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[Drake_Hound]

Why american internet consumers have spoken

http://consumerist.c...eath-match.html

That against a company who charges you 5 dollar to access your own money .

Sorry people say people don´t have power cause they don´t want power .
People want to live there own destiny there is nothing bad with that .
Till you are awoken rudely from your slumber .

[shootist70]

I'm hoping this whole Retake thing fizzles out and ends up being seen as a bit of a joke. The only statement it really makes is about sense of entitlement and fan obsession, and is a bit of an embarassment to gamers.

An artist has a right to create a work as they envision it, and anybody who doesn't like that work should simply leave their critique and move on. It's a bit worrying when obsessed fans are muscling their way into the creative process - I wouldn't trust most of the guys here to write a shopping list, never mind a major title.

[Drake_Hound]

There is a difference between entitlement , and asking bioware to do the right thing .
there is difference between a one man show and a team show .
An artist has the right to create the work and has to accept the critisme , if nobody criticise a artist Who is to say he is a artist ?

All those defense argument brought up but some of them are good , it seems momentum is over .
Why is it over cause people have accepted the ending and decide to fade away from this game .
Those who didn´t like the ending and accept the next rubbishe bioware feed them .

Sadly instead of growing numbers Bioware is going to get declining numbers .
Same way westwood did every other company under EA control .
That is it , end of story ...

[hangmans tree]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I realistically can't see BioWare doing anything as drastic as completely re-doing the ending to remove the Catalyst, or add in an extra Refuse option or anything like that. The clarification DLC is all we will get.

Think the re-takers are just wasting their time and money at this point.

I think they are not. A simple exertion of... power?
THey want to show EA they can do with the money, which  could be spent on ME franchise, whatever they want. And in this case is to fuel a movement.

Somewhere between the line I see parallel to sports 'industry'. Somewhere, sometime, somehow came big money and competition and fair play ended.

To be frank, do you know any other labels/brands in gaming that generated fans as strongly passionate about endings?

[shootist70]

Drake_Hound wrote...

There is a difference between entitlement , and asking bioware to do the right thing .
there is difference between a one man show and a team show .
An artist has the right to create the work and has to accept the critisme , if nobody criticise a artist Who is to say he is a artist ?

All artists become accustomed to criticism, and most welcome it when it's constructive. Yet this has gone beyond simple criticism, and is more of an attempt to move the creative process beyond the artist's control and into the audience's. That's wrong. It's a little obnoxious when obsessive fans start calling the shots because of a sense of entitlement, because the integrity of the creative process is more important than that, even if many of the products that flow from it aren't worth much in themselves. Obsessed fans have no right to tarnish that integrity, no matter how worked up about a product they get.

'Artistic integrity' refers to the integrity of the creative process, rather than of the product or the producer, and that's all that Bioware meant when they referred to it. It was the nutball fans here that imagined that concept as some lofty literary ideal and got all worked up about it.

Modifié par shootist70, 10 avril 2012 - 08:43 .

[HolyAvenger]

hangmans tree wrote...
]I think they are not. A simple exertion of... power?
THey want to show EA they can do with the money, which  could be spent on ME franchise, whatever they want. And in this case is to fuel a movement.

What are they showing? No DLC is released for sale as yet.  EA have no sales drop to compare anything to. Look, I get it. I was disappointed with DA2, I didn't buy the DLC. That's fine. That's how the market works.

I'm now very unclear as to goals of the movement, and don't believe it will have any impact beyond what its already had (the clarification DLC).

[FabricatedWookie]

Juromaro wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

Juromaro wrote...


Sovereign could be explained by the actions of the Protheans blocking the signal of the citadel, cause if you look Sov is at the same place the Cruicible attaches itself to, The Reapers saying they are their own can also be explained by the Geth....They too believe they are their own. Most being controlled do I.E the ending of ME3.


Though I will admit I was a little irked about the Reapers not being what 2 games set them out to be, but not that irked.

  That explains sovereign, but we are saying a "god like entity" can't control its own home and call the reapers in from deep space. They are its solution after all. if the reapers are being controlled, and they are created by the catalyst...why...did...they...not...rebel? *turns to the ghost child* Isn't it true MR. CATALYST, if that is even your real name, that ALL created, rebel against their CREATORS?!

the defense rests, I drop my mic.

But the catalyst has limitations of it's own. He even states it in game that the crucible changed him. He tried to call the Reapers back from darkspace, hence the entire plot of ME1, but he couldn't because of what the Protheans did. I'm not saying it's not confusing to understand and I do hope the extended dlc will shed light on some of these questions but that doesn't make the endings a bad ending.

that means that the catalyst lives inside every reaper as well as the citadel, since socereign is acting as his "arm." If the catalyst couldn't send the signal being in the citadel, why would sovereign's physical presence suddenly be able to send the signal?

  These questions do make it a bad ending. When you trip up on your own lore that is bad writing. Which is why you have other people read it so they will notice it.  A song of ice and fire takes so long because the guy has to have dedicated staff fact checking all the relationships he has created. Bioware failed to even protect a basic relationship people were able to see within minutes of witnessing the end of the game.

[Zeratul20]

Please don't do this. This is getting out of hand.
The people you wanted to reach, have already been reached. It's your money, but you're really just wasting it now. The cupcake thing was cool, but spending 34.000 USD (worst case scenario) on a citywide billboard campaign? That's a bit excessive. Heck, that's almost half of what you guys collected for child's play, which was a charity drive. Don't devalue that donation like this.

[Beta-Breech]

Way too far. This has gone from a protest to a slander campaign. This won't force Bioware hand it'll just make those who started this cause look petty and immature.

Congrats.

[Accelbattera]

shootist70 wrote...
All artists become accustomed to criticism, and most welcome it when it's constructive. Yet this has gone beyond simple criticism, and is more of an attempt to move the creative process beyond the artist's control and into the audience's. That's wrong, It's a little obnoxious when obsessive fans start calling the shots because of a sense of entitlement, because the creative process is worth more than that, even if many of the products that flow from it aren't worth much in themselves. Obsessed fans have no right to tarnish that, no matter how worked up about a product they get.

As I said, an artist has a right to keep their work as they envisioned it, if they choose, and that's all that Bioware meant when they referred to 'artistic integrity'. It was the nutball fans here that imagined that concept as some lofty literary ideal and got all worked up about it.

Look, the game isn't art. Do artists, when delivering their works to you, demand 15 bucks more for a couple more brush strokes? You're doing artists everywhere a disservice by calling this moneygrabbing product art.

[shootist70]

Accelbattera wrote...


Look, the game isn't art. Do artists, when delivering their works to you, demand 15 bucks more for a couple more brush strokes? You're doing artists everywhere a disservice by calling this moneygrabbing product art.

Whoever said art was an altruistic, pure and wholesome endeavour? Where the hell does this idea come from? 'Artist's' have been producing works purely to service their audience for centuries, and not always for the 'nobility' of artistic merit.

Art has always been a minefield of cynical practise, and it's up to the audience to educate themselves so they can identify when they're being manipulated. Your power is then through your wallet, and not by bullying your way into the creative process - it's THAT that does artists everywhere a disservice.

Modifié par shootist70, 10 avril 2012 - 08:57 .

[hangmans tree]

besides, it only takes 6400 people donating 5$ to raise 32 000$.

When ppl argued they dont like the DA dlc and that it was too expensive for the content included most of 'defenders' said 'c'mon' its only 5 dollars'...

So: c'mon, ppl have the right to spend 5$ whichever they like, right?

[KeilxKey]

hangmans tree wrote...

besides, it only takes 6400 people donating 5$ to raise 32 000$.

When ppl argued they dont like the DA dlc and that it was too expensive for the content included most of 'defenders' said 'c'mon' its only 5 dollars'...

So: c'mon, ppl have the right to spend 5$ whichever they like, right?

exactly

[xkg]

Is anyone taking retakers seriously anymore ?
They are worth a few laughs here and there. Nothing more.

[Calmb4tehpwn]

The HTL group is reviewing the division in interest in this thread. We will be reviewing and consulting the community very soon as to whether or not we will be pushing forward with this campaign. Please be patient as we find where the community stands on this issue.

[Grimskull89]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

The HTL group is reviewing the division in interest in this thread. We will be reviewing and consulting the community very soon as to whether or not we will be pushing forward with this campaign. Please be patient as we find where the community stands on this issue.

Ahh you must be Michael. An easier approach would be to add a No option to the entire idea in the poll.

Also, Jim is still talking to people in the thread he created. Should probably get him out of there....

Modifié par Grimskull89, 10 avril 2012 - 09:48 .

[Ratakresch]

If you're passionate about the ME franchise why not voice your dissatisfaction if it doesn't hold up to the standard it created? We've seen it with Mass Effect: Deception - the fan outcry there wasn't ridiculed - no one spoke of 'artistic integrity', because it had neither integrity nor was it artistic. In my opinion same goes for the Mass Effect 3 Ending - compared to the rest of the series it feels like an insult. Would have loved the IT mind blowing conclusion - but it seems so distant now...

[Laurencio]

Ratakresch wrote...

If you're passionate about the ME franchise why not voice your dissatisfaction if it doesn't hold up to the standard it created? We've seen it with Mass Effect: Deception - the fan outcry there wasn't ridiculed - no one spoke of 'artistic integrity', because it had neither integrity nor was it artistic. In my opinion same goes for the Mass Effect 3 Ending - compared to the rest of the series it feels like an insult. Would have loved the IT mind blowing conclusion - but it seems so distant now...

Yeah, but pulp fiction and video game epic is a tad different in scope and quality.

[Shifty Assassin]

I don't think this would change their minds but good luck anyway.

[Ratakresch]

Laurencio wrote...

Yeah, but pulp fiction and video game epic is a tad different in scope and quality.

Does that stop you to voice your dissatisfaction any way you seem fit? If the scope and quality is bigger does it not justify a louder voice?

[GDragonFly7]

This whole ending hate is starting to go too far... waste of time and money. You're overdoing it - people will stop taking you seriously. If it's gonna change anything, it will be for worse.

[Calmb4tehpwn]

Grimskull89 wrote...

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

The HTL group is reviewing the division in interest in this thread. We will be reviewing and consulting the community very soon as to whether or not we will be pushing forward with this campaign. Please be patient as we find where the community stands on this issue.

Ahh you must be Michael. An easier approach would be to add a No option to the entire idea in the poll.

Also, Jim is still talking to people in the thread he created. Should probably get him out of there....

I don't have any control over Jim, or the things he does. I'm doing what I can to keep the community from falling apart. As a member of Retake, it's my duty to keep it as something sembling unity. I undertook this project as a chance for the community to unify after the FB fiasco, to find that most of HTL wanted to be a part of it, but those that did not were adamant enough to leave the group over it.

It would be callouse to call this a net loss, but what it boils down to is that it's the last thing we've wanted from the beginning, and know that we are taking into account people's concerns over it.

I hope we can stay civil over this, and make no attacks on one another. No matter your camp, we're all fans of both game and franchise.

[sackyhack]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

know that we are taking into account people's concerns over it.

I hope we can stay civil over this, and make no attacks on one another.

That sure sounds familiar.  So when Bioware says this, they're lying, but when you say it you're a paragon of true fandom fighting for a better ending?

[hangmans tree]

I dont get the whole 'camp' thing. Many ppl I know of are signed to FB, HTL and some others sites as well.
So in whose interest is to force ppl into camps as 'oficial' or 'unofficial'? Not Retake movement's thats for sure.

[Agent_Dark_]

I support this billboard for the endless amount of E-drama lols it will provide me over the next few weeks.

Carry on.