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[GBGriffin]

@Dendio

Trolling would be baiting him and other posters on for kicks . I'm trying to issue an honest plea and call to reason to stop this and, if it will happen, urging people to distance themselves from it if they don't support it.

[tenojitsu]

GBGriffin wrote...

Also, even if Retake distances themselves officially through a Facebook post (I hope they will), I'm honestly hoping people will forget about this like the FTC complaint and not judge all the fans by this. I wish there was some measure of support for disliking this in the OP

How can Retake distance themselves? They merged with holdtheline. Here is the link. It says it in the third paragraph.

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

[SC0TTYD00]

Some of you guys need to come back to reality. This is crazy talk...

[Kondorr]

A billboard is means of communication... the retake movement (or whatsoever splinter group responsible) does have the need to leave the internet and enter the real world. A billboard does that.

If the message on the billboard is not insulting I really do not think it is a bad thing.

[Odd Bet]

tenojitsu wrote...


You quoted me, yet failed to speak to any of the comments I made. I just want to get something clear right now. Who do you represent? Retake? HoldtheLine.com? I'm pretty sure if you represent either you represent both because I read that the Retake and Holdtheline websites merged. Are you represent neither and and are doing this on your own?

The Retake Mass Effect Facebook is quite clear in that HTL is not associated with or recognized by Retake.

[Dragoonlordz]

Kondorr wrote...

A billboard is means of communication... the retake movement (or whatsoever splinter group responsible) does have the need to leave the internet and enter the real world. A billboard does that.

If the message on the billboard is not insulting I really do not think it is a bad thing.

Then I sure hope you truly love being belittled and insulted on here at it's current rate, being called whiners and entitled from the media because it will get a million times worse if go through with this. That beloved forbes you love so much won't have your back anymore either.

[Dendio1]

GBGriffin wrote...

@Dendio

Trolling would be baiting him and other posters on for kicks . I'm trying to issue an honest plea and call to reason to stop this and, if it will happen, urging people to distance themselves from it if they don't support it.

Dont get me wrong there are some very valid points people are making. I happen to agree with most of them. Just to the more aggressive folks out there, give her a little room to breathe

/cautiously holds on to flame shield

[Odd Bet]

tenojitsu wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Also, even if Retake distances themselves officially through a Facebook post (I hope they will), I'm honestly hoping people will forget about this like the FTC complaint and not judge all the fans by this. I wish there was some measure of support for disliking this in the OP

How can Retake distance themselves? They merged with holdtheline. Here is the link. It says it in the third paragraph.

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

The .org site is not affiliated with the Facebook group at all.

[GBGriffin]

@teno

I wasn't aware of that. If they merged with hold the line, and the thread title uses hold the line...I feel like they need to say, officially, that this is not "holding the line" to distance themselves.

If they support it, and yoy don't, no shame in leaving or not "holding the line " when it's gone this far.

[Grimskull89]

tenojitsu wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Also, even if Retake distances themselves officially through a Facebook post (I hope they will), I'm honestly hoping people will forget about this like the FTC complaint and not judge all the fans by this. I wish there was some measure of support for disliking this in the OP

How can Retake distance themselves? They merged with holdtheline. Here is the link. It says it in the third paragraph.

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

There is a 3rd entity now? including BSN... there are 4 places where this movement seems to divide.

HTL is the most interesting because atghunter is a regular on there, and as always provides his perspective everytime Bioware puts out PR.

But... really? 4 different places.... I understand people not wanting to be attacked here on BSN, but... why?

[FierceReaper]

This doesn't really seem like something that would be that terribly effective. It's stationary, a lot of people won't have any clue what it's for, other people might be annoyed at criticism launched at a successful local company that puts into the economy, and it's hideously expensive.

[tenojitsu]

Odd Bet wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...


You quoted me, yet failed to speak to any of the comments I made. I just want to get something clear right now. Who do you represent? Retake? HoldtheLine.com? I'm pretty sure if you represent either you represent both because I read that the Retake and Holdtheline websites merged. Are you represent neither and and are doing this on your own?

The Retake Mass Effect Facebook is quite clear in that HTL is not associated with or recognized by Retake.

How many Retakes are there at this point? Sorry, but the fact that the websites merged is enough for people to link the two.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Arathon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

Wow calling an action to make Bioware realise that their extended ending does not quite cut nearly what we want
is now a waste of money...

I think, but I am not sure, is that he says it would save money, because they already know. That is friendly advice. John isn't evil. However, knowing the concerns does not mean that BW understands them. Otherwise they would have responded to it or they would engage in dialogue to try to find out what it is. Their assumption that clarification and closure is all that is required proves this.

[xsdob]

Interesting, very interesting. The chances of this not working and turning into a boondoggle are high, but the publicity that this billboard could make for all the ending reformist movements is great, but it will also increase mass effect 3 sales from people wanting to see this widely talked about bad ending for themselves. Heavy risk, but the prize.

Still though, this form of protest is fine to do, as long is things don't escalate to peta levels of dissidents where you start supporting groups like the ALF or the ELF, or start praising people like Rod Coronado than things will be pretty good. Oh, and trolling people who don't mind the endings is also a big no go for this type of movement.

Of course I doubt any group would go to the extremes that those groups and people mentioned went, still though, crazy people get attracted to movements no matter what the cause, and you can never be too careful when it comes to who or what you greenlight.

I approve.

...But on the condition that if the money raised just isn't enough, that the money be donated to a charity decided by a week long poll.

Modifié par xsdob, 10 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[GBGriffin]

Just for the sake of argument, one group or yser donated 10k in one sitting to the charity drive, which, again, went to charity, raised awaree, and possibly helped influence the EC.

This is asking for a 9k collection for a billboard that, apparently, couldn't use the product name and seeks to protest the result of the pre-EC protests...including that charity and 10k donation.

That does seem counterproductive rather than furthering any sort of cause beyond complaining ovr unreleased content.

[tenojitsu]

Odd Bet wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Also, even if Retake distances themselves officially through a Facebook post (I hope they will), I'm honestly hoping people will forget about this like the FTC complaint and not judge all the fans by this. I wish there was some measure of support for disliking this in the OP

How can Retake distance themselves? They merged with holdtheline. Here is the link. It says it in the third paragraph.

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

The .org site is not affiliated with the Facebook group at all.

Doesnt really matter though, does it? Forbes, our biggest ally, seems to recognize the Retake website that did merge with holdtheline. This is enough to turn Forbes from our side, as well as make a direct connection between Retake and holdtheline. People dont know that there are 42 different groups using the same Retake name. It's all the same to everyone.

[Dendio1]

I think bioware has already sat down and considered redoing the ending. They made their decision and are already working on the extended cut. They are probably committed to their solution.

Now all that said, perhaps instead of spending 30,000 on bulletin boards we could offer $30,000 directly to bioware in exchange for a re-done ending. Just a thought...

[GBGriffin]

Raised awareness*

Sorry, phone posting ;(

[Faded-Myth]

BioWare, if you're reading this, this idea does not represent everyone who might have issues with the ending. Mad as hell as we may be with your decision to wrap the series up the way you did, not all of us wish to resort to browbeating to get our message across.

I'm going to go back to enjoying Mass Effect while I wait for more word on what the ending DLC will contain. I'm proud that the Retake movement made itself heard back when there was valid cause to complain, and that it brought about an expanded ending at the very least. But this doesn't feel productive to me at all. It's time wasted that you could be communicating directly to BioWare through emails and physical letters. Don't hesitate to send multiple letters, so long as they're polite, concise and intelligent. And it'll be in BioWare's office, potentially permanently. That's far more useful than a billboard with an abstract message on the side of a road that someone will see once or twice.

A small letter would be far more effective than a giant billboard.

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 10 avril 2012 - 07:20 .

[HoustonDragon]

Faded-Myth wrote...

BioWare, if you're reading this, this idea does not represent everyone who might have issues with the ending. Mad as hell as we may be with your decision to wrap the series up the way you did, not all of us wish to resort to browbeating to get our message across.

I'm going to go back to enjoying Mass Effect while I wait for more word on what the ending DLC will contain. I'm proud that the Retake movement made itself heard back when there was valid cause to complain, and that it brought about an expanded ending at the very least. But this doesn't feel productive to me at all. It's time wasted that you could be communicating directly to BioWare through emails and physical letters. Don't hesitate to send multiple letters, so long as they're polite, concise and intelligent. And it'll be in BioWares office. That's far more useful than a billboard with an abstract message on the side of a road.

A small letter would be far more effective than a giant billboard.

[Ajx-]

We shouldn't fight eachother.. I don't mind there are multiple groups.. I think that is a good thing. It shows just how numerous and passionate we are for a mutual goal: change to the ending. I think most of us want that.

[xsdob]

Faded-Myth wrote...

BioWare, if you're reading this, this idea does not represent everyone who might have issues with the ending. Mad as hell as we may be with your decision to wrap the series up the way you did, not all of us wish to resort to browbeating to get our message across.

I'm going to go back to enjoying Mass Effect while I wait for more word on what the ending DLC will contain. I'm proud that the Retake movement made itself heard back when there was valid cause to complain, and that it brought about an expanded ending at the very least. But this doesn't feel productive to me at all. It's time wasted that you could be communicating directly to BioWare through emails and physical letters. Don't hesitate to send multiple letters, so long as they're polite, concise and intelligent. And it'll be in BioWares office. That's far more useful than a billboard with an abstract message on the side of a road.

A small letter would be far more effective than a giant billboard.

Agreed. But where's the fun in seeing whether they can actually raise the money or not?

[killnoob]

you are tearing the movement up, and now those gaming media have one more reason to against those " entitled and whiny" fans.

you probably don't care, but whether you like it or not, like EA/Bioware, fans need "PR", too. A good public image would gain you more support, and congratulation, you have just ruined the public image of the fans.

please tell me, what is the message on that billboard  are you trying to get across? It has no Bioware logo, EA logo, and it has no design element that is Mass Effect related. it does not even have the word "Mass Effect" on it, do you seriously think people are going to understand your message?You do realise that not all drive-bys are Bioware/EA employee and play the game right?

When you realise that you can not put any Mass effect related logo on this, why push the idea? Did your community even run "peer-review" on this campaign idea with other movement? Did you think that all "retakers" will support any silliness just because you hate the ending?

folks at Bioware must be celebrating right now

"LOL this movement just hit the self destruct button "

Modifié par killnoob, 10 avril 2012 - 07:27 .

[Odd Bet]

tenojitsu wrote...

Odd Bet wrote...


The Retake Mass Effect Facebook is quite clear in that HTL is not associated with or recognized by Retake.

How many Retakes are there at this point? Sorry, but the fact that the websites merged is enough for people to link the two.

The .org was never part of the original movement. I believe that the two big groups are now Retake Mass Effect (via the Facebook page) and HTL. Retake has been clear in this distinction because, obviously, the two groups employ entirely different methods.

Edited to add: I completely agree with your point that this distinction won't really matter to most people. Was just trying to clarify the convoluted state of things.

Modifié par Odd Bet, 10 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[Faded-Myth]

xsdob wrote...
Agreed. But where's the fun in seeing whether they can actually raise the money or not?

I'd much rather see them throw their passion into something more viable, cost-effectove and immediate. Why spend copious amounts of money on a venture that could take a while to complete when they could send an email...oh...now? For free.

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 10 avril 2012 - 07:24 .