
that a Salarian engineer that know how to use thier decoy is always
welcome though and a great adittion to any team.

Yeah,
I play on silver and it seems like people always run out in front of
the decoy anyway, as if they're worried that it'll steal their kills or
something. A couple of times 1-2 teammates even missed extraction
because I set up the decoy outside of the extraction point, and they
just camped out in front of it. Sigh.

It will get all better when you move to gold my firiend. I feel your pain though.

[GodlessPaladin]

Lopper128 wrote...
Well, there are absolutly some crazy combos of teams you can put togheter, but damage isent everything and for going high on the list its also important that the charakter can hold its own on gold without any specific team mates. Either being great suport or solo damage dealer.

  I think such an evaluation mechanism really dramatically undersells the benefits of things like, say, the Drell Adept.

[Looper128]

There is now an F tier. Think some E tiered chars should be moved there? Let me know.

[Zabaniya]

Think you're going to have to put Human Vanguard who isn't a host into the list.

[Looper128]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...
Well, there are absolutly some crazy combos of teams you can put togheter, but damage isent everything and for going high on the list its also important that the charakter can hold its own on gold without any specific team mates. Either being great suport or solo damage dealer.

  I think such an evaluation mechanism really dramatically undersells the benefits of things like, say, the Drell Adept.

I wouldent agree, The Drell adept can do solid damage against all enemys from all factions. Its can also hurt multiple enemys at the same time by puting up more then one reave. Hes also really effective against Banshees and Phantoms since they can run but not hide from the reave DoT.

Modifié par Lopper128, 10 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[Looper128]

Zabaniya wrote...

Think you're going to have to put Human Vanguard who isn't a host into the list.

Wish granted.

[GodlessPaladin]

Lopper128 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...
Well, there are absolutly some crazy combos of teams you can put togheter, but damage isent everything and for going high on the list its also important that the charakter can hold its own on gold without any specific team mates. Either being great suport or solo damage dealer.

  I think such an evaluation mechanism really dramatically undersells the benefits of things like, say, the Drell Adept.

I wouldent agree, The Drell adept can do solid damage against all enemys from all factions. Its can also hurt multiple enemys at the same time by puting up more then one reave. Hes also really effective against Banshees and Phantoms since they can run but not hide from the reave DoT.

And yet that pales in comparison to their role in biotic explosion teams.

By contrast, as of yet, I have not seen Salarian Engineers make it onto truly optimized teams.  It might be possible, I just haven't seen it happen.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[Looper128]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...
Well, there are absolutly some crazy combos of teams you can put togheter, but damage isent everything and for going high on the list its also important that the charakter can hold its own on gold without any specific team mates. Either being great suport or solo damage dealer.

  I think such an evaluation mechanism really dramatically undersells the benefits of things like, say, the Drell Adept.

I wouldent agree, The Drell adept can do solid damage against all enemys from all factions. Its can also hurt multiple enemys at the same time by puting up more then one reave. Hes also really effective against Banshees and Phantoms since they can run but not hide from the reave DoT.

And yet that still pales in comparison to their role in biotic explosion teams.

I agree, this is a simple tier list, if I have time and lust I will later expand on it by doing tiers for each faction and a own tier list based on diffrent team setups. Ofc I will need your and everyone else input so they become as accurate as possible when the time comes =)

GodlessPaladin wrote...

By contrast, as of yet, I have not
seen Salarian Engineers make it onto truly optimized teams.  It might
be possible, I just haven't seen it happen.

Again this is the problem in making tiers, everyone have thier own experiances with the diffrent classes, Salarian engineers main seling point is that they make the game incredible much safer, but as all suport chars they often dont bring much to the table when it comes to damage. Maybe they should be moved to high B.. Thoughts?

Modifié par Lopper128, 10 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Lopper128 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

By contrast, as of yet, I have not
seen Salarian Engineers make it onto truly optimized teams.  It might
be possible, I just haven't seen it happen.

Again this is the problem in making tiers, everyone have thier own experiances with the diffrent classes, Salarian engineers main seling point is that they make the game incredible much safer, but as all suport chars they often dont bring much to the table when it comes to damage. Maybe they should be moved to high B.. Thoughts?

Yes, I know that they make things safer for newbies who are likely to die on gold.  However, that doesn't make them top tier candidates for optimized teams, where you aren't worrying about the low low chance of dying... the only measure of "better" is how efficiently you can clear the board.

By convention tier lists tend to assume high level execution, and it's worth noting that people with high level execution aren't overly worried about dying without a decoy to take the heat off.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 avril 2012 - 08:43 .

[Gwinever]

uhm why the hell is human sentinel C tier and not B tier? they got the best damm bio explosion that can do them on their own besides the AA

[Impulse and Compulse]

How is Krogan Sentinel worse than Krogan Soldier? Tech armor gives you more protection.....

[Darkslayer557]

Krogan soldier >>>>> asari vanguard.

[GodlessPaladin]

Darkslayer557 wrote...

Krogan soldier >>>>> asari vanguard.

I'll believe it when I see krogan soldiers do things like go through phantoms like they're assault troopers.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[Looper128]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

By contrast, as of yet, I have not
seen Salarian Engineers make it onto truly optimized teams.  It might
be possible, I just haven't seen it happen.

Again this is the problem in making tiers, everyone have thier own experiances with the diffrent classes, Salarian engineers main seling point is that they make the game incredible much safer, but as all suport chars they often dont bring much to the table when it comes to damage. Maybe they should be moved to high B.. Thoughts?

Yes, I know that they make things safer for newbies who are likely to die on gold.  However, that doesn't make them top tier candidates for optimized teams, where you aren't worrying about the low low chance of dying... the only measure of "better" is how efficiently you can clear the board.

By convention tier lists tend to assume high level execution, and it's worth noting that people with high level execution aren't overly worried about dying without a decoy to take the heat off.

True, true. But things have, as asumed, changed alot since the resurgence pack, now Salarian engineers and Justicars can do a really niffy little combo.

Question is still, how much should a char be rated on top of thier skills to pull of combos vs thier ability to "solo" on gold. 

[Looper128]

Gwinever wrote...

uhm why the hell is human sentinel C
tier and not B tier? they got the best damm bio explosion that can do
them on their own besides the AA

Indeed, Changed around the tiers a bit, H-Sentinel is now B

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

How is Krogan Sentinel worse than Krogan Soldier? Tech armor gives you more protection.....

Totally based on my own experiance with the classes. Both from my own testing and seeing others use them. Please give me some more argumen why the Sentinel would be the better one.

Darkslayer557 wrote...

Krogan soldier >>>>> asari vanguard.

Stasis bubble, nuff said.

Modifié par Lopper128, 12 avril 2012 - 04:52 .