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[Edrick1976]

"We're trying to prove a point. The point being that collectively, we'd rather flush our money down a toilet than be tempted to spend a dime on DLC, or another EA game."

This....

However at this point I dont think anything we do will change anything....

Modifié par Edington, 10 avril 2012 - 07:23 .

[FabricatedWookie]

Juromaro wrote...


Sovereign could be explained by the actions of the Protheans blocking the signal of the citadel, cause if you look Sov is at the same place the Cruicible attaches itself to, The Reapers saying they are their own can also be explained by the Geth....They too believe they are their own. Most being controlled do I.E the ending of ME3.


Though I will admit I was a little irked about the Reapers not being what 2 games set them out to be, but not that irked.

  That explains sovereign, but we are saying a "god like entity" can't control its own home and call the reapers in from deep space. They are its solution after all. if the reapers are being controlled, and they are created by the catalyst...why...did...they...not...rebel? *turns to the ghost child* Isn't it true MR. CATALYST, if that is even your real name, that ALL created, rebel against their CREATORS?!

the defense rests, I drop my mic.

[earthonline]

Bioware already said they are working to bring closure and clarification to the ending:

Pax East 2012 Bioware and Mass Effect 3 Panel Part 2: Extended Cut DLC

Producer Mike Gamble: "
We wanted to clarify a number of things. That we actually answer the questions. We are all on Twitter, Facebook. We have the community team feed us the questions that you guys have. We want to give more closure, answer questions, fill in some of the unknowns, give the players a sense of personalization with the endings, many people mentioned that some of the choices that were within the game are not necessarily reflected in the ending scenes, we're definitely going to focus on things like that, we want to make sure that when you see the ending of Mass Effect you now have the information in the context to feel satisfied. "  

is this not enough?

[FabricatedWookie]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You remember how when we would try to discuss the endings with Retake folks and they'd just scream "You can't kill the Retake movement! Retake forever!" and we'd say "Yeah, uh, we don't have to. At some point, y'all are going to kill the movement all on your own, and we won't have a damn thing to do with it. We'll just sit here and eat popcorn and watch."

Well.

*sits down, munches on some popcorn, and watches*

Still a better ending than ME3?

[Edrick1976]

earthonline wrote...

Bioware already said they are working to bring closure and clarification to the ending:

Pax East 2012 Bioware and Mass Effect 3 Panel Part 2: Extended Cut DLC

Producer Mike Gamble: "
We wanted to clarify a number of things. That we actually answer the questions. We are all on Twitter, Facebook. We have the community team feed us the questions that you guys have. We want to give more closure, answer questions, fill in some of the unknowns, give the players a sense of personalization with the endings, many people mentioned that some of the choices that were within the game are not necessarily reflected in the ending scenes, we're definitely going to focus on things like that, we want to make sure that when you see the ending of Mass Effect you now have the information in the context to feel satisfied. "  

is this not enough?

We dont want " Closure and Clarification" we want the ending we where promassed.... Giving us Closure and Clarification too a peace of Poo still is leaves you a peace of POO....

Modifié par Edington, 10 avril 2012 - 07:27 .

[Street Ronin]

This is a terrible idea. If you want to waste a buttload of money, ****ing donate it to a charity instead. This will literally serve no purpose. You do realize that a physical billboard somewhere will do jack crap compared to the kind of attention RetakeME3 already gets on the internet, right? How will some soccer moms, truckers, and carpoolers change anything? Most of them probably don't even play video games.

EDIT:  Typos.

Modifié par Street Ronin, 10 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[Dracotyr]

fuk yea fight for what u believe in and dont give a damn about wht the haters have to say. thats wht we need more people willing to stand up and rage about the things tht make us go fuk tht sht. now if only we could implement this kind of motivation into all aspects of society instead of letting the sheep make all the decisions man what an awsome world tht would be. HOLD THE LINE.

[BiowareHeart]

Juromaro wrote...

BiowareHeart wrote...

Can we all calm down for a minute? (Ha, realize asking that in BSN forums is kind of like asking to win the lottery)

I understand where some of the ire is coming from, and while it might be more magnanimous to simply donate more money to charity... that's happening anyway with other initiatives such as save point and fullparagon.

But there's alot of skimming over the main issue occurring in this forum, and that is sliding right over what the DLC is all about. It's been said that it might fix the issue, but how many of you truly believe that by CLARIFICATION that really truly translates into: an end that doesn't stick it to all the fans months AFTER they were already disappointed by the end?

I don't believe that the Extended Cut will do anything BUT just that. And here's why: At best they created an ending that was so ambiguous that by not including gameplay post Shepard taking a breath and wakes up from being indoctrinated they released an unfinished game, and at worst, they wrote the ending to be the truth, and in fact released a game with an ending that threw the entire storyline under the bus. To clarify either will make everyone angry. And for those that fail to realize that? You're deluding yourselves, and I am sorry for that. Logically, to "clarify" leaves us with only two endings with the DLC they're offering, at which point, all the hope in the world won't fix that the game still screwed us over in the execution.

But back to the billboard... If they hadn't announced the DLC would you all still feel the same way about this particular course of action? Some of you may, in which case.. why are you in here in the first place? The best way to oppose this action? Don't give your money- and stop fanning the flames by posting at all. It just drives traffic to the concept.

But for those of you who would have been all for this pre-DLC announcement? Consider for a moment what possible reaction you're going to have when this "clarifying" DLC really comes out. Yeah- the indoctrination theory might pan out... but can you honestly say you'd be cool with having paid for an incomplete game and months of waiting on a response from the dev team? Doesn't the idea that they were cool with screwing us with this original ending in the first place leave a bad taste in your mouth?

Also- the idea of a billboard puts more pressure on the company and industry altogether. It drives traffic and interest in the cause and by gaining visibility, and might make some devs and companies think twice before releasing unfinished or sub-par content. Just... just calm down and consider what it might mean to do something like this. It could be an incredible move at helping the gamers gain a voice in the development of games before we launch headfirst into a more expensive era.

It can also have an adverse effect. People trying to sue me because the food my restaraunt makes people fat? Yet how many people still eat at a McDonalds on a daily basis?

Sometimes bad advertisements work in the favor of the company they are against. I just believe a billboard is a stupid idea since there are so many other options out there that would have a better desired effect.

I was about to start writing that I understand... but I guess I don't. I truly want to understand how this could have an adverse effect. Here's what I see: At the end of the day, those that don't get it are just going to keep calling us entitled whiners (something we've managed to deal with already ad nauseum) and it's kind of difficult to consider us a big bad monster because we're just a movement of people and not a multi-billion dollar corperation. We aren't sueing, and the FTC thing sort of blew over. Also- I think most of us aren't on the class Action suit campaign. I'd back out if that was the case... nevermind that it would be totally baseless. But I might be missing something, I'm human, I'm fallible, and I'd like to know why I'm wrong on this.

[Rynocerous]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

We're trying to prove a point. The point being that collectively, we'd rather flush our money down a toilet than be tempted to spend a dime on DLC, or another EA game.

Then you are all collectively either acting very foolishly or are missing your own point.  You cannot and will not force a gaming company to change it's actions based on the feedback of thousands or even tens of thousands when millions have purchased the game.

I find movements like this very amusing. Perhaps the cynic in me delights in the absurdity of the idea. "We're spending money on you to tell you that we're not going to spend any more money on you."

It's your money, and you can spend it how you like it, but I would think their DLC announcement should have cured people of this nonsense.

There is no IT theory.
There is no missing ending.
There is no magical fix.
They were rushed a bit to release it and there were some things that were not polished and complete as they should have been and now that the game is successful they are going to attend to that.

They are not, and have no intention, of bowing to the demands of a few thousand people out of millions. Nor should they. Your opinion is utterly, totally irrelevant in the face of the reality that millions of people bought the game.

I am not crass enough to name names but there is at least one person taking part in this ridiculous Retake movement who not six months ago was screamingly loudly they'd never buy anything else from EA including ME3. But they did.

We'll see who ends up buying what and how dedicated people are to their matryed feelings over a video game.

[jdi_knght]

lonedude73 wrote...

what if all of this happens, and they fail ? 

More like when. It's a losing proposition.

They need a fairly substantial amount of money, which is going to be tougher to solicit than say.... around the "cupcake" timeframe. A number of people simply wanted to be sure that BioWare knew about their discontent, and the cupcakes were a pretty clear message. Others were satisfied with PAX/DLC announcements. Still others have accepted that the ending probably won't ever be changed and have moved on. Quite simply, there's a much smaller pool of people to pull from. Getting people to cheer for your cause is one thing - getting them to pony up cash is quite another. Unless they have a couple people willing to shell out a few grand if necessary to meet their target, it's going to be rough.

If they don't get the funding they need, it has the potential to backfire. It'll look like people in general are content with the DLC &/or BioWare's handling of things. Because hey, if they were really still that upset, they'd have donated and the project would have been a success, right? That may or may not be the reality, but that's the way it'd look. The first failure generally puts the nail in the coffin for any future attempts too - the next time somebody puts together an attempt, the common reaction is "the last one failed, so why bother".


Even if they do manage to get the funding they need, and get the billboards, getting a positive outcome isn't likely. Look at it from BioWare's point of view - they already know many people aren't happy with the ending. They got cupcakes that essentially said "we love you guys, but we hate the ending". For a number of employees, the message probably came across subtly as "the ending your poured days/weeks/months of your life into was terrible", despite being dressed up nicely. And now they're going to have a billboard telling them the same thing on their drive into work? I'm sure that'll motivate them and brighten their day at the same time. I know a message reminding me that people thought something I did really sucked would make me work even harder to please them. But hey, I'm a people-pleaser.

BioWare's also been clear - they're creating a DLC. You can speculate all you want as to whether you'll like, tolerate, or hate it, but until you've seen it, you don't know with absolute certainty. If BioWare has faith in the DLC, they're going to wait until people have played it before considering other options. If it's not well-received, maybe they'll look at alternate-ending stuff (similar to extras on some DVD's), but they'll inevitably be watching forum/twitter/facebook/mail/etc for feedback. A billboard isn't going to change that.

BioWare knows it's a hot topic, a point of contention, and that people are heavily polarized over it. They don't need another huge gesture to notice. The cupcakes were more than enough. Beyond that, it's simply going to turn things into "us versus them". People are upset and being loud about it to make sure they're heard. That's fine. But being even louder about it gets you nowhere when they're already hearing you.


TLDR version: I'm against the billboard idea.

[HenchxNarf]

Rynocerous wrote...

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

We're trying to prove a point. The point being that collectively, we'd rather flush our money down a toilet than be tempted to spend a dime on DLC, or another EA game.

Then you are all collectively either acting very foolishly or are missing your own point.  You cannot and will not force a gaming company to change it's actions based on the feedback of thousands or even tens of thousands when millions have purchased the game.

I find movements like this very amusing. Perhaps the cynic in me delights in the absurdity of the idea. "We're spending money on you to tell you that we're not going to spend any more money on you."

It's your money, and you can spend it how you like it, but I would think their DLC announcement should have cured people of this nonsense.

There is no IT theory.
There is no missing ending.
There is no magical fix.
They were rushed a bit to release it and there were some things that were not polished and complete as they should have been and now that the game is successful they are going to attend to that.

They are not, and have no intention, of bowing to the demands of a few thousand people out of millions. Nor should they. Your opinion is utterly, totally irrelevant in the face of the reality that millions of people bought the game.

I am not crass enough to name names but there is at least one person taking part in this ridiculous Retake movement who not six months ago was screamingly loudly they'd never buy anything else from EA including ME3. But they did.

We'll see who ends up buying what and how dedicated people are to their matryed feelings over a video game.

LOGIC! YOU HAS IT!

I agree with this SFM.

[aznsoisauce]

Juromaro wrote...

Maybe not 16 endings but there are 13 possible endings. Sure the endings all end the same, but so do the endings in the other 2 games http://social.biowar.../index/11056958 is a list of the endings. I mean it's impossible to have 16 entirely different endings, but 16 endings that have different content sure.....which is what they do provide so not really a lie on their part.

I'm going to have to settle with agreeing to disagree on whatever we're discussing because I was trying to argue something that I personally don't necessarily agree with. Failed attempt on my part, methinks.

[hangmans tree]

For all pro and against. This is an option I suppose. If extended cut wont bring anything new to the table then TBM can go with the original plan. If extended cut delivers they can change it to 'Thanks BW', no?

And I think this is a great inspired movement. At the least some creativity is poured in the 'dialogue' (right now it's sorta monologue). I feel that this might break the sterotype that gamers are passive consumers and companies can get away with anything they wanna push through.

Internet is a powerfull tool. You can bring down gouvernments with its help.

EA will have to notice somethings wrong in their plan when it turns up that the movement associates ten of thousands displeased gamers... ten of thousands consumers/buyers they are loosing. Multiply it by the price of the next DLC or next BW/EA title and what you get is a staggering sum.
Plus you are loosing a huge part of the 'vocal minority'. Yes, VOCAL. Which amounts to 'preachers' or 'apostoles' irl. You lose this minority and you lose tweets, blogs, fanart, fanfiction, convents, meetings, word of mouth recommendations. If they cant see this as a bad business - there are halfwits and imbeciles at the helm - sorry, no other option to call it really.

The .xcl sheet in EA offices will show it eventually.

At least one can hope.

[BiowareHeart]

Juromaro wrote...

BiowareHeart wrote...



I was about to start writing that I understand... but I guess I don't. I truly want to understand how this could have an adverse effect. Here's what I see: At the end of the day, those that don't get it are just going to keep calling us entitled whiners (something we've managed to deal with already ad nauseum) and it's kind of difficult to consider us a big bad monster because we're just a movement of people and not a multi-billion dollar corperation. We aren't sueing, and the FTC thing sort of blew over. Also- I think most of us aren't on the class Action suit campaign. I'd back out if that was the case... nevermind that it would be totally baseless. But I might be missing something, I'm human, I'm fallible, and I'd like to know why I'm wrong on this.

A billboard decrying the endings of a video game would make some people play that game to find out what all the fuss is. Take facebook games for example. I would hear in the gaming community that they are not real games, they are stupid and they suck. But one day my ex-wife sent me a request for cityville and I decided to try it because i heard about Zynga through all the hate threads and got addicted to it for months. I even spent some cash on their currency.

Just like when someone says don't try this, some people feel the urge to try it. Not everyone hates the endings, not everyone hates the game. I mean even WoW is the target for a majority of all MMO hate, yet for some reason regardless of how many people hate it and bash it they still have more active subscribers than any MMO in the history of gaming.

All right, I am going through previous posts on this thread I am finding that you just like arguing for the sake of arguing, which doesn't really give you any credit, unfortunately in any of the responses you issue from here on out. But for the sake of civility I'm not going to wholly discount your response, I'm just going to give it a cursory go here and then go to bed...

I personally don't mind if people play ME3. heck, I even encourage it at this point because the more people that it dissappoints, the more incentive those that build it have to fix it. After all, isn't a lifetime of consumer loyalty worth more than one used copy of ME3? 

Also, yeah, not everyone hates the endings... but again... if they do, why bother with responding to a thread about something they disagree with? Doesnt it make MORE sense to simply let it fall in the ratings? Truth is dude, you're not changing anyone's mind tonight, nor am I going to change yours. All I can really hope for is possibly distracting you for a few brief moments while those engaged in more meaningful discourse get on with their business. I'm going to bed... you've given me a headache.

[darkshadow136]

Sorry the Billboard Idea is not something I can back. It is silly. I support the #ReTakeMassEffect movement, and the cupcakes was a cute way of making our point, and in history a good old way to protest. You give to get so to speak, by softening peoples moods you are protesting.

Protest through civil discourse, positive campaigns that don't make us look idiotic I can support. But a Billboard campaign which few people even pay attention to today is a waste of time in my eyes.

[aznsoisauce]

hangmans tree wrote...

For all pro and against. This is an option I suppose. If extended cut wont bring anything new to the table then TBM can go with the original plan. If extended cut delivers they can change it to 'Thanks BW', no?

And I think this is a great inspired movement. At the least some creativity is poured in the 'dialogue' (right now it's sorta monologue). I feel that this might break the sterotype that gamers are passive consumers and companies can get away with anything they wanna push through.

Internet is a powerfull tool. You can bring down gouvernments with its help.

EA will have to notice somethings wrong in their plan when it turns up that the movement associates ten of thousands displeased gamers... ten of thousands consumers/buyers they are loosing. Multiply it by the price of the next DLC or next BW/EA title and what you get is a staggering sum.
Plus you are loosing a huge part of the 'vocal minority'. Yes, VOCAL. Which amounts to 'preachers' or 'apostoles' irl. You lose this minority and you lose tweets, blogs, fanart, fanfiction, convents, meetings, word of mouth recommendations. If they cant see this as a bad business - there are halfwits and imbeciles at the helm - sorry, no other option to call it really.

The .xcl sheet in EA offices will show it eventually.

At least one can hope.

I sincerely hope you do not get banned for this post.
You are actually contributing to the conversation.

Edit: Unlike me. 

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 10 avril 2012 - 07:57 .

[Dracotyr]

Rynocerous wrote...

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

We're trying to prove a point. The point being that collectively, we'd rather flush our money down a toilet than be tempted to spend a dime on DLC, or another EA game.

Then you are all collectively either acting very foolishly or are missing your own point.  You cannot and will not force a gaming company to change it's actions based on the feedback of thousands or even tens of thousands when millions have purchased the game.

I find movements like this very amusing. Perhaps the cynic in me delights in the absurdity of the idea. "We're spending money on you to tell you that we're not going to spend any more money on you."

It's your money, and you can spend it how you like it, but I would think their DLC announcement should have cured people of this nonsense.

There is no IT theory.
There is no missing ending.
There is no magical fix.
They were rushed a bit to release it and there were some things that were not polished and complete as they should have been and now that the game is successful they are going to attend to that.

They are not, and have no intention, of bowing to the demands of a few thousand people out of millions. Nor should they. Your opinion is utterly, totally irrelevant in the face of the reality that millions of people bought the game.

I am not crass enough to name names but there is at least one person taking part in this ridiculous Retake movement who not six months ago was screamingly loudly they'd never buy anything else from EA including ME3. But they did.

We'll see who ends up buying what and how dedicated people are to their matryed feelings over a video game.

you my good man would make an awsome dictator. i mean just read your post. shtin on the little man every step of the way crushing their hopes and dreams while your at it. BRAVO INDEED BRAVO

[Rynocerous]

darkshadow136 wrote...

Sorry the Billboard Idea is not something I can back. It is silly. I support the #ReTakeMassEffect movement, and the cupcakes was a cute way of making our point, and in history a good old way to protest. You give to get so to speak, by softening peoples moods you are protesting.

Protest through civil discourse, positive campaigns that don't make us look idiotic I can support. But a Billboard campaign which few people even pay attention to today is a waste of time in my eyes.

I do not think, at any point, this has ever been about civil discourse, sadly.

The people who are complaining are not, as public media easily demarks them as, entitled whiners. "Entitlement" is a very dangerous word coming from any major media or corporate figure, as if anyone is entitled it is surely those mega corporations who use money and influence to pry the levers of government from the hands of the people.

Civil discourse would be trying to understand the position Bioware is operating from. People don't want to do that. They do not want to hear why the ending is the way it is. They don't want to accept it. They feel they were told that Bioware was giving them an ending THEY wanted.

Bioware has not locked down these kinds of threads because the more these people rail, the more ridiculous they make themselves look, which is  sad, because some of them have very good points that are lost in ...

*snorts* tilting at billboards.

[HolyAvenger]

I realistically can't see BioWare doing anything as drastic as completely re-doing the ending to remove the Catalyst, or add in an extra Refuse option or anything like that. The clarification DLC is all we will get.

Think the re-takers are just wasting their time and money at this point.