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[Joush]

PedEgg wrote...

Why not a poll where we get to vote on whether this is really a good idea? If you really want to represent Retake like that maybe you should consider a larger consensus, so to speak.

It needs at least 9,000 one dollar votes to work at all. If you don't like it, don't support it. Money is speach now, doncha know. *



*Thank you, Citizines United. 

[Aznable Char]

Athlonis1 wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

Athlonis1 wrote...

Jesus christ how did this become a vile flame war thread? I thought this was a clever little idea that would help spread a message. I'll admit the content of said billboard needs to be revised, but I don't really think it would create the "OMG HUGE NEGATIVE PRESS" that people seem to be saying it will. Jesus, did the cupcakes get such negative press? methinks not....

My thoughts as well. It's not like were threatening to commit mass sucicide over the endings. It's a billboard guys!

NO , it's not a billboard it's 9,000 dollars worth of BED PRESS and SPLIT MOVEMENT

And what should we do then? We've been given very little details about this free DLC they're making, bioware is STILL failing at basic communication skills, and there is only so much we can do in the digitil realm. Inaction would be to allow large companies to ****** on us, with the assurance that entering PR-bomb shelter mode and/or throwing us a tiny bone will allow them to avoid admitting fault....

Yes a billboard might be overdoing it. It might be tacky. But it's better than just stewing on forums. Better ideas are welcome. Please, discuss something else to work for to forward our cause.

Buy 10,000 cups of ice cream for several shelters implemented by 1000 ice cream shipments to different orphanages , homeless shelters , WHATEVER . 1000 dollars each (1 dollar a cup) . Or do something that doesn't melt . Do it over the course of 10 weeks if it's at the same place . That will guarantee CONSTANT media attention becuase we're pouring 10,000 dollars into something that is saying "hey look , CHOICE IS GOOD" That's my idea . 

I"m not saying it's the best idea I"m saying that we can certainly find a idea that's UNIVERSALLY POPULAR instead of something that is making the same mistake BioWare is making.

[Ieldra]

I am skeptical about the effect this new initiative will have. Sounds like it might get more negative PR. And the cost/effectiveness ratio is abysmal. As others have said, Bioware has taken a fairly large step which may even include changing some of the consequences of ME3's final choice. It would be fair to wait and see what they'll come up with.

Also the Extended Cut is already a compromise. They are compromising their original vision, as I've outlined in the Patrick Weekes Q&A thread, while keeping the core of it intact - which is where WE must compromise. We can't reasonably expect more than that.

[McAllyster]

I don't understand why do anybody thinks it is a bad idea.

Not bad at all. In fact several fan groups made similar actions - bought advertisements in magazines to urge tv studios to continue some series for example. It had never bad repercussions againts the movements - however generated much more media attention.

[GBGriffin]

Grimskull: Yeah, done posting from my phone.

Last thought: to Keil, do more to clarify this isn't on behalf of the BSN and all fans, and to people who do not support it, make it known so we can attempt to distance ourselves from it. That way, if this does happen, we can at least say we didn't want it as individuals.

[Occulo]

GBGriffin wrote...

Again, do you think the average driver will care if you're from one website or another, since you can't even mention the product or company.

For me, it wouldn't be about the drivers. It's about the message this would send out to game developers and publishers.

Big publishers view piracy as lost sales instead of sales that could never have been made anyway. With that mentality in mind, I think billboards might concern EA much more than protest movements on Facebook and Twitter. Here actual monetary transactions are involved--and they're not going to line EA's wallet. What's more, it's going to generate negative publicity for their products. That's worse than piracy isn't it?

Modifié par Occulo, 10 avril 2012 - 08:25 .

[Athlonis1]

Aznable Char wrote...

Athlonis1 wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

Athlonis1 wrote...

Jesus christ how did this become a vile flame war thread? I thought this was a clever little idea that would help spread a message. I'll admit the content of said billboard needs to be revised, but I don't really think it would create the "OMG HUGE NEGATIVE PRESS" that people seem to be saying it will. Jesus, did the cupcakes get such negative press? methinks not....

My thoughts as well. It's not like were threatening to commit mass sucicide over the endings. It's a billboard guys!

NO , it's not a billboard it's 9,000 dollars worth of BED PRESS and SPLIT MOVEMENT

And what should we do then? We've been given very little details about this free DLC they're making, bioware is STILL failing at basic communication skills, and there is only so much we can do in the digitil realm. Inaction would be to allow large companies to ****** on us, with the assurance that entering PR-bomb shelter mode and/or throwing us a tiny bone will allow them to avoid admitting fault....

Yes a billboard might be overdoing it. It might be tacky. But it's better than just stewing on forums. Better ideas are welcome. Please, discuss something else to work for to forward our cause.

Buy 10,000 cups of ice cream for several shelters implemented by 1000 ice cream shipments to different orphanages , homeless shelters , WHATEVER . 1000 dollars each (1 dollar a cup) . Or do something that doesn't melt . Do it over the course of 10 weeks if it's at the same place . That will guarantee CONSTANT media attention becuase we're pouring 10,000 dollars into something that is saying "hey look , CHOICE IS GOOD" That's my idea . 

I"m not saying it's the best idea I"m saying that we can certainly find a idea that's UNIVERSALLY POPULAR instead of something that is making the same mistake BioWare is making.

Alright. Progress. Good. Now, start discussing alternatives with the OP in a calmer manner. I think it'll get somewhere. I too would like to avoid bad press, so I'm all ears.

[DJBare]

McAllyster wrote...
I don't understand why do anybody thinks it is a bad idea.
Not bad at all. In fact several fan groups made similar actions - bought advertisements in magazines to urge tv studios to continue some series for example. It had never bad repercussions againts the movements - however generated much more media attention.

Because in the eyes of the press and general public we are still "whiney little brat gamers"; whether you like it or not, attitudes have not changed enough toward gamers for this to be a success.

[Sanrei]

Joush wrote...

PedEgg wrote...

Why not a poll where we get to vote on whether this is really a good idea? If you really want to represent Retake like that maybe you should consider a larger consensus, so to speak.

It needs at least 9,000 one dollar votes to work at all. If you don't like it, don't support it. Money is speach now, doncha know. *



*Thank you, Citizines United. 

Ah yes, so instead of actually listening you guys, like Bioware, have already made up your mind and will go ahead with whatever you want to do anyway.

And the poll... Three options that are really one option with slight variations... this is all so familiar.

Good job representing us guys. <_<

[Aznable Char]

 The OP is COUNTING THE SUPPORT instead of counting the COMPLAINTS .

Isn't that familiar ? "75 critics loved our ending !"

that's not going to matter if a significant section of the ones who dislike the ending are vocalizing their hatred for this idea .

Please , that doesn't mean that you guys have failed . It only means that you guys can be wiser than BioWare in that you guys can find a universally accepted initiative . I beg of you . Don't be the forum that's notorious for doing what BioWare did and just pushed forward with its initiative without reading the NEGATIVE FEEDBACK .

Even if you believe your'e right about the billboard , Please Please Please , not everyone agrees with you . In contrast , everyone agreed with the cupcakes and the Charity before .

Don't make the mistake Bioware did where they think they're right and they just ignore the complaints b/c it seemed like they were the minority ! Please . You're lucky enough that you guys haven't spent a dime yet . This is only in the idea phase . Walk away now and you avoid all this negativity . Come back with something else that people will love and you will be regarded as wiser than BioWare

Modifié par Aznable Char, 10 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[KeilxKey]

Joush wrote...

I'm not here to tell them how to end it, just that they failed. I don't know much about art, but I know what I like. And I don't like the end of ME 3.

Speaking of all this though, where are you collecting money?

through a chip in. It'll be linked in a few hours time. 

[HenchxNarf]

PedEgg wrote...

Joush wrote...

PedEgg wrote...

Why not a poll where we get to vote on whether this is really a good idea? If you really want to represent Retake like that maybe you should consider a larger consensus, so to speak.

It needs at least 9,000 one dollar votes to work at all. If you don't like it, don't support it. Money is speach now, doncha know. *



*Thank you, Citizines United. 

Ah yes, so instead of actually listening you guys, like Bioware, have already made up your mind and will go ahead with whatever you want to do anyway.

And the poll... Three options that are really one option with slight variations... this is all so familiar.

Good job representing us guys. <_<

*offers a cookie to help soothe the pain, and is totally not being sarcastic, either.* I honestly feel sorry for the ones that are getting lumped in with this that want nothing to do with it.

[Faded-Myth]

At 1:30am, I think I've said my piece enough. I'm hitting the road for the night, but I'll leave a reminder that I'm unsettled with this idea. I'll check back tomorrow morning to read the 500+ pages that I'm sure will have accrued since then.

[KeilxKey]

Aznable Char wrote...

 The OP is COUNTING THE SUPPORT instead of counting the COMPLAINTS .

Isn't that familiar ? "75 critics loved our ending !"

that's not going to matter if a significant section of the ones who dislike the ending are vocalizing their hatred for this idea .

Please , that doesn't mean that you guys have failed . It only means that you guys can be wiser than BioWare in that you guys can find a universally accepted initiative . I beg of you . Don't be the forum that's notorious for doing what BioWare did and just pushed forward with its initiative without reading the NEGATIVE FEEDBACK .

Even if you believe your'e right about the billboard , Please Please Please , not everyone agrees with you . In contrast , everyone agreed with the cupcakes and the Charity before .

Don't make the mistake Bioware did where they think they're right and they just ignore the complaints b/c it seemed like they were the minority ! Please . You're lucky enough that you guys haven't spent a dime yet . This is only in the idea phase . Walk away now and you avoid all this negativity . Come back with something else that people will love and you will be regarded as wiser than BioWare

Well we kind of planned to do this from the get go so...yeah. 

[Joush]

Nobody's discounting complains or reservations about this. If you don't like it, don't donate to it and put up a compelling reason you think other people shouldn't either.

[Quietness]

I just finished reviewing :

http://www.holdtheli...on-related.796/

For representing 1000+ i am only seeing 106. You are becoming worse than what we have already been dealing with. Just because you have 1000+ in the group does not mean that everyone supports this idea. On top of this ive seen references to how the negative feedback is good.....

Wow this whole HTL Billboard thing is really just an abomination of what a lot of us have been trying to fight against.

[CheeseEnchilada]

McAllyster wrote...

I don't understand why do anybody thinks it is a bad idea.

Not bad at all. In fact several fan groups made similar actions - bought advertisements in magazines to urge tv studios to continue some series for example. It had never bad repercussions againts the movements - however generated much more media attention.

Did that happen right after the developers decided to release a free DLC that helped to clarify what the fans disliked? Seriously, we have to take that into account here. Whether or not someone agrees with the assumed content, it's going to be very easy to call anyone against free content 'whiny' or 'entitled'. By advertising this right after a concession has been made, it comes across as being rather aggressive, and passionate in the worst sense. I would be shocked if this was portrayed in a positive light, and it lacks the goodwill that the charity and cupcake ideas had. 

[DJBare]

Joush wrote...

Nobody's discounting complains or reservations about this. If you don't like it, don't donate to it and put up a compelling reason you think other people shouldn't either.

Well, that's all they can do since there is no vote option to state they are not in agreement.

[darkshadow136]

 I want to say first that I support the #ReTakeMassEffect movement, but I don't support the Billboard campaign. I feel it is a waste of time and money and sends the wrong impression and message to people looking at us from  the outside.

I feel any extended cut that still includes the Starchild is a slap in the face to the continuity and lore of the Mass Effect series. If Bioware really want's to defend the Artistic Integrity of the series, they should defend the rest of the writers that wrote most of the  series and established the continuity, not one writer that wrote an ending that destroyed 5 years of creativity.

That being said we should continue in civil discourse with Bioware and avoid unnecessary campaigns that can paint us as whiny cry babies, or spoiled Gamer's etc. We should not have to lower ourselves to the levels some sites and critics have to get our point across.

We should wait continue to give feedback in a civil way, and wait and see what Bioware produces with this extended cut. Maybe, just maybe they will change their stance from now till then. If we continue to use inflammatory tactics against Bioware without seeing what they are working on, we will be the ones painted as villains. 

This situation is like a game of Chess Bioware has made a series of moves, and if we do not take our time looking over the board when can not only lose our queen, but force our king into a checkmate position. It is time to take a deep breath, still be vocal, but in a restrained way so we don't reverse our advantage.

Emotions need to be checked at the door when trying to fight for a cause in a positive way, without tarnishing the historic change we have made in the gaming medium.

Modifié par darkshadow136, 10 avril 2012 - 08:31 .

[Jenonax]

This will not end well.

I accept your right to voice your concerns in this way. I implore you to be ready to deal with the consequences.

This will be perceived as whiny and entitled, labels which they have not been able to make stick so far. This, however, is taking things too far.

[KeilxKey]

Quietness wrote...

I just finished reviewing :

http://www.holdtheli...on-related.796/

For representing 1000+ i am only seeing 106. You are becoming worse than what we have already been dealing with. Just because you have 1000+ in the group does not mean that everyone supports this idea. On top of this ive seen references to how the negative feedback is good.....

Wow this whole HTL Billboard thing is really just an abomination of what a lot of us have been trying to fight against.

This is our retake tally. We started it up yesterday. 


http://dimitryvin.co...s/retake/tally/

[HenchxNarf]

Quietness wrote...

I just finished reviewing :

http://www.holdtheli...on-related.796/

For representing 1000+ i am only seeing 106. You are becoming worse than what we have already been dealing with. Just because you have 1000+ in the group does not mean that everyone supports this idea. On top of this ive seen references to how the negative feedback is good.....

Wow this whole HTL Billboard thing is really just an abomination of what a lot of us have been trying to fight against.

I don't think I've ever agreed with you, but I do on this wholeheartedly.

[Mastermadskills]

Proposed billboard lacks information.

Clarify what?  Who needs to clarify?  Why does there need to be clarification? 

Another detracting feature is the lack of anything but a black background with small print.

Small print hard to read.



Overall:  This will be..... problematic.

Would recommend new proposed image.

Let me make you one.  Give me a minute.

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 10 avril 2012 - 08:33 .

[Jadebaby]

NubXL wrote...

Waste of money. Go buy some sandwiches for homeless kids or something.

[Aznable Char]

 You guys talk about transparency all the time , May I ask who is on the decision team please ? I would like to make sure that they hear my calm and supportive arguments . Please don't get me wrong , I really really want you guys to succeed . I'm not here to troll I'm here to tell you guys how you can transform this into an opportunity at being better than BioWare and not becoming a microcosm of them and following their business practices of ignoring negative reactions to what you guys might legitimately conclude to be a great idea . 

For the sake of transparency may I have their names ?

Modifié par Aznable Char, 10 avril 2012 - 08:33 .