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[AngryFrozenWater]

What's is to be on that billboard? Maybe a giant reaper tearing the BW building apart with geth fire fighters below to save the people inside the building? The slogan would be: "Unfortunately I have chosen destruction."

[KeilxKey]

pwoodboerne wrote...

Great idea!! It really doesn't matter who thinks what, the more attention Mass Effect 3's ending gets, the better! Also to the OP; ignore the haters, if you can pull this off then good for you. Wasting your time arguing with people online isn't worth the headache

It's very hard lol. So many questions, it's hard to keep up. An what I don't answer, I look like some **** who simply ignores there question lol. I'm only 1 person herez :blush:

[KeilxKey]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

What's is to be on that billboard? Maybe a giant reaper tearing the BW building apart with geth fire fighters below to save the people inside the building? The slogan would be: "Unfortunately I have chosen destruction."

The design is on the front page. we can't do anything like what you described due to copy right issues. 

[KeilxKey]

GBGriffin wrote...

I love how "hold the line" is still in the thread title (isn't that Retake's...thing? Obviously nit copyright, but couldn't it draw the comparison?

Also, "targeting "...that has a bit of a hostile connotation, doesn't it? Just my opinion.

our website is called holdtheline.com

 so no. 

[GBGriffin]

Keil,

Do you honestly think people outside of BSN will care to make the distinctpol? Your shortsightedness will yield more negative coverage than positive, assuming we as a community can't downplay it as the actions of a whining minority with a slanted poll. If we can't, people will claim these are the actions of the "fans"...I doubt many will care to break it down beyond this.

"The fans" are funding a billboard to protest free ending dlc because tghe game and its developers (which, apparently, you can't even list) are getting something as the result of a prior protest, just not exactly what they want.

[GBGriffin]

Distinction *

[Aznable Char]

KeilxKey wrote...

pwoodboerne wrote...

Great idea!! It really doesn't matter who thinks what, the more attention Mass Effect 3's ending gets, the better! Also to the OP; ignore the haters, if you can pull this off then good for you. Wasting your time arguing with people online isn't worth the headache

It's very hard lol. So many questions, it's hard to keep up. An what I don't answer, I look like some **** who simply ignores there question lol. I'm only 1 person herez :blush:

Please , I urge you to reconsider this entire initiative . As you can see from the sample reactions already here , it's not getting popular support . This is no time right now to gamble on something that's dodgy . Please Please for the sake of getting us a new ending , focus on initiatives that are universally popular especially if you're going to be asking money for it .


Be better than BioWare and recognize when an unpopular way of doing something is unpopular and do something else .

[SystemsAlliance]

Although this is great, can it wait after DLC is launched? So our effort become more focused.

[Quietness]

GBGriffin wrote...

Keil,

Do you honestly think people outside of BSN will care to make the distinctpol? Your shortsightedness will yield more negative coverage than positive, assuming we as a community can't downplay it as the actions of a whining minority with a slanted poll. If we can't, people will claim these are the actions of the "fans"...I doubt many will care to break it down beyond this.

"The fans" are funding a billboard to protest free ending dlc because tghe game and its developers (which, apparently, you can't even list) are getting something as the result of a prior protest, just not exactly what they want.

^^ we have a winner

[Adain878]

While i don't have much faith in them actually fixing the crap ending with the DLC I'm willing to wait. This though would just be a waste of money, save a stunt like this for after the DLC lands and you need to gather support for bioware to fix their mistake. EA already has enough bad publicity doing it now won't really matter too much. Wait a few months after their Spin doctors make everyone forget just how bad a company they are.

[KeilxKey]

[quote]Dendio1 wrote...

What would we accomplish with this?

1- Bioware and EA are well aware of the issue and the general hate of the ending

2- The billboard doesn't have the words mass effect 3, bioware or EA on it.

3- People wont know what it is even talking about

4- If im working at EA and pass this bill board I chuckle then tell my fellow employees about it over lunch. They wont know what it was referencing. This is a funny side note on my drive to work, not a punch in the face

5- If we are going to spend $9000 donate it to a charity in retakes name. Or send bioware pies this time. [/quote]

[/quote]

1. We know. We are letting them know that we hate the ending in GENERAL (our group, so sorry I'm using the word "we" hard to convery it in any other term). We want a totally revised ending from scratch. We want them to become aware of this notion similarly how they became aware of our distaste with the current ending

2. Yes. It's unfortante, but these are copy right issues. We could hire a lawyer and potentially work this out, but that would require extra funds..and would be a waste of time if you ask me. 

3. Yeah we discussed that. We're hoping that people would become intrigued enough to simply search it on there smartphone because there curious of what the billboard is about. But, like I said earlier, were targeting EA/Bioware. Everyone else isn't really our concern. 

4. We want recongnition that we still want revised ending. We feel that they think that there job is done. But we honestly feel, our group does, that new revised endings are in order instead of fixes to the current one. Besides that various press, and gaming press will notice this as well and people will become genereally aware of this issue. 

5. We have various charity organizations already set up (Full Paragon, Save Point, etc). If we don't hit our goal, or if we exceed our goal we will donate the rest to retake me3 charity "Save Point"

If you have any further questions I'd be happy to answer!<3

[KeilxKey]

GBGriffin wrote...

Keil,

Do you honestly think people outside of BSN will care to make the distinctpol? Your shortsightedness will yield more negative coverage than positive, assuming we as a community can't downplay it as the actions of a whining minority with a slanted poll. If we can't, people will claim these are the actions of the "fans"...I doubt many will care to break it down beyond this.

"The fans" are funding a billboard to protest free ending dlc because tghe game and its developers (which, apparently, you can't even list) are getting something as the result of a prior protest, just not exactly what they want.

Protesting free dlc? We could care less about the free dlc. We want totally revised endings, that's what we are fighting for. 

[GBGriffin]

Argh, need to stop posting from this phone.

Again, to clarify, "The fans" are funding a 9k billboard to protest free dlc, from a game and a developer that they can't list on said billboard, just because they aren't getting exactly what they wanted and still don't have to pay for it. That us how people who don't care about the groups will see it, and I can't blame them.

To the fans who do not support this, make it known. Hopefully, we can downplay this as the actions of a minority which doesn't speak for all of us. Hopefully, Keil's shortsightedness won't cost the fanbase, as a whole, too much if we voice our disagreement and lack of support.

[Quietness]

KeilxKey wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Keil,

Do you honestly think people outside of BSN will care to make the distinctpol? Your shortsightedness will yield more negative coverage than positive, assuming we as a community can't downplay it as the actions of a whining minority with a slanted poll. If we can't, people will claim these are the actions of the "fans"...I doubt many will care to break it down beyond this.

"The fans" are funding a billboard to protest free ending dlc because tghe game and its developers (which, apparently, you can't even list) are getting something as the result of a prior protest, just not exactly what they want.

Protesting free dlc? We could care less about the free dlc. We want totally revised endings, that's what we are fighting for. 

Please stop addressing only a small fraction of what he wrote and evaluate the entire thing.

[KeilxKey]

SystemsAlliance wrote...

Although this is great, can it wait after DLC is launched? So our effort become more focused.

We are a group who wants a totally revised ending. We believe that Bioware rushed the ending in the final few months of development, and that all the me3 writers didn't have the chance to fully discuss and give feedback on the ending. 

 We want a new ending from scratch. This dlc ending is nothing to us,. 

[Grimskull89]

GBGriffin wrote...

Argh, need to stop posting from this phone.

Again, to clarify, "The fans" are funding a 9k billboard to protest free dlc, from a game and a developer that they can't list on said billboard, just because they aren't getting exactly what they wanted and still don't have to pay for it. That us how people who don't care about the groups will see it, and I can't blame them.

To the fans who do not support this, make it known. Hopefully, we can downplay this as the actions of a minority which doesn't speak for all of us. Hopefully, Keil's shortsightedness won't cost the fanbase, as a whole, too much if we voice our disagreement and lack of support.

Working it... somewhat surprised a mod (Mr. Epler? you there) hasn't deleted or locked this thread yet...

[KeilxKey]

Quietness wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Keil,

Do you honestly think people outside of BSN will care to make the distinctpol? Your shortsightedness will yield more negative coverage than positive, assuming we as a community can't downplay it as the actions of a whining minority with a slanted poll. If we can't, people will claim these are the actions of the "fans"...I doubt many will care to break it down beyond this.

"The fans" are funding a billboard to protest free ending dlc because tghe game and its developers (which, apparently, you can't even list) are getting something as the result of a prior protest, just not exactly what they want.

Protesting free dlc? We could care less about the free dlc. We want totally revised endings, that's what we are fighting for. 

Please stop addressing only a small fraction of what he wrote and evaluate the entire thing.

Sure. We could care less about how people regard us. People have called us entitled whiners from day 1. Even with the cupcakes, gaming press kept flaming us regardless of how cute and touching it was (since the cupcakes were sent to an orpapange).

 There minds are set. 

[Athlonis1]

Jesus christ how did this become a vile flame war thread? I thought this was a clever little idea that would help spread a message. I'll admit the content of said billboard needs to be revised, but I don't really think it would create the "OMG HUGE NEGATIVE PRESS" that people seem to be saying it will. Jesus, did the cupcakes get such negative press? methinks not....

[HoustonDragon]

KeilxKey wrote...

Odd Bet wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...


You quoted me, yet failed to speak to any of the comments I made. I just want to get something clear right now. Who do you represent? Retake? HoldtheLine.com? I'm pretty sure if you represent either you represent both because I read that the Retake and Holdtheline websites merged. Are you represent neither and and are doing this on your own?

The Retake Mass Effect Facebook is quite clear in that HTL is not associated with or recognized by Retake.

That is a misunderstanding. There are a quite a few mods there. Not one of them is any repersentive of the retake movement.

For example we had one of the members post this to us when they announced we became a fringe movement:

Snipping for space, but just a few pages down toward the end of the thread, and your own admins are still admitting that the FB owners still consider HTL as a fringe group due to actions like this, and do not support the billboard idea.

It's called cutting off your own nose to spite your face. Bioware took a fairly large step in agreeing to produce the DLC, and to release it for free this summer as a result. It's their story, they get to tell it how they want to. We as the fans decide with our wallets if we continue to buy their products or not. That's it.

[KeilxKey]

Grimskull89 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Argh, need to stop posting from this phone.

Again, to clarify, "The fans" are funding a 9k billboard to protest free dlc, from a game and a developer that they can't list on said billboard, just because they aren't getting exactly what they wanted and still don't have to pay for it. That us how people who don't care about the groups will see it, and I can't blame them.

To the fans who do not support this, make it known. Hopefully, we can downplay this as the actions of a minority which doesn't speak for all of us. Hopefully, Keil's shortsightedness won't cost the fanbase, as a whole, too much if we voice our disagreement and lack of support.

Working it... somewhat surprised a mod (Mr. Epler? you there) hasn't deleted or locked this thread yet...

Why would they delete or lock this thread?

No one is insulting anyone here, and everybody is discussing this concept properly. This is a proposed concept. No one is saying let's go to bioware and murder everyone there...christ almighty. it's a billboard. nothing gigantic to lock or delete a thread over. 

[GBGriffin]

So, you're...not protesting the free dlc they plan on releasing? You'll accept it, but you just want to spend 9k on a billboard to "raise awareness" that you want more dlc that fits exactly what you think they should give you, after they've announced there won't be any more ending dlc...which hasn't been released yet?

Please reconsider this.

[killnoob]

please stop talking like Legion , you are not "we"...

[Aznable Char]

 We cannot make the same mistake that BioWare has made . Here are some of the mistakes I'm talking about:

1. We are excluding a very VOCAL section of the fanbase that are ready to disavow any association with HTL if we go forward with this initiative

2. It is not UNIVERSALLY popular . Only universally popular things get real news because it shows that we are a UNITED movement not a splintered one 

3. The effect to cost ratio is SO LOW with how much money you guys are proposing . Imagine if we bought 10,000 cups of ice cream for 10,000 kids and they're all 16 different flavours and we let the kids choose . THAT WILL GAIN SO MUCH MORE NEWS than "look .. they made a billboard"

4. I cannot stress this enough , The very fact that so many people react negatively to it AMONG THE RETAKERS is evidence that this will hurt the movement in general and will not generate money FAST ENOUGH at the same time .
It's not a question of getting the money fast enough either , it's a question of :
Why spend money on an idea that is not getting Universal Support when we can rally behind an initiative that actually gets support .

Do not make the mistake that Walters and Hudson did where they locked themselves in the room and although the other developers didn't stop them , they went ahead with their prideful "we must get attention" ending anyway .
Seek something that's universally loved and you will be seen as a paragon of this entire controversy .
Make the same mistake as they did and we'll be splintered . Losing even a small percentage will also mean that connections with the Facebook group will continued to be strained and that will undo all the good diplomacy that's been going back and forth .

Already they are disavowing this idea FOR GOOD REASON .

Please , no one is insulting anyone there and no one wants to sit on their hands . The movement has money to focus energies into , fine , then please please please funnel that money into something universally good .
I'm glad you guys did well to see how people feel about it . But DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF BIOWARE OF SEEING WHAT THE REACTION IS AND GOING AHEAD ANYWAY .

Seek a universally good plan instead of sticking to this idea . For the sake of ME wanting a new ending and for all of those out there who want a better chance at that , PLEASE reconsider . Be better than BioWare and recognize when an unpopular way of doing something is unpopular and do something else .

Modifié par Aznable Char, 10 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Quietness]

GBGriffin wrote...

Argh, need to stop posting from this phone.

Again, to clarify, "The fans" are funding a 9k billboard to protest free dlc, from a game and a developer that they can't list on said billboard, just because they aren't getting exactly what they wanted and still don't have to pay for it. That us how people who don't care about the groups will see it, and I can't blame them.

To the fans who do not support this, make it known. Hopefully, we can downplay this as the actions of a minority which doesn't speak for all of us. Hopefully, Keil's shortsightedness won't cost the fanbase, as a whole, too much if we voice our disagreement and lack of support.

And this is where we depart, not everyone wanted a free dlc that only expanded upon the endings. While i dont support the billboard(s?). I will remain patient to see what happens, but i am not happy about "clarification" and could care less about "free"(more than willing to pay for real endings)

[KeilxKey]

Athlonis1 wrote...

Jesus christ how did this become a vile flame war thread? I thought this was a clever little idea that would help spread a message. I'll admit the content of said billboard needs to be revised, but I don't really think it would create the "OMG HUGE NEGATIVE PRESS" that people seem to be saying it will. Jesus, did the cupcakes get such negative press? methinks not....

My thoughts as well. It's not like were threatening to commit mass sucicide over the endings. It's a billboard guys!