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[Heretic19]

Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind. Your efforts are miserably inadequate.

[xsdob]

Faded-Myth wrote...

xsdob wrote...
Agreed. But where's the fun in seeing whether they can actually raise the money or not?

I'd much rather see them throw their passion into something more viable, cost-effectove and immediate. Why spend copious amounts of money on a venture that could take a while to complete when they could send an email...oh...now? For free.

If the goverment can pull it off, so can this movement. Besides, if they can't reach the goal than they'll just donate the money to charity, and that helps the needy.

So either way, somehow someone, somewhere is benefiting from this something or other, the details just haven't been filled out yet.

Modifié par xsdob, 10 avril 2012 - 07:28 .

[GBGriffin]

@Faded-Myth

I can't quote you on my phone, but that's what I'm talking about. Let it be known that you don't support it and move on if they insist on going ahead with it.

You can alway have that post to say, "I'm a fan, but I do not support this." If we get enough posts like yours...maybe it'll be enough for this to be written off as a minority resorting to exremism.

[Quietness]

This is my no vote as this really falls under the category of bad ideas.

[humansrsuperior]

Yeah... this is a bit ridiculous.    I say leave it and just wait for the EC DLC.  Honestly I think that's the best we're going to get.  (And this is a little extreme, come on.)

[Faded-Myth]

xsdob wrote...
If the goverment can pull it off, so can this movement. Besides, if they can't reach the goal than they'll just donate the money to charity, and that helps the needy.

So either way, somehow someone, somewhere is benefiting from this something or other, the details just haven't been filled out yet.

I'm not sure that would happen though. I donated---gladly---to the Child's Play charity, knowing full well that my money was going to needy kids. I welcomed the idea and I'm glad I participated in something worthwhile that both benefited kids and raised awareness for the issue. But this is money raised for a billboard, and I'm not sure how many people would be willing to let their money just go to a charity when that wasn't the initial plan.

I'm not going to try stopping the idea. That's not my call to make. All I can do is voice my concern that this could have the opposite effect that the organizer is attempting to achieve, and could wound the movement in an irrepairable way. That's not what I'd like to see happen.

[killnoob]

Kondorr wrote...

A billboard is means of communication... the retake movement (or whatsoever splinter group responsible) does have the need to leave the internet and enter the real world. A billboard does that.

If the message on the billboard is not insulting I really do not think it is a bad thing.

"entering the real world" eh? you do realise  that in the "real world", a lot of people don't even play game, why not stick to interent, which is always an advantage for the movement that is purely devote to computer gaming?

besides, have you seen the biollboard they intend to put?
 it has no bioware or EA logo, no Mass effect related symbol or artworks, it does not even have the term " Mass Effect" on it. Do you expect  this billboard is going to communicate anything that make sense for "real world" people? 

Modifié par killnoob, 10 avril 2012 - 07:37 .

[MikeC99]

Sorry - no, I can't support this. As much as I support why you're trying to do this, and (doffs cap to Jimmy Stewart) I support your right to do this, I'll argue that:
(i) it's an ostentatious use of money, and will be perceived as such. The original charity drive was fine as the money went to a good cause. Find something where the money and/or effort also provides benefits to those who actually need it, then I'm in.
(ii) the real advertising you will get is in the story and if it gets picked up in main stream media. Even if it does, you need to be absolutely convinced that it won't get negative spin. Given the first point, I think this is exactly what will happen.
(iii) this can only otherwise be seen as a direct appeal to EA and/or Bioware. I doubt it will achieve much on that basis, and risks ostracising a large proportion of currently neutral or mildly supportive folks. It won't bring anyone new on board, so it's likely to be seen as a bunch of the converted doing something to make themselves feel better. But it won't bring new converts and will definitely loose some to many.
(iv) static advertising looses out to broad coverage everyday and advocacy by external, non-vested interest parties is always better. This clearly a self-interest group trying to make a statement.

Nothing wrong per se with trying to get the message across, and 110% for creative thinking and holding the line stuff, but I'm saying it will not achieve what you want it to, and risks actually being counter-productive.
cheers
MikeC

[Armass81]

A billboard?

Are you ****ing kidding me??!!

Modifié par Armass81, 10 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[KeilxKey]

I'll stop when puts a no or any answer other than yes in her or his polls. Until then nope.

She moans about how will lose 12 hours worth of votes, well extend the poll for 12 hours.

It's an excuse and a poor one at that. Retake now aparently dictates to you what you want. You no longer have a say because they do not give you one outside of agreeing with them.

We can't simply extend it to 12 hours more. The billboard company is reserving it specifically for us. WE have only 3 days to make 9k or we can potentially lose that spot...and from what I understand that specific spot won't be available for some time after june. 

[KeilxKey]

If the goverment can pull it off, so can this movement. Besides, if they can't reach the goal than they'll just donate the money to charity, and that helps the needy.

So either way, somehow someone, somewhere is benefiting from this something or other, the details just haven't been filled out yet.

Exactly.If  we don't reach it, then we'll send it to a charity based on the majority charity that people want. 

[Calbeb]

KeilxKey wrote...

I'll stop when puts a no or any answer other than yes in her or his polls. Until then nope.

She moans about how will lose 12 hours worth of votes, well extend the poll for 12 hours.

It's an excuse and a poor one at that. Retake now aparently dictates to you what you want. You no longer have a say because they do not give you one outside of agreeing with them.

We can't simply extend it to 12 hours more. The billboard company is reserving it specifically for us. WE have only 3 days to make 9k or we can potentially lose that spot...and from what I understand that specific spot won't be available for some time after june. 

This should probably be taken as a sign that it's not a very good idea..

[Aznable Char]

 I think with this kind of money , you could do a lot better .
I like my idea of buying 16 different flavoured cupcakes (or ice cream or whatever) for a homeless shelter or kids is and do that ten times with this kind of money would be a bigger political statement , grab more news (which is better than some people who don't care driving by)




to the organizers , please don't let pride in trying to think up of a good idea or a negative reaction get you down .

Be better than BioWare and recognize when an unpopular way of doing something is unpopular and do something else .

Modifié par Aznable Char, 10 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[xsdob]

Faded-Myth wrote...

xsdob wrote...
If the goverment can pull it off, so can this movement. Besides, if they can't reach the goal than they'll just donate the money to charity, and that helps the needy.

So either way, somehow someone, somewhere is benefiting from this something or other, the details just haven't been filled out yet.

I'm not sure that would happen though. I donated---gladly---to the Child's Play charity, knowing full well that my money was going to needy kids. I welcomed the idea and I'm glad I participated in something worthwhile that both benefited kids and raised awareness for the issue. But this is money raised for a billboard, and I'm not sure how many people would be willing to let their money just go to a charity when that wasn't the initial plan.

I'm not going to try stopping the idea. That's not my call to make. All I can do is voice my concern that this could have the opposite effect that the organizer is attempting to achieve, and could wound the movement in an irrepairable way. That's not what I'd like to see happen.

This event is already causing disertion of the ranks. To go forward with it would be as suicidal as bioware having choosen to actually do nothing about the endings.

I want to see how far peopeltake this till they realize this was a bad idea though. This is a war of attrition and reformist need to be shown what does and doesn't work.

[Grimskull89]

Son Ov Mars wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Son Ov Mars wrote...

[This is the third I've tried writing this... But it keeps descending into a rant of **** being said a lot...]

...I was somewhat on your(Retakers) side. And would have been nice if you(Retakers) had succeed(I hated the ending HELL I hated the whole damn game) But I didn't think BioWare was going to change the ending(And I was right) But I can simply CAN NOT support you ****s anymore!! You have gone WAY TO ****ING FAR!!!! THE **** IS WRONG YOU IDIOTS?? HUH? If you're so ****ing dumb as to give ****ing MONEY for a ****ing billboard, you need to go to a ****ing mental institution. IT'S A GAME!!!! Get a ****ing life! Dumbasses! ****!!!

Also, You do realize you just ****ed ANY support your movement had. Way to shoot yourself in foot!

this is not reflective of the whole RME movement, just the community over at www.holdtheline.com

troubling... I know.

I Certainly hope so. While I still find very unlikely that BioWare will change the ending(And as I said, I do hate the ending and most of the game) And if you want to save your movement from losing credibility and destruction, you should REALLY make it know that this just a small number of idiots and distance yourself from...This!

Everyone should read this: www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3/posts/369976353046413

This is the last post made by the person running the FB page, this is, currently how the dominoes fall.

Forbes seems misinformed, and until the FB page says otherwise there is no unification between RME on FB, or the folks over at HTL community. And their views do not reflect those of everyone in the movement...

Modifié par Grimskull89, 10 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[HenchxNarf]

Quietness wrote...

This is my no vote as this really falls under the category of bad ideas.

But apparently she speaks for you all.

It is a very bad idea.

[KeilxKey]

Odd Bet wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...


You quoted me, yet failed to speak to any of the comments I made. I just want to get something clear right now. Who do you represent? Retake? HoldtheLine.com? I'm pretty sure if you represent either you represent both because I read that the Retake and Holdtheline websites merged. Are you represent neither and and are doing this on your own?

The Retake Mass Effect Facebook is quite clear in that HTL is not associated with or recognized by Retake.

That is a misunderstanding. There are a quite a few mods there. Not one of them is any repersentive of the retake movement.

For example we had one of the members post this to us when they announced we became a fringe movement:

Hey there. Sorry for copying this from the other thread, but it seems this is the offical thread.[/b]

Guys this has been nothing but a great misunderstanding. As I'm writing this the matter is being sorted out.

The only thing we (The various FB #Retake page admins, me being the creator of the Hungarian one) were worried about, is that other pages might reach out to you guys with scams[/i] (such as linking a non-existing charity organziation), or they might try to get you to perform illicit activites (such as hacking, or sending death threats and the like)- under the guise of carrying out "offical" campaigns.Now I myself am guilty aswell, as when I spread this message I referred to myself as the "Leader of the Hungarian branch" and I said "disregard".[/b]

I'd like to apologize for the afformentioned acts, my only intent was to protect you from potential scammers and frauds. And I'm sorry that I've offended many of you.

Another thing that should be clarified is the assumption that there is a "leader" of the movement[/b][color=rgb(20, 20, 20)"> ]). [/color]That is not the case.[/b][color=rgb(20, 20, 20)"> ] When the press wants an interview, or just mentions us - they have to reach out to someone. Up until now, that was the owner of the various FB pages. [/color]That however does not mean that we are any different than you guys[/b][color=rgb(20, 20, 20)"> ]: [/color]the same thing the wonderful guys/gals who own this page have done. And for that we should be thankful.[/b]

The only difference, between me and you within this movement is the following:[/b]
I saw that BSN was in flames, and that something had to be done. I started to see the emergence of various nationality based #Retake pages, and I saw that Hungary wasn't represented. My job is to translate the various press releases of Bioware, EA, and when gaming pages reach out, I answer the phone. That is all.

F[/b]or example[/b]: several Hungarian gaming outlets have outreached to me, asking for an interview, and for me to clarify what the movement stands for. My first act was to contact the guys on the page, and ask what we should communicate to the press. We are a group, made up out of wonderful, and caring individuals with the same goal: to retake the ending of Mass Effect 3.[/i]

To be quite honest I don't see any gap between this page, and FB, or any page if it doesn't try to defraud or scam #Retakers. The only gap I see, and that is quite a large chasm - is that gap between Bioware and it's most loyal fans.[/b]

Keep in mind, what we are doing is unprecedented. We're writing internet history as we speak. Now is not the time for division.[/b]

So I'd like to say sorry again if I offended any of you personally, and let's get back into formation[/i] - let's hold that damn line![/b]

That being said however, I do not know, who this "Brian" is who offended you guys. I condemn any attack by any individual, be that within or outside the movement, who tries to break us up into small splinter groups. I don't know the background, or how this situation came to be, but I hope it comes to a quick and sudden end.[/b]

Now is not the time for division, we stand together, or we fall together. Let's retake Mass Effect 3![/b]


Hey there. Sorry for copying this from the other thread, but it seems this is the offical thread.[/b]

Guys this has been nothing but a great misunderstanding. As I'm writing this the matter is being sorted out.

The only thing we (The various FB #Retake page admins, me being the creator of the Hungarian one) were worried about, is that other pages might reach out to you guys with scams[/i] (such as linking a non-existing charity organziation), or they might try to get you to perform illicit activites (such as hacking, or sending death threats and the like)- under the guise of carrying out "offical" campaigns.Now I myself am guilty aswell, as when I spread this message I referred to myself as the "Leader of the Hungarian branch" and I said "disregard".[/b]

I'd like to apologize for the afformentioned acts, my only intent was to protect you from potential scammers and frauds. And I'm sorry that I've offended many of you.

Another thing that should be clarified is the assumption that there is a "leader" of the movement[/b][color=rgb(20, 20, 20)"> ]). [/color]That is not the case.[/b][color=rgb(20, 20, 20)"> ] When the press wants an interview, or just mentions us - they have to reach out to someone. Up until now, that was the owner of the various FB pages. [/color]That however does not mean that we are any different than you guys[/b][color=rgb(20, 20, 20)"> ]: [/color]the same thing the wonderful guys/gals who own this page have done. And for that we should be thankful.[/b]

The only difference, between me and you within this movement is the following:[/b]
I saw that BSN was in flames, and that something had to be done. I started to see the emergence of various nationality based #Retake pages, and I saw that Hungary wasn't represented. My job is to translate the various press releases of Bioware, EA, and when gaming pages reach out, I answer the phone. That is all.

F[/b]or example[/b]: several Hungarian gaming outlets have outreached to me, asking for an interview, and for me to clarify what the movement stands for. My first act was to contact the guys on the page, and ask what we should communicate to the press. We are a group, made up out of wonderful, and caring individuals with the same goal: to retake the ending of Mass Effect 3.[/i]

To be quite honest I don't see any gap between this page, and FB, or any page if it doesn't try to defraud or scam #Retakers. The only gap I see, and that is quite a large chasm - is that gap between Bioware and it's most loyal fans.[/b]

Keep in mind, what we are doing is unprecedented. We're writing internet history as we speak. Now is not the time for division.[/b]

So I'd like to say sorry again if I offended any of you personally, and let's get back into formation[/i] - let's hold that damn line![/b]

That being said however, I do not know, who this "Brian" is who offended you guys. I condemn any attack by any individual, be that within or outside the movement, who tries to break us up into small splinter groups. I don't know the background, or how this situation came to be, but I hope it comes to a quick and sudden end.[/b]

Now is not the time for division, we stand together, or we fall together. Let's retake Mass Effect 3!
[/b]

her post: 
http://www.holdtheli...ent.658/page-30 

scroll to the middle. 

Modifié par KeilxKey, 10 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[KeilxKey]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

This is my no vote as this really falls under the category of bad ideas.

But apparently she speaks for you all.

It is a very bad idea.

Please specifically identify in this thread where i said that.

[Koobarex]

I think this is generally a very bad idea, folks. Let's find a different method.

P.S. I hate the endings with all my heart and I am very disappointed with the "Extended Cut" info that we were given. I am just saying that from both long-term strategy viewpoint and a PR viewpoint this will bite the whole movement in the butt. This idea should be dropped, something else should be attempted.

Modifié par Koobarex, 10 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[Aznable Char]

I am very thankful that this was proposed first before implemented . Testing the waters was a good move even if it is seen in a negative light . Better than implementing it right out .

but I must urge that this billboard idea especially for this much money is an unfortunate waste of money especially after so much money has been generated for positive charities . I know you guys are doing all you can for us , and I recognize that , but this seems too expensive and over the top .

Not to mention if things go well in the coming weeks , all of that money reserved for the weeks after will go to waste . Imagine if we succeed or something new happens tomorrow , all that money for the rest of those weeks goes nowhere .

Furthermore , catching media attention is better than attention with people at cars . They'll lambast us in the news with this idea . I suggest doing something more friendly such as a 16-different-flavour ice cream campaign to provide for kids to show that keeping one's promises is better .

Be better than BioWare and recognize when an unpopular way of doing something is unpopular and do something else .

Modifié par Aznable Char, 10 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[pwoodboerne]

Great idea!! It really doesn't matter who thinks what, the more attention Mass Effect 3's ending gets, the better! Also to the OP; ignore the haters, if you can pull this off then good for you. Wasting your time arguing with people online isn't worth the headache

[KeilxKey]

Just wanted to announce that if we fail to reach our goal, or exceed our goal, then it will be donated to Retake ME3 new charity organization "Save Point"

[DGuyton]

Seriously, guys. It's over. Bioware is giving us the 'Extended Edition' DLC and then they're blanketing us as whiners. They'll just say 'We gave them what they wanted!' and then let the media handle things by blackwashing it all. EA and Bioware will then wash their hands and move on. People driving down a highway won't care about a billboard or about Mass Effect's ending. It's a waste.

Modifié par DGuyton, 10 avril 2012 - 07:51 .