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[KeilxKey]

GBGriffin wrote...

@DJBare

Yeah, if this is the new face if Retake...it's lost my support, and I urge anyone who doesn't want to be associated with this level of extremism to make it clear that Retake isn't speaking for you (if you still want to be associated with it in light of this) or, if you must do something, throw your support behind (with)hold the wallet, a more civil response.

The new face of retake? No. We are simply following a campaign that our community (hold the line) best see fit. If you don't like it, then that's perfectly fine. 

I'm not speaking behalf of all of retake. I'm speaking behalf a small community that believe this project is in our best interests. 

[Calbeb]

KeilxKey wrote...

They did hear you. If you keep yelling though, at some point people will just go "oh this is now an obnoxious minority", and stop listening.

Bioware's ending DLC seems like an attempt to meet people halfway. If you aren't okay with that, because you wanted something very specific, that sucks. At that point though, it's not their problem. If you read this thread, it's pretty clear that people are either evenly split against this, or weighted against it. That is in direct contrast with other Retake actions. It's pretty clear there is no longer an argument that it is the "vocal majority".

Do what you want with your money and time, but it seems like you are more likely to turn people off from your point than win anyone over.

In our opinion they clearly didn't. We hate ALL OF THE ENDING. We want a total revision. We are this passionate because we have been engaged with the franchise for countless years, and have spent 100's of hours, and 100's of dollars with dlc. We love this series, and the ending we will get..even if it's nicely paved over with fixed for the plotholes will still NOT be enough. This is end to the game we know and love. The ending, even if it had no plotholes would still do no justice to our beloved franchise. 

You aren't the movement Kelix. Don't say we for every comment you make. The Retakers had a vast amount of different desires, and not all of them wanted a brand new ending. There are many people happy to see clarification and closure to some plot arcs that have been important throughout.

If you, and some others really think that's not enough, fine. If you want to get a billboard to make your point, cool. But I think it's pretty clear a lot of people on here don't think that is the best move. It's not good when the people IN your movement start jumping ship, and it probably should make you reconsider your actions in the hope of finding a popular outlet.

That's imo. All the power to you.

Modifié par Calbeb, 10 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Silpheed58]

Also, have you thought about the fact that since you posted this plan Bioware/EA now knows of it and can take actions to prepare to not deal with it.

A.) They can choose to purposefully ignore the signs as it wont be a surprise.
B.) Buy up the ad space around their offices so you can't put your signs up for a while.

[HoustonDragon]

KeilxKey wrote...

In our opinion they clearly didn't. We hate ALL OF THE ENDING. We want a total revision. We are this passionate because we have been engaged with the franchise for countless years, and have spent 100's of hours, and 100's of dollars with dlc. We love this series, and the ending we will get..even if it's nicely paved over with fixed for the plotholes will still NOT be enough. This is end to the game we know and love. The ending, even if it had no plotholes would still do no justice to our beloved franchise. 

So, again, forget anyone else who may actually have liked parts of the ending, or who wanted to see the expansion of the plotlines and whatnot. It's pretty damn arrogant to claim that you speak for me, or for everyone out there who purchased ME3, and who potentially spent the same "$100s of dollars" as you put it on the same games, DLC and the rest of the ME franchise.

Their DLC shows they're willing to listen and compromise with fans. That doesn't mean that Bioware is also responsible to completely change their directive outcome based on YOUR singular opinion. Don't want to support them in the future; don't buy their products anymore. I prefer to see what they release in the summer before jumping half-cocked off to a conclusion.

[KeilxKey]

JordaJ320 wrote...

I hated the endings, I didn't understand anything and it felt out of context for me. If they want to kill off Shepherd fine, but really what happened with TIM and Anderson at the end... I just don't understand. That being said your EXTREME USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS in the title of this thread is a bit much.

Sorry about that. Was hoping to get the attention of the readers.

[jules_vern18]

GBGriffin wrote...

@DJBare

Yeah, if this is the new face if Retake...it's lost my support, and I urge anyone who doesn't want to be associated with this level of extremism to make it clear that Retake isn't speaking for you (if you still want to be associated with it in light of this) or, if you must do something, throw your support behind (with)hold the wallet, a more civil response.

lol, renting a billboard is "extremism." 

So sending 1k worth of cupcakes is "humorous" (your words), but spending 9k on a billboard is extreme.

What a fine, nuanced line we must walk, eh?

[PsyrenY]

KeilxKey wrote...

What nonsense? Doing what we feel is right? You don't have to support us, but please don't simply call it nonsense. 

As a Mass Effect fan, this nonsense is making me and others like me guilty by association. At the very least, if you get any press coverage at all, they will lump you in with "the Retake Mass Effect Movement" despite several posts in this very thread confirming you're a splinter group at best and acting unilaterally at worst.

And the next time a game's fanbase has legitimate grievances against its content providers, a guy at Forbes will want to run the story, only to have his editor reply "who, those kids? They're not worth the keystrokes it would take to cover them. You can blog about that stuff all you want but don't put it on the main site."

If the DLC is not to your liking, complain then.

[HenchxNarf]

HoustonDragon wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

In our opinion they clearly didn't. We hate ALL OF THE ENDING. We want a total revision. We are this passionate because we have been engaged with the franchise for countless years, and have spent 100's of hours, and 100's of dollars with dlc. We love this series, and the ending we will get..even if it's nicely paved over with fixed for the plotholes will still NOT be enough. This is end to the game we know and love. The ending, even if it had no plotholes would still do no justice to our beloved franchise. 

So, again, forget anyone else who may actually have liked parts of the ending, or who wanted to see the expansion of the plotlines and whatnot. It's pretty damn arrogant to claim that you speak for me, or for everyone out there who purchased ME3, and who potentially spent the same "$100s of dollars" as you put it on the same games, DLC and the rest of the ME franchise.

Their DLC shows they're willing to listen and compromise with fans. That doesn't mean that Bioware is also responsible to completely change their directive outcome based on YOUR singular opinion. Don't want to support them in the future; don't buy their products anymore. I prefer to see what they release in the summer before jumping half-cocked off to a conclusion.

I wouldn't bother with her, honestly. It's like beating your head against a brick wall. She's dubbed herself Queen RME and she speaks for the masses. So whatever you say will go in one ear and out the other.

[KeilxKey]

HoustonDragon wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

In our opinion they clearly didn't. We hate ALL OF THE ENDING. We want a total revision. We are this passionate because we have been engaged with the franchise for countless years, and have spent 100's of hours, and 100's of dollars with dlc. We love this series, and the ending we will get..even if it's nicely paved over with fixed for the plotholes will still NOT be enough. This is end to the game we know and love. The ending, even if it had no plotholes would still do no justice to our beloved franchise. 

So, again, forget anyone else who may actually have liked parts of the ending, or who wanted to see the expansion of the plotlines and whatnot. It's pretty damn arrogant to claim that you speak for me, or for everyone out there who purchased ME3, and who potentially spent the same "$100s of dollars" as you put it on the same games, DLC and the rest of the ME franchise.

Their DLC shows they're willing to listen and compromise with fans. That doesn't mean that Bioware is also responsible to completely change their directive outcome based on YOUR singular opinion. Don't want to support them in the future; don't buy their products anymore. I prefer to see what they release in the summer before jumping half-cocked off to a conclusion.

Who said we speak for you? I speak on behalf of my community. Not you. We dislike the ending plain and simple. There's not much to argue about. 

 Bioware could've easily detailed what the dlc ending would entail but they opted not to. It's not our fault that they have decided to play mum. 

[Odd Bet]

Helishorn wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Oh? And who named you retake queen?  You don't speak for the cause, you're only speaking for yourself. 

Cant say i agree with what she is doing or even respect it as i do belive it will just bring a bunch of negitive press to the movememnt. I however dont think being mean to someone who is obviously just trying to help in her/his/its own way constructive at all.

As for who named her retake queen..Ill put my vote in for her..so thats one atleast

There is a huge difference between helping in ones own way and hijacking a movement to advance ones personal agenda. The OP has made it clear that they don't care what anyone else thinks and that they will proceed with this plan regardless of the damage it may cause.

[KeilxKey]

forsaken gamer wrote...

It's a billboard.  It's not the antichrist, folks.  If you don't like it then don't donate to it.  Simple as that.  The pretentious drama never ceases to amaze me.

Thank you! :innocent:

It's a billboard. If you don't like it, then that's fine. No one is putting anyone at gun point and forcing them to like our project. 

[Calbeb]

HenchxNarf wrote...

HoustonDragon wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

In our opinion they clearly didn't. We hate ALL OF THE ENDING. We want a total revision. We are this passionate because we have been engaged with the franchise for countless years, and have spent 100's of hours, and 100's of dollars with dlc. We love this series, and the ending we will get..even if it's nicely paved over with fixed for the plotholes will still NOT be enough. This is end to the game we know and love. The ending, even if it had no plotholes would still do no justice to our beloved franchise. 

So, again, forget anyone else who may actually have liked parts of the ending, or who wanted to see the expansion of the plotlines and whatnot. It's pretty damn arrogant to claim that you speak for me, or for everyone out there who purchased ME3, and who potentially spent the same "$100s of dollars" as you put it on the same games, DLC and the rest of the ME franchise.

Their DLC shows they're willing to listen and compromise with fans. That doesn't mean that Bioware is also responsible to completely change their directive outcome based on YOUR singular opinion. Don't want to support them in the future; don't buy their products anymore. I prefer to see what they release in the summer before jumping half-cocked off to a conclusion.

I wouldn't bother with her, honestly. It's like beating your head against a brick wall. She's dubbed herself Queen RME and she speaks for the masses. So whatever you say will go in one ear and out the other.

I see a Retake Retake Mass Effect movement coming soon lol

[GBGriffin]

I'm sorry you didn't get exactly what you wanted. I don't think any of us did or will. We (since I gyess tossing around the collective we adds more weight) did ask for them to make sense of the plotholes and it looks like they might. We don't know.

You can protest by (with)holding the wallet. That to me is civil and well within the rights if a customer ; these are the actions of angry fans (using the word hate illustrates that ) because they aren't getting what they want while sone of us are giving our "beloved franchise" the benefit of the doubt.

If people are willing to support this, I can't stop it. I urge people to distance themselves from it, though, so when people say "the fans " did this...you can save face and say not all if them wanted it to happen.

[Grimskull89]

KeilxKey wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

@DJBare

Yeah, if this is the new face if Retake...it's lost my support, and I urge anyone who doesn't want to be associated with this level of extremism to make it clear that Retake isn't speaking for you (if you still want to be associated with it in light of this) or, if you must do something, throw your support behind (with)hold the wallet, a more civil response.

The new face of retake? No. We are simply following a campaign that our community (hold the line) best see fit. If you don't like it, then that's perfectly fine. 

I'm not speaking behalf of all of retake. I'm speaking behalf a small community that believe this project is in our best interests. 

Oh look... there is that divide thing I was talking about.

[Sohlito]

This whole situation has been out of hand for weeks now.

Between the division of the fanbase, the constant confrontational jibes from individuals "representing" either side (in reality, they're just sad), the lengths individuals have gone to harass Bioware employees, etc etc etc. To further this absurdity, you personally, endorse spending money on a billboard that many are quite possibly just going to ignore on their daily commutes?

For the second time, I am embarrassed to be an active, participating member of the BSN. Need a new banner, "BSN deserves better community members".

Modifié par Sohlito, 10 avril 2012 - 06:25 .

[CavScout]

KeilxKey wrote...

forsaken gamer wrote...

It's a billboard.  It's not the antichrist, folks.  If you don't like it then don't donate to it.  Simple as that.  The pretentious drama never ceases to amaze me.

Thank you! :innocent:

It's a billboard. If you don't like it, then that's fine. No one is putting anyone at gun point and forcing them to like our project. 

If you think the bilboard won't have an effect, why bother putting it up. If you do think it will have an effect, then why should those concerned about the effect shut up?

[KeilxKey]

Odd Bet wrote...

Helishorn wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Oh? And who named you retake queen?  You don't speak for the cause, you're only speaking for yourself. 

Cant say i agree with what she is doing or even respect it as i do belive it will just bring a bunch of negitive press to the movememnt. I however dont think being mean to someone who is obviously just trying to help in her/his/its own way constructive at all.

As for who named her retake queen..Ill put my vote in for her..so thats one atleast

There is a huge difference between helping in ones own way and hijacking a movement to advance ones personal agenda. The OP has made it clear that they don't care what anyone else thinks and that they will proceed with this plan regardless of the damage it may cause.

Of course we care what people think. But I also care what various other communites say as well (facebook, twitter, htl, neogaf, etc). There are supporters, and then there are others who are clearly not a fan of this. We are listening to everyone. Not just exclusively bsn.

[KeilxKey]

If you think the bilboard won't have an effect, why bother putting it up. If you do think it will have an effect, then why should those concerned about the effect shut up?

Because you have already let you opinion be known, and when you repeat that same opinion it's become unconstructive and pointless. 

[HenchxNarf]

Sohlito wrote...

This whole situation has been out of hand for weeks now.

Between the division of the fanbase, the constant confrontational jibes from individuals "representing" either side (in reality, they're just sad), the lengths individuals have gone to harass Bioware employees, etc etc etc. To further this absurdity, you personally, endorse spending money on a billboard that many are quite possibly just going to ignore on their daily commutes?

For the second time, I am embarrassed to be an active, participating member of the BSN. Need a new banner, "BSN deserves better community members".

I could make you one if you'd like lol

[Helishorn]

Odd Bet wrote...

There is a huge difference between helping in ones own way and hijacking a movement to advance ones personal agenda. The OP has made it clear that they don't care what anyone else thinks and that they will proceed with this plan regardless of the damage it may cause.

Agreed. As i said i do not agree with her and do not respect what she is trying to do as i think its harmful to the movement and a waste of money. Its clear she is going to do what she wants to do no matter what is said although i would like to think she would look at the polls and do what the majority would like.

Still in the name of civility i dont think it befits us to be mean our posts.

Modifié par Helishorn, 10 avril 2012 - 06:27 .

[jules_vern18]

Optimystic_X wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

What nonsense? Doing what we feel is right? You don't have to support us, but please don't simply call it nonsense. 

If the DLC is not to your liking, complain then.

By then it will be too late.  There will not be a 2nd dlc if we don't like the first one, no matter how loud people are.  THIS is the time to up the protest and make every effort to influence whatever is being produced.

Also:  OP cannot act unilaterally, otherwise he would not be planning a fundraising drive for his chosen form of protest.  If this ever does happen (and again, I stress that anything bove 9k would be counterproductive), it will be because many more fans than who are in this thread decide to make it happen.

[tenojitsu]

How come there is no option in the poll for thinking this is a total waste of money and quite possibly the dumbest idea anyone has ever had, in all of recorded history, and perhaps since the beginning of time.

Modifié par tenojitsu, 10 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[KeilxKey]

Sohlito wrote...

This whole situation has been out of hand for weeks now.

Between the division of the fanbase, the constant confrontational jibes from individuals "representing" either side (in reality, they're just sad), the lengths individuals have gone to harass Bioware employees, etc etc etc. To further this absurdity, you personally, endorse spending money on a billboard that many are quite possibly just going to ignore on their daily commutes?

For the second time, I am embarrassed to be an active, participating member of the BSN. Need a new banner, "BSN deserves better community members".

We don't care whether or not the people or not notice the billboard on there daily commute. Like I said earlier, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY DID, but it's not why we did the billboard in the first place. This is for EA. Most if not all employees take that route on there daily commute to work. We are hoping to gain the attraction of EA and our present concerns. 

[Mushufasa1512]

Yeah ok I really, really, really did not like the endings. I thought the first charity thing was a good outlet for frustration in that it ended up going to a good cause. The cupcakes were funny and creative. But yeah this one, I don't know about this one.