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[Dridengx]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Dridengx wrote...
hmm an idea isn't controlling someone. lol wow.

You imply the sarcastic use of the phrase "here's an idea" doesn't really mean "you idiots are wrong. let me tell you what to do".

Welcome to the beauty of the English language.

Are you sure, sounds to me you are assuming his intentions. "here's an idea" why don't you wait until something is a bit more clear before you jump on someone for claiming control? Did I use it sarcastically or did I mean it another way? Welcome to the beauty of not making everything an arguement

[FabricatedWookie]

Juromaro wrote...
*snip*

Except they did give you the game they promised.



I mean really what kind of ending are you expecting or wanting? Do you even know what your asking for or is this a bandwagon thing?


I mean really if they make a DLC that changes the ending they need to make one for every single person's ending wants.

They need to make a DLC that allows me to take Jack up on her offer and FTL to the next galaxy to be a space pirate. or a DLC that allows me to join the Reapers from the start and help them wipe out earth.

But they won't do that, and a Clarity DLC is the best thing for everybody because what you want may not be what I want. And don't try the "Well you don't have to buy the DLC if it's not for you" argument, you don't have to play the game if the ending isn't for you.

I was promised a definitive ending to the game. I saw this definitive ending as not needing to ask questions about the state of the galaxy, its races, and my companions. I fully expected an epilogue to chew on the story that ended. You know? definitive.

Instead, I got an ending where the plot point of the reapers were resolved, but the rest of the character relationships and codex data was rife with the writer desired "speculation." Definitive, which was a buzz word in the selling of this game, has a few antonyms I am going to list: vague, ambiguous, unspecific, and may I dare add; speculative.

If you don't want to give me a definitive ending because it would be too much work or because you need to get everybody on a similar level for your next ME franchise, don't promise me that. End of problem. They financially benefitted from their promises.

However, I have grown to dislike starchild very much as well, and I think some pressure to get him removed is still in the cards, but I can respect the argument that some people may even like star child, and retconning him would be alienating that fan. It is something to chew on.

[nazguljcg1]

Jackal7713 wrote...

If you want to beat Bioware at the Integrity game, here is how you do it.

DON'T BUY THIER PRODUCTS.

Its simple and it doesn't cost you money.

You make a valid point.  Too bad it will likely get buried by the people arguing in circles and flaming each other, much like my post was.

[FabricatedWookie]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

In short..."Sorry not good enough" and a billboard displaying disgust about a video game ENDING....don't go hand and hand.

Either way....it's still dead, which was the point.

It does if the billboard says "Sorry, not good enough"

It's the same as a guy asking a woman to marry him by hiring a guy to write it in the sky.  Yes, all he's doing is saying "will you marry me" BUT HE'S DOING SO IN THE SKY.

  and? are you saying the marriage request written in the sky doesn't work?

....no, thats not what I'm saying.

well if the marriage proposal in the sky works and it is the same as the billboard than the billboard willw ork and we are all gravy. Hugs all around c'mere you cuddly dude in this room, paragon action brohug, you know you wanna.

[Rodia Driftwood]

Very soon.. all of these campaigns and polls and so called "movements" will fade away.. with no resonance.

If you...rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreally hated the entire game just because of the ending. Demand a refund.

It's been a month. A MONTH since this uproar started. Nothing has changed and nothing will. You will not change a business model simply because you disliked one part of the product. Especially not if everyone else disagrees with you.

[FabricatedWookie]

nazguljcg1 wrote...

After getting about 9 pages into this thread, I decided I'd like to voice my opinion. First, as age has been brought up here, I want to say I am 41. Now that being said, I think this is really going too far. This is nothing more than wasting money so you can whine publicly. Really I can see nothing positive ever coming from this.

Assume for the moment this works and you get the ending you want(yes I have played the game and no I did not like the ending) do you think this will get EA and Bioware to give it to your for free or something? So what you will in the end do is end up paying 20 dollars as you will flush 10 down the toilet on the billboard and then pay Bioware and EA another 10 for the ending. For the record they have stated fairly adamantly that they will not change the ending.

Okay, so you're making a statement. You would rather do this than give EA your money. So why not just stop giving EA your money? Don't you think they are more likely to get the point when they're profits drop rather than see a billboard created by a small percentage of the gaming public?

And honestly, if you want attention, why not find a more positive way to do it? Reading this thread I came up with two ideas that would draw positive attention. Your billboard will not. Why not take that 10 dollars and go out one day with all your friends wherever you happen to live and maybe clean up a park, or go help out at a mission? Use your 10 dollars to buy some white tee shirts and a sharpie and write hold the line on it and call the local media who would probably cover the piece as you are doing something positive to make a point.

And someone in this thread stated that you have to put your money where your mouth is to make a point, this is not true. You do not need to spend thousands of dollars to make a point. There are ways to protest that do not cost thousands of dollars and would have a much more positive effect, in the eyes of the public. All this will do is show everyone as a bunch of whiners who have no problem wasting money on something pointless in a world where people starve to death on a daily basis.

I'm not saying don't protest, just do it in a positive way. the Retake charity drive was an excellent method imho, it is unfortunate that it had to be marred by a small group of people who had to go and ruin it. I was proud to hear that was being done. I'm not proud of what you are proposing in any way. What you are doing is wasteful and will give gamers a worse image than they already have.

I have found your lost post, that'll be tree-fiddy

[AxisEvolve]

Dridengx wrote...
Welcome to the beauty of not making everything an arguement

Hmmm.. This might be good advice if it came from someone other than you. Maybe you should apply your advice to yourself also since 100% of your posts are derailing the threads of those who dislike the endings. But you believe feedback isn't allowed and that somehow any negative opinion on the ending is "wrong".

But good thing Bioware has fanatics on here that can preserve their image, it doesn't really matter that they are dividing the community in the process. I'd prefer a rational forum with open and respectful discussion from both sides. People like you want the "if you don't like it then just leave" mentality to stick. It's just not realstic. Trying to surpress the opinion shared by so many people isn't going to work. It's why you lash out so much, you're outnumbered. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 10 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[Jackal7713]

nazguljcg1 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

If you want to beat Bioware at the Integrity game, here is how you do it.

DON'T BUY THIER PRODUCTS.

Its simple and it doesn't cost you money.

You make a valid point.  Too bad it will likely get buried by the people arguing in circles and flaming each other, much like my post was.

When you keep thinking you can push back the tide of the ocean, its hard to hear the people say you can't.

[nazguljcg1]

FabricatedWookie wrote...
 I have found your lost post, that'll be tree-fiddy

I'm feeling generous.  Here's ten,  XD

[Drake_Hound]

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

Very soon.. all of these campaigns and polls and so called "movements" will fade away.. with no resonance.

If you...rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreally hated the entire game just because of the ending. Demand a refund.

It's been a month. A MONTH since this uproar started. Nothing has changed and nothing will. You will not change a business model simply because you disliked one part of the product. Especially not if everyone else disagrees with you.

http://occupywallst.org/ still alive , or you forgot the media didn´t care

Yes cause you don´t hear anything on the media doesn´t mean it is dead and buried ..
But don´t worry that is normal with people making there own opnions.

Everyone disagree , no not everybody disagree most have given up , if that is what Bioware wants.
Good I saw it in SWTOR , dedicated bioware fan fading away ... not logging in not playing on alts .
Just fading away ,  fine what they going to do with ME4 with wait we sold 3 million copies now we only sell 1 million ..... how marketing going to explain that .

It is cause people care answers are found , if up to people like you , excuses are found .

[Drake_Hound]

Juromaro wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

Juromaro wrote...
*snip*

Except they did give you the game they promised.



I mean really what kind of ending are you expecting or wanting? Do you even know what your asking for or is this a bandwagon thing?


I mean really if they make a DLC that changes the ending they need to make one for every single person's ending wants.

They need to make a DLC that allows me to take Jack up on her offer and FTL to the next galaxy to be a space pirate. or a DLC that allows me to join the Reapers from the start and help them wipe out earth.

But they won't do that, and a Clarity DLC is the best thing for everybody because what you want may not be what I want. And don't try the "Well you don't have to buy the DLC if it's not for you" argument, you don't have to play the game if the ending isn't for you.

I was promised a definitive ending to the game. I saw this definitive ending as not needing to ask questions about the state of the galaxy, its races, and my companions. I fully expected an epilogue to chew on the story that ended. You know? definitive.

Instead, I got an ending where the plot point of the reapers were resolved, but the rest of the character relationships and codex data was rife with the writer desired "speculation." Definitive, which was a buzz word in the selling of this game, has a few antonyms I am going to list: vague, ambiguous, unspecific, and may I dare add; speculative.

If you don't want to give me a definitive ending because it would be too much work or because you need to get everybody on a similar level for your next ME franchise, don't promise me that. End of problem. They financially benefitted from their promises.

However, I have grown to dislike starchild very much as well, and I think some pressure to get him removed is still in the cards, but I can respect the argument that some people may even like star child, and retconning him would be alienating that fan. It is something to chew on.

That's your take on a definitive ending. However the endings they provided are definitive. You either Die, Don't die, Save the Galaxy or don't save the Galaxy.

The Joker and planet bit? More than likely going to be answered in the Clarity dlc. Plotholes? Other than the whole squad member teleport thing there aren't a whole lot of gamebreaking plotholes.

"Starchild" as you call it is just the manifestation used to speak to Shepard. God-like entities have used different forms to talk to people all the time. Movies do it, Books do it, even the write your own adventure books do it. and Mass Effect 3 is hardly the first nor the last game to ever do that.


The whole issue about the starkid being introduced at the end is also false. His model is introduced throught the game, and the Catalyst is spoken of throught the game, as well as what the Catalyst is.


I stand by my opinion that people are only upset because they expected endings like 1 and 2 where you had a clear line of "Okay Shepard lived".

Look for somebody who didn´t play the game at all , that nothing matters .
You can´t even understand mass effect . ok am tired of hearing you trying to argue when everybody go trough your post look for that famous argument 3-0 .. where you state nothing matters .

that is correct nothing matters to you , but to reply on the forum without a cause other then have cheap thrills that isn´t real , and saying nonesense , and then acting hurt and trying to lash out back .
That is the sad harsh truth .

[nazguljcg1]

Jackal7713 wrote...

nazguljcg1 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

If you want to beat Bioware at the Integrity game, here is how you do it.

DON'T BUY THIER PRODUCTS.

Its simple and it doesn't cost you money.

You make a valid point.  Too bad it will likely get buried by the people arguing in circles and flaming each other, much like my post was.

When you keep thinking you can push back the tide of the ocean, its hard to hear the people say you can't.

There's no way to rep/give kudos to posts here is there? 

Modifié par nazguljcg1, 10 avril 2012 - 06:50 .

[aznsoisauce]

Juromaro wrote...
Except they did give you the game they promised.

I mean really what kind of ending are you expecting or wanting? Do you even know what your asking for or is this a bandwagon thing?

I mean really if they make a DLC that changes the ending they need to make one for every single person's ending wants.

They need to make a DLC that allows me to take Jack up on her offer and FTL to the next galaxy to be a space pirate. or a DLC that allows me to join the Reapers from the start and help them wipe out earth.

But they won't do that, and a Clarity DLC is the best thing for everybody because what you want may not be what I want. And don't try the "Well you don't have to buy the DLC if it's not for you" argument, you don't have to play the game if the ending isn't for you.

Okay. I can understand being fine with the current existing ending but to say that we were given what was promised is ridiculous. Pre-release interviews kept saying "16 different endings based on player choices". The game files contain 16 video files but they only create 6 different ending sequences...and the differences are hardly notable.

Most of the "whiners" aren't asking for "149 different endings" personalized to their fantasies...just the 16 they were told to expect.

[FabricatedWookie]

Juromaro wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

Juromaro wrote...
*snip*

Except they did give you the game they promised.



I mean really what kind of ending are you expecting or wanting? Do you even know what your asking for or is this a bandwagon thing?


I mean really if they make a DLC that changes the ending they need to make one for every single person's ending wants.

They need to make a DLC that allows me to take Jack up on her offer and FTL to the next galaxy to be a space pirate. or a DLC that allows me to join the Reapers from the start and help them wipe out earth.

But they won't do that, and a Clarity DLC is the best thing for everybody because what you want may not be what I want. And don't try the "Well you don't have to buy the DLC if it's not for you" argument, you don't have to play the game if the ending isn't for you.

I was promised a definitive ending to the game. I saw this definitive ending as not needing to ask questions about the state of the galaxy, its races, and my companions. I fully expected an epilogue to chew on the story that ended. You know? definitive.

Instead, I got an ending where the plot point of the reapers were resolved, but the rest of the character relationships and codex data was rife with the writer desired "speculation." Definitive, which was a buzz word in the selling of this game, has a few antonyms I am going to list: vague, ambiguous, unspecific, and may I dare add; speculative.

If you don't want to give me a definitive ending because it would be too much work or because you need to get everybody on a similar level for your next ME franchise, don't promise me that. End of problem. They financially benefitted from their promises.

However, I have grown to dislike starchild very much as well, and I think some pressure to get him removed is still in the cards, but I can respect the argument that some people may even like star child, and retconning him would be alienating that fan. It is something to chew on.

That's your take on a definitive ending. However the endings they provided are definitive. You either Die, Don't die, Save the Galaxy or don't save the Galaxy.

The Joker and planet bit? More than likely going to be answered in the Clarity dlc. Plotholes? Other than the whole squad member teleport thing there aren't a whole lot of gamebreaking plotholes.

"Starchild" as you call it is just the manifestation used to speak to Shepard. God-like entities have used different forms to talk to people all the time. Movies do it, Books do it, even the write your own adventure books do it. and Mass Effect 3 is hardly the first nor the last game to ever do that.


The whole issue about the starkid being introduced at the end is also false. His model is introduced throught the game, and the Catalyst is spoken of throught the game, as well as what the Catalyst is.


I stand by my opinion that people are only upset because they expected endings like 1 and 2 where you had a clear line of "Okay Shepard lived".

yes, it is a bit of a personal definition of definitive, however it is also not a shallow one. One that just says final = definitive. I knew the reapers would be defeated before I played the game. it wasn't simply a highly predictable plot point, but I remember casey hudson saying it on one of the bioware tv video casts. It isn't a spoiler. Nobody is going to tell you "spoiler alert, the reaper threat is no more."
The story is greater than shepard and the the reapers. With the ending they set the whole setting in flux,a nd this is simply not definitive. it also completely counter to the storytelling styling that had been taken in the earlier games.

and I agree, the extended cut is likely to make sure non of the plot holes can be misinterpreted. Including the joker and the planet, which is likely going to be answered by the DLC that wouldn't exist if people didn't make a ruckus.

You can make the plotholes game breaking very easily. You take a piece of information you get in arrival (when Mass Relays fail they super nova) and attach it to the imagery of every mass relay blowing up and wow, it looks like you just killed most of the galaxy. You can not have a problem with this easily as well, because you say to yoursel;lf "nah, they probably didn't super nova." The thing is it takes work to see it in a positive light, it takes personal work to seal the plot with your imagination, hence plot hole.

Listen, I was keen on the catalyst being some form of greater being, especially after speaking with legion. It doesn't make it good, it just opens up more question. It makes sovereigns speech simple hyperbole and degrades the reapers as individual entities with their own, incomprehensible reasons for doing what they do. It makes you wonder why boy wonder doesn't simply control the citadel in ME1, opening his arms for the reapers.

where is that casey hudson post about not destroying the universe you are trying to save *searches pockets*

p.s. counter arguments are going to take work meaning the ending was not definitive, and was rather speculative.

Modifié par FabricatedWookie, 10 avril 2012 - 06:59 .

[FabricatedWookie]

nazguljcg1 wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...
 I have found your lost post, that'll be tree-fiddy

I'm feeling generous.  Here's ten,  XD

paragon action fist pump

[sushismygen]

This poll is ridiculos! I want an option "This idea is stupid, don't do it!" Seriously people. You make a lot of goodwillinfg fans look really bad.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Jackal7713 wrote...

nazguljcg1 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

If you want to beat Bioware at the Integrity game, here is how you do it.

DON'T BUY THIER PRODUCTS.

Its simple and it doesn't cost you money.

You make a valid point.  Too bad it will likely get buried by the people arguing in circles and flaming each other, much like my post was.

When you keep thinking you can push back the tide of the ocean, its hard to hear the people say you can't.

You can kick the tide back....The Karate Kid says hello.

[Father_Jerusalem]

You remember how when we would try to discuss the endings with Retake folks and they'd just scream "You can't kill the Retake movement! Retake forever!" and we'd say "Yeah, uh, we don't have to. At some point, y'all are going to kill the movement all on your own, and we won't have a damn thing to do with it. We'll just sit here and eat popcorn and watch."

Well.

*sits down, munches on some popcorn, and watches*

[nazguljcg1]

Juromaro wrote...

nazguljcg1 wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...
 I have found your lost post, that'll be tree-fiddy

I'm feeling generous.  Here's ten,  XD

your life isn't coming to an end is it?

Nah.  I have an ex wife.  I'm already dead. XD

[BiowareHeart]

Can we all calm down for a minute? (Ha, realize asking that in BSN forums is kind of like asking to win the lottery)

I understand where some of the ire is coming from, and while it might be more magnanimous to simply donate more money to charity... that's happening anyway with other initiatives such as save point and fullparagon.

But there's alot of skimming over the main issue occurring in this forum, and that is sliding right over what the DLC is all about. It's been said that it might fix the issue, but how many of you truly believe that by CLARIFICATION that really truly translates into: an end that doesn't stick it to all the fans months AFTER they were already disappointed by the end?

I don't believe that the Extended Cut will do anything BUT just that. And here's why: At best they created an ending that was so ambiguous that by not including gameplay post Shepard taking a breath and wakes up from being indoctrinated they released an unfinished game, and at worst, they wrote the ending to be the truth, and in fact released a game with an ending that threw the entire storyline under the bus. To clarify either will make everyone angry. And for those that fail to realize that? You're deluding yourselves, and I am sorry for that. Logically, to "clarify" leaves us with only two endings with the DLC they're offering, at which point, all the hope in the world won't fix that the game still screwed us over in the execution.

But back to the billboard... If they hadn't announced the DLC would you all still feel the same way about this particular course of action? Some of you may, in which case.. why are you in here in the first place? The best way to oppose this action? Don't give your money- and stop fanning the flames by posting at all. It just drives traffic to the concept.

But for those of you who would have been all for this pre-DLC announcement? Consider for a moment what possible reaction you're going to have when this "clarifying" DLC really comes out. Yeah- the indoctrination theory might pan out... but can you honestly say you'd be cool with having paid for an incomplete game and months of waiting on a response from the dev team? Doesn't the idea that they were cool with screwing us with this original ending in the first place leave a bad taste in your mouth?

Also- the idea of a billboard puts more pressure on the company and industry altogether. It drives traffic and interest in the cause and by gaining visibility, and might make some devs and companies think twice before releasing unfinished or sub-par content. Just... just calm down and consider what it might mean to do something like this. It could be an incredible move at helping the gamers gain a voice in the development of games before we launch headfirst into a more expensive era.