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[peddroelm]

Area reave (No travel time) + cluster grenades (cooldown independent) - self (multiple) detonating area mayhem

Turn around a corner - facing a freshly spawned mob  -> Reave + Cluster and dissapear around a corner .. ~10 seconds later all the trash is dead and the heavys seriously bloody nosed ... 

Asari Justicar cannot duplicate that ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 25 avril 2012 - 11:04 .

[Looper128]

Wesus wrote...

Hes still very strong, aoe reave + cluster grenades can wipe out entire rooms

Aja is mostly played as support and when shes going agressive she needs a passive playstyle a.k.a campy because of the bubble + reave detonations,

A good DA will never run out of grenades due to the high movement speed of the drell and the ability to run to all ammo boxes to pick up grenades each time hè hits one

The aoe reave and cluster grenade is a good argument so is the speed part, the justicar on the other hand can in fact be aggressively played but her strongest point lies in placing the bubble in a good location bunker down and explode everything that enters it with area reave. The bubble is also makes her an amazing for teamwork since other adepts/sentinels can use her bubble as well. And it can also be used for defensive purposes even if you go for the damage build. Her barriers are also dubbel as strong as the Drells, she got a better dodge, she is far more used in gold (usage is important for this tier) The bubble + reave just give her a incredible damage output as well as defensive abillities and teamwork potencial.

[GodlessPaladin]

Lopper128 wrote...

Wesus wrote...

Hes still very strong, aoe reave + cluster grenades can wipe out entire rooms

Aja is mostly played as support and when shes going agressive she needs a passive playstyle a.k.a campy because of the bubble + reave detonations,

A good DA will never run out of grenades due to the high movement speed of the drell and the ability to run to all ammo boxes to pick up grenades each time hè hits one

The aoe reave and cluster grenade is a good argument so is the speed part, the justicar on the other hand can in fact be aggressively played but her strongest point lies in placing the bubble in a good location bunker down and explode everything that enters it with area reave. The bubble is also makes her an amazing for teamwork since other adepts/sentinels can use her bubble as well. And it can also be used for defensive purposes even if you go for the damage build. Her barriers are also dubbel as strong as the Drells, she got a better dodge, she is far more used in gold (usage is important for this tier) The bubble + reave just give her a incredible damage output as well as defensive abillities and teamwork potencial.

Usage?  What the hell?  So do you have data mining there or are you just going from your limited personal experience?  And moreover, even if you had accurate data on usage, usage doesn't actually reflect potential.  What decently respected tier list includes "usage" amongst its criteria?  I certainly can't think of one.

[Wesus]

She requires à campy playstyle which on some Maps Will not work out, The drell however can run as lightning Throw à reave and à grenade in à room and hè Will get cluster biotic explosions where the aja needs to place à bubble (get close to enemies), drell is more practical in use than the aja unless you play fbw GG where everyone camps

[peddroelm]

Drell adept can unleash hell in a blink of an eye//drop of the hat - (ready to go boom at any moment) - Asari Justicar requires preparation (setting up the bubble trap in a suitable position, waiting for the marks to walk in it..)

Modifié par peddroelmz, 25 avril 2012 - 11:14 .

[No Snakes Alive]

This is actually a pretty good list IMO except for how vastly underrated the Turian Soldier is. With Tech teammates and a Hornet, Turian Soldiers dominate. Look up JuMpiN's vids on YouTube if you require proof, but it essentially boils down to this: there are some weapons only Turians can make gdlk with their improved stability and Concussive Shot spam is pretty broken when you have Tech teammates and/or a good ammo power.

[Looper128]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...
Drell
adept was higer the reason it dropped so much is becuse of the asari
justicar she makes him completly obsolete. And the usages is nowdays
more or less non existing. The Turian soldier is not used on gold, at
all. Plese argue why it should be higer though =)

Bull****.  Look, I'm all for praising the virtues of the Asari Justicar and all, but she DOESN'T make the Drell Adept obsolete.

Look 3 post above you, he explained why he dont think the justicar makes him obsolete. Please try and do the same.

Why don't you explain why you think the bubble makes Cluster Grenades and a movement speed bonus obsolete?  Cluster Grenades can quickly set off multiple biotic explosions, deal high burst damage, interrupt banshee grabs easily, get lobbed over or around things, and clear out rooms.  And it exists outside of the cooldown system.  The Drell also moves faster than the Asari Justicar.

The Asari Justicar has her own advantages and disadvantages when compared to the Drell Adept, but she hardly makes him OBSOLETE.

These are some good arguments and I can see I awoke some strong feelings using the tearm "obsolete" I will try to refrain from using this tearm in the future. But please try and hold the discussion civilized and adult. This is only my personal opinions. I do still listen to posters and changes the list acordingly.

Modifié par Lopper128, 25 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[Looper128]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Lopper128 wrote...

Wesus wrote...

Hes still very strong, aoe reave + cluster grenades can wipe out entire rooms

Aja is mostly played as support and when shes going agressive she needs a passive playstyle a.k.a campy because of the bubble + reave detonations,

A good DA will never run out of grenades due to the high movement speed of the drell and the ability to run to all ammo boxes to pick up grenades each time hè hits one

The aoe reave and cluster grenade is a good argument so is the speed part, the justicar on the other hand can in fact be aggressively played but her strongest point lies in placing the bubble in a good location bunker down and explode everything that enters it with area reave. The bubble is also makes her an amazing for teamwork since other adepts/sentinels can use her bubble as well. And it can also be used for defensive purposes even if you go for the damage build. Her barriers are also dubbel as strong as the Drells, she got a better dodge, she is far more used in gold (usage is important for this tier) The bubble + reave just give her a incredible damage output as well as defensive abillities and teamwork potencial.

Usage?  What the hell?  So do you have data mining there or are you just going from your limited personal experience?  And moreover, even if you had accurate data on usage, usage doesn't actually reflect potential.  What decently respected tier list includes "usage" amongst its criteria?  I certainly can't think of one.

If your familiar with tiers you should know that usage and not potencial is what defines them. And yes when doing these tiers I'm basing it mostly on personal experiance, my friends experiance, videos I see on youtube and ppl I see in matches and the post in this thred and other threds on this forum.

[Dashmundo]

A Batarian Soldier is class A?!?

This is a character which has NO SYNERGY with any other. It has a shotgun on its' wrist, a good meleé attack, and a grenade.

No Synergy. None.

Seriously? class A?

[Looper128]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

This is actually a pretty good list IMO except for how vastly underrated the Turian Soldier is. With Tech teammates and a Hornet, Turian Soldiers dominate. Look up JuMpiN's vids on YouTube if you require proof, but it essentially boils down to this: there are some weapons only Turians can make gdlk with their improved stability and Concussive Shot spam is pretty broken when you have Tech teammates and/or a good ammo power.

I will look up these videos, thx for the fedback =)

[No Snakes Alive]

Wesus wrote...

She requires à campy playstyle which on some Maps Will not work out, The drell however can run as lightning Throw à reave and à grenade in à room and hè Will get cluster biotic explosions where the aja needs to place à bubble (get close to enemies), drell is more practical in use than the aja unless you play fbw GG where everyone camps

This is false. Yes you CAN play the Justicar campy, but it's nowhere near as good as playing her offensively. It's basically a trade-off of having to get close enough with her (which is pretty easy, actually) and having to refill grenades with him (also not that difficult).

I really enjoy both classes and played correctly they're both gdlk. But only when you go all out offense with her. Sitting back in your defensive bubble doesn't do her any justice on the higher difficulties.

[MoZedK]

I dont understand, why make a tier list is it for solo.

I would never put it that way, cuz it depends on the group comp. and the enemy.

[Looper128]

I bumped up the Drell adept to mid C after many good arguments, please keep up with the feedback.

Dashmundo wrote...

A Batarian Soldier is class A?!?

This is a character which has NO SYNERGY with any other. It has a shotgun on its' wrist, a good meleé attack, and a grenade.

No Synergy. None.

Seriously? class A?

Thats a good point, but if synergy was all that defined an A class we wouldent have any infiltraitors up there. The Baterian soldier dont have synergy but his balistic blades can hit everything around him and stagger it. Something that greatly helps out allies when swarmed or sneaked up on.

Although if enough ppl feel batrian soldier should be lower I will lower him to B.

Modifié par Lopper128, 25 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[No Snakes Alive]

Dashmundo wrote...

A Batarian Soldier is class A?!?

This is a character which has NO SYNERGY with any other. It has a shotgun on its' wrist, a good meleé attack, and a grenade.

No Synergy. None.

Seriously? class A?

Its synergy is that it absolutely kicks ass no matter who its paired with. There are some classes that are godly when paired with the right team (ie Turian Soldier with Salarian teammates) and then there are classes who can more than hold their own no matter who's on their side (ie Turian Sentinel, Batarian Soldier). To say the classes that depend on the proper squad are better is just silly.

[No Snakes Alive]

Oh and Human Infiltrator is way above C tier. Cryo Blast is one of the best CC powers in the game AND one of the best debuffing powers in the game. Hit a boss with one from your Cloak and Claymore its face: you'll take so many bars off its health you'll **** bricks.

[Tangster]

Since you seem to take your information from youtube videos, if I record a Quarian solo video will she be moved up a tier?

[zhk3r]

Tangster wrote...

Since you seem to take your information from youtube videos, if I record a Quarian solo video will she be moved up a tier?

Quarian Engineer is a beast. 

[No Snakes Alive]

Tangster wrote...

Since you seem to take your information from youtube videos, if I record a Quarian solo video will she be moved up a tier?

Quarian Engineer Gold solo run? I'd move her up in a heartbeat. Do it.

[Looper128]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

Oh and Human Infiltrator is way
above C tier. Cryo Blast is one of the best CC powers in the game AND
one of the best debuffing powers in the game. Hit a boss with one from
your Cloak and Claymore its face: you'll take so many bars off its
health you'll **** bricks.

I heard about this but I
havent tested it myshelfe. And I have never seen anyone using this
strategy effectivly It might be worth moving the human infil up, hmm.. 

Tangster wrote...

Since you seem to take your information from youtube videos, if I record a Quarian solo video will she be moved up a tier?

I know you can solo gold with the quarian infil, you can do it with mostly any class really *shrugs* thats why I dont base my tier just on one thing, how well the class can solo is just one of the aspects.

[Looper128]

I moved the quarian and human infil to B, just cus they are infils o.o

No Snakes Alive wrote...

Tangster wrote...

Since you seem to take your information from youtube videos, if I record a Quarian solo video will she be moved up a tier?

Quarian Engineer Gold solo run? I'd move her up in a heartbeat. Do it.

I'm actully really intrested in seeing this, please do it. o.o

Modifié par Lopper128, 25 avril 2012 - 11:42 .

[Relix28]

Drell Adept and Krogan Vanguard should be bumped up the tier list. One completely dominates on tight enclosed maps (like glacier) and has two insanely powerful biotic abilites, that not only synergize well with themselves, but also with other biotic teammates. The other one is impossible to kill, if played correctly, save the Banshee, Brute, Phantom and Atlas insta-kills. And even those can be easily avoided, if you play it smart. He also synergizes well with biotic teammates that can prime his targets, and can act as a "decoy" (aka aggro puller), so the whole team can finish off large groups without being shot at. Oh, and he's also immune to most stagger attacks.

[dipss]

IMO geth engineer & salarian engineer should be swapped. Salarian engineer has way more survivability compared to the geth (energy drain & normal shields/health vs hunter mode which reduces the shield by 375 & low health). Energy drain has pretty much the same stunning effect of overload and can be specced into AOE ED too, just like overload. Not to mention that the salarian has a much better weapon for armored targets (incinerate) then the geth has. Infact apart from a weapon with armor pen ammo/mod the geth has very little against armor.

Modifié par dipss, 25 avril 2012 - 11:53 .

[-Jaren-]

Krogan Vanguard and Drell Adept are C tier? This list is silly... Krogan Vanguard is unkillable if you are skilled. Drell Adept lower than Justicar?

I saw that you, TC, mentioned how she has better shileds? This is false is you actually think about it. To dodge on an Asari as you know, uses shields. I can dodge around on my space ninja ahem* Drell adept, and not lose shield at all.  Also the Drell's dodge covers more ground.

Imo CG > Bubble. CG is the highest fastest damage you can do in MP. Why do people forget that?

Modifié par -Jaren-, 25 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Lopper128 wrote...
If your familiar with tiers you should know that usage and not potencial is what defines them.

  What are you on?  First off, it's "you're."  Sorry but I just find that so incredibly annoying.  More relevantly,  I am familiar with tiers.  Usage establishes the metagame, it does not establish tiers.  Where the heck did you get this idea that usage establishes tiers?  That's the kind of thing that they make fun of people for on SRK.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 25 avril 2012 - 06:05 .

[Malkeor]

Argh I hate tier lists with a passion -.-
More of whos the more popular class than anything
and the "pros" choice.

Pro players all of a sudden start raping with low tier class and it gets bumped up *shakes head*

Modifié par Malkeor, 25 avril 2012 - 06:05 .