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[DJBare]

KeilxKey wrote...
We are helping to fund the billboard simply because we hate the upcoming ending dlc. We don't WANT THAT. We want a revised ending. Until then our group will hold the line/

Look, I really am trying to help here, but you cite Retake like everyone wants this, this thread has shown that not to be the case, that's why I said a consesus should have been reached before moving ahead.

[KeilxKey]

eddieoctane wrote...

I remember proposing this idea a while ago. Not sure if I inspired the OP, but nice to see someone running with the idea.

If anything, I'd try to focus heavily on EA. They control the purse strings and can order BioWare back to work. A billboard that the CEO of EA ends up seeing every day on his way to the office will have an impact. BioWare seems to think the game is perfect as is, so I wouldn't waste my time on them.

Our thoughts exactly. 

 An yes, you DID INDEED INSPIRE US. Thank you my friend. 

[Torrible]

KeilxKey wrote...

Yell loud enough and someone will eventually hear you. The ending dlc proved that. Now we just have to yell louder. 

I have no words for this. 

[KeilxKey]

DJBare wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...
We are helping to fund the billboard simply because we hate the upcoming ending dlc. We don't WANT THAT. We want a revised ending. Until then our group will hold the line/

Look, I really am trying to help here, but you cite Retake like everyone wants this, this thread has shown that not to be the case, that's why I said a consesus should have been reached before moving ahead.

I've seen countless posts in the various thread that they do want this. 

 There'll never be a general consesus. An we don't really care for one either. You either support the cause, or you don't. 

[HenchxNarf]

Torrible wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

Yell loud enough and someone will eventually hear you. The ending dlc proved that. Now we just have to yell louder. 

I have no words for this. 

How about "crossed the line"?

[Calbeb]

KeilxKey wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

@jules vern

Cupcakes were humor; this is needless fuel being thrown on the fire in the wake of a free dlc announcement pertaining to the ending, which people protested for in a generally civil manner.

And because the free dlc isn't what you wanted, after everything people went through to get that, you believe a billboard will get you what exactly you want?

As for contributing, I'm doing so for the sole purpose of being able to say I didn't support this uf it happens and to urge people who have been proud of the movement so far to do the same.

Yell loud enough and someone will eventually hear you. The ending dlc proved that. Now we just have to yell louder. 

They did hear you. If you keep yelling though, at some point people will just go "oh this is now an obnoxious minority", and stop listening.

Bioware's ending DLC seems like an attempt to meet people halfway. If you aren't okay with that, because you wanted something very specific, that sucks. At that point though, it's not their problem. If you read this thread, it's pretty clear that people are either evenly split against this, or weighted against it. That is in direct contrast with other Retake actions. It's pretty clear there is no longer an argument that it is the "vocal majority".

Do what you want with your money and time, but it seems like you are more likely to turn people off from your point than win anyone over.

[Eterna]

KeilxKey wrote...

DJBare wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...
We are helping to fund the billboard simply because we hate the upcoming ending dlc. We don't WANT THAT. We want a revised ending. Until then our group will hold the line/

Look, I really am trying to help here, but you cite Retake like everyone wants this, this thread has shown that not to be the case, that's why I said a consesus should have been reached before moving ahead.

I've seen countless posts in the various thread that they do want this. 

 There'll never be a general consesus. An we don't really care for one either. You either support the cause, or you don't. 

 Oh? And who named you retake queen?  You don't speak for the cause, you're only speaking for yourself. 

[PsyrenY]

This nonsense is reflecting badly on all of us. For the love of Triton, just chill out.

I know you won't but had to try.

[GBGriffin]

@ OP

Why not wait until the dlc is released and you can point to what specifically you don't like through a cobstructive response and, if necessary, a civil protest like what we've seen in general so far?

If this is what holding the line has been twisted to mean, I urge people to stop holding it. Funding a billboard over unreleased free dlc that doesn't match exactly what you wanted isn't holding anything sort if line.

This, unlike charity, is not something to be proud of.

[KeilxKey]

Torrible wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

Yell loud enough and someone will eventually hear you. The ending dlc proved that. Now we just have to yell louder. 

I have no words for this. 

Thanks for the feedback!

[DJBare]

KeilxKey wrote...
There'll never be a general consesus. An we don't really care for one either. You either support the cause, or you don't

Fair enough, good luck with your endeavor.

[KeilxKey]

GBGriffin wrote...

@ OP

Why not wait until the dlc is released and you can point to what specifically you don't like through a cobstructive response and, if necessary, a civil protest like what we've seen in general so far?

If this is what holding the line has been twisted to mean, I urge people to stop holding it. Funding a billboard over unreleased free dlc that doesn't match exactly what you wanted isn't holding anything sort if line.

This, unlike charity, is not something to be proud of.

 Because Bioware has specifically said that the ending dlc is aimed to fix the plot holes that were seen throughout the ending. We could care less about that. 

[gurg13]

Creepy.

[KeilxKey]

DJBare wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...
There'll never be a general consesus. An we don't really care for one either. You either support the cause, or you don't

Fair enough, good luck with your endeavor.

Thankyou good sir. I appreciate your respectful reply compared to some others here.

[KeilxKey]

Optimystic_X wrote...

This nonsense is reflecting badly on all of us. For the love of Triton, just chill out.

I know you won't but had to try.

What nonsense? Doing what we feel is right? You don't have to support us, but please don't simply call it nonsense. 

[HoustonDragon]

*Sigh* Humanity at its finest. Seriously, think how silly this is starting to look and sound. "I'm unhappy with how they did the ending to my ENTERTAINMENT!" "Ok, we'll expand it a bit, explain more what we meant to say for everyone." "NO! I WANT A NEW ENDING AND I'M GONNA SUE/PROTEST/WHATEVER UNTIL YOU LISTEN TO ME AND ME ONLY!"

If there was as much support for it, I'm pretty damn sure EA would be out there re-releasing ME3 by now. The ending has its fans, its supporters, its distractors and its outright enemies. But ultimately, it's the ending to a GAME. This is not deciding world peace. It's not deciding health care. Hell, it's not even deciding a real life issue that's potentially going to lead to the prevention of suffering for someone.

You saw an ending YOU didn't like in a video game. That's it. The same ending that some folks -DO- like, including apparently the actual writer/director of the game, for the company who actually OWNS the copyrights and IP for the entire series. Take the money and use it for something actually worthwhile, and yeah, if you want to slap the whole "Retake ME" thing on it for publicity, more power to you. This just screams of desperation and frankly, at the risk of being insulting, massive nerd raging. You're even making the nerds of us look bad in the general public. Way to go.

[AngryFrozenWater]

GBGriffin wrote...

@ AngryFrozenWater

My concern is that this will reflect negatively on the fanbase as a whole. Look what one user's FTC complaint did. This is fans reacting to the announcement of free dlc that might or might nit be good.

This is ridiculous, and, again, if you're proud of the charity work, tell people about that, but try to distance yourself from this.

And that's a reason to do nothing?

Might or might not be good? This is the problem: The 3 choices do not make sense. Clarifying something that does not make sense doesn't turn it into sense. So, the DLC with that goal is nothing more than a waste of time and resources for BW. Turn the that same energy into an ending that does make sense and people start gaining faith in BW again. It is as simple as that.

[jules_vern18]

GBGriffin wrote...

@jules vern

Cupcakes were humor; this is needless fuel being thrown on the fire in the wake of a free dlc announcement pertaining to the ending, which people protested for in a generally civil manner.

And because the free dlc isn't what you wanted, after everything people went through to get that, you believe a billboard will get you what exactly you want?

As for contributing, I'm doing so for the sole purpose of being able to say I didn't support this uf it happens and to urge people who have been proud of the movement so far to do the same.

But you've already given your answer:  you think we should all "wait and see" until it's too late and the problem is "solved" by dlc that we already know will not substantively change the nature of these nonsensical endings.  Having respect for a "movement" is about more than just agreeing with it's methods; it's about standing behind what that movement is fighting for in the first place.

It's a hyperbolic analogy, but what if England had appeased the Boston Tea Party protesters by changing tax policies on coffee?  And then former members were upset at those still protesting because they wouldn't just "wait and see" if the changes would affect tea prices. 

Again, it's a tongue-in-cheek analogy, but it serves my point:  if Bioware actually addressed our concerns or at least opened a more honest dialogue about them, I don't think any of this would be a problem in the first place.

[Aetika]

KeilxKey wrote...

Aetika wrote...

I think they know exactly what we want. They are working on it and we have no idea what it will be like until summer. This seems quite pointless at the moment.

They are simply fixing the plotholes of a already horrible ending.

Great, the plotholes are fixed, some extra scenes are added. Everyone still dies. The galaxy is still lost. The concept of the ending in itself, even without the plotholes is just plain horrible...in my opinion.

We DON´T KNOW, what will be fixed. They may add cutscenes showing Shepard alive, Bailey and Kelly Chamber walking out of Citadel, galaxy rebuilding relays, quarians making it home...whatever. We simply don´t know. And to be honest, I don´t think they have to sacrifice their vision, if they will be able to make current ending logical and satisfying, giving the series replay value. But again, we don´t know almost anything at this point. You are "yelling" for complete rewrite, because that´s what part of Retake movement consider best course of action. But most importantly, you doomed extended cut before you even gave it chance. I´m sorry, but I won´t support that.

[GBGriffin]

@DJBare

Yeah, if this is the new face if Retake...it's lost my support, and I urge anyone who doesn't want to be associated with this level of extremism to make it clear that Retake isn't speaking for you (if you still want to be associated with it in light of this) or, if you must do something, throw your support behind (with)hold the wallet, a more civil response.

[CavScout]

KeilxKey wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

@ OP

Why not wait until the dlc is released and you can point to what specifically you don't like through a cobstructive response and, if necessary, a civil protest like what we've seen in general so far?

If this is what holding the line has been twisted to mean, I urge people to stop holding it. Funding a billboard over unreleased free dlc that doesn't match exactly what you wanted isn't holding anything sort if line.

This, unlike charity, is not something to be proud of.

 Because Bioware has specifically said that the ending dlc is aimed to fix the plot holes that were seen throughout the ending. We could care less about that. 

Weren't plot holes often cited by the Retake movement? Why is fixing these something you "could care less about"?

[Helishorn]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Oh? And who named you retake queen?  You don't speak for the cause, you're only speaking for yourself. 

Cant say i agree with what she is doing or even respect it as i do belive it will just bring a bunch of negitive press to the movememnt. I however dont think being mean to someone who is obviously just trying to help in her/his/its own way constructive at all.

As for who named her retake queen..Ill put my vote in for her..so thats one atleast

[KeilxKey]

They did hear you. If you keep yelling though, at some point people will just go "oh this is now an obnoxious minority", and stop listening.

Bioware's ending DLC seems like an attempt to meet people halfway. If you aren't okay with that, because you wanted something very specific, that sucks. At that point though, it's not their problem. If you read this thread, it's pretty clear that people are either evenly split against this, or weighted against it. That is in direct contrast with other Retake actions. It's pretty clear there is no longer an argument that it is the "vocal majority".

Do what you want with your money and time, but it seems like you are more likely to turn people off from your point than win anyone over.

In our opinion they clearly didn't. We hate ALL OF THE ENDING. We want a total revision. We are this passionate because we have been engaged with the franchise for countless years, and have spent 100's of hours, and 100's of dollars with dlc. We love this series, and the ending we will get..even if it's nicely paved over with fixed for the plotholes will still NOT be enough. This is end to the game we know and love. The ending, even if it had no plotholes would still do no justice to our beloved franchise. 

[KeilxKey]

CavScout wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

@ OP

Why not wait until the dlc is released and you can point to what specifically you don't like through a cobstructive response and, if necessary, a civil protest like what we've seen in general so far?

If this is what holding the line has been twisted to mean, I urge people to stop holding it. Funding a billboard over unreleased free dlc that doesn't match exactly what you wanted isn't holding anything sort if line.

This, unlike charity, is not something to be proud of.

 Because Bioware has specifically said that the ending dlc is aimed to fix the plot holes that were seen throughout the ending. We could care less about that. 

Weren't plot holes often cited by the Retake movement? Why is fixing these something you "could care less about"?

We don't like the concept of the ending in general. The ending was the product of a rushed time table, clearly proven by the developers. The ending was never well thoughout, and the ending was never properly sat down with all the writers, and given proper discussion and feedback amongst them.

 

[JordaJ320]

I hated the endings, I didn't understand anything and it felt out of context for me. If they want to kill off Shepherd fine, but really what happened with TIM and Anderson at the end... I just don't understand. That being said your EXTREME USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS in the title of this thread is a bit much.