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[BurnOutBrighter]

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

"Aware of our concerns." That's a good one. BioWare haven't even acknowledged that fans believe there are plot holes in the ending, let alone acknowledged them themselves.

[Thornquist]

Are you guys serious?

Billboards? What a WASTE of money. At one point you need to realise that this is ultimately just a game, and move on.

[Quietness]

KeilxKey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

I just finished reviewing :

http://www.holdtheli...on-related.796/

For representing 1000+ i am only seeing 106. You are becoming worse than what we have already been dealing with. Just because you have 1000+ in the group does not mean that everyone supports this idea. On top of this ive seen references to how the negative feedback is good.....

Wow this whole HTL Billboard thing is really just an abomination of what a lot of us have been trying to fight against.

This is our retake tally. We started it up yesterday. 


http://dimitryvin.co...s/retake/tally/

Yup thats nice, i accidently signed up on there yesterday, i dont support the billboard. You arent speaking for me which makes your statements stating you are false. I see many others who dont support the billboard on the post as well. Again you are only looking at those who support you rather than the whole picture, it is becoming no better than the whole "vocal minority" in regards to the ending bullcrap.

[magor1988x]

Love it. I hope we can get it together!

[Sanrei]

Then what's the harm of putting up a poll that actually gives Retake as a whole a REAL say in the matter?

Telling us to just not pitch in as a way of saying this is a bad idea is not putting the consideration of the whole into the mix.

Combine that with the fact that even if 9k each give a dollar that's still a very small representation of active, vocal fans, compared with the 60k in that iconic poll about the endings that was a popular indicator of the percentage of people unhappy with it.

[Joush]

DJBare wrote...

Well, that's all they can do since there is no vote option to state they are not in agreement.

Think of it like this, the OP says.. "I want to order pizza. Vote for what kind you want and donate some money if you'd like some too" 

And you are complaing that there is no option to say "let's not get pizza" on the "what kind of pizza?" poll. 

Your reason for not thinking pizza is a good idea is valid, but the poll isn't a referedium on the validity of the idea. Your option to voice approval or dissapproval is in this thread, other threads that will be made about it, and if you chip in money or not. 

Not to mention you can make a poll about this if you want. 

[KeilxKey]

Quietness wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

I just finished reviewing :

http://www.holdtheli...on-related.796/

For representing 1000+ i am only seeing 106. You are becoming worse than what we have already been dealing with. Just because you have 1000+ in the group does not mean that everyone supports this idea. On top of this ive seen references to how the negative feedback is good.....

Wow this whole HTL Billboard thing is really just an abomination of what a lot of us have been trying to fight against.

This is our retake tally. We started it up yesterday. 


http://dimitryvin.co...s/retake/tally/

Yup thats nice, i accidently signed up on there yesterday, i dont support the billboard. You arent speaking for me which makes your statements stating you are false. I see many others who dont support the billboard on the post as well. Again you are only looking at those who support you rather than the whole picture, it is becoming no better than the whole "vocal minority" in regards to the ending bullcrap.

How did you accidently sign up there? It's from our site.

[McAllyster]

DJBare wrote...

McAllyster wrote...
I don't understand why do anybody thinks it is a bad idea.
Not bad at all. In fact several fan groups made similar actions - bought advertisements in magazines to urge tv studios to continue some series for example. It had never bad repercussions againts the movements - however generated much more media attention.

Because in the eyes of the press and general public we are still "whiney little brat gamers"; whether you like it or not, attitudes have not changed enough toward gamers for this to be a success.

In the press like IGN - but nothing will change their opinion. 

On the other hand: campaigns like this could start a new approach. We are CUSTOMERS. We are using tools to express our concerns - like Facebook, Twitter or good old billboards.

[Joush]

PedEgg wrote...

Then what's the harm of putting up a poll that actually gives Retake as a whole a REAL say in the matter?

Telling us to just not pitch in as a way of saying this is a bad idea is not putting the consideration of the whole into the mix.

Combine that with the fact that even if 9k each give a dollar that's still a very small representation of active, vocal fans, compared with the 60k in that iconic poll about the endings that was a popular indicator of the percentage of people unhappy with it.

It's a public fourm. You can make a poll if you want. Noone will stop you.

[Ketten]

The area where this billboard is supposed to be is near where I live.

I'd like to see it go up if only to be amused every time I pass it, but that's the extent. This is pretty over-the-top.

[Flextt]

This is excessive and ineffective. Another action would miss its goals. Awareness was raised enough to the point of concessions and new campaigns would inadvertly open us to criticism, that we couldn't get enough.
Bottom line: Don't do this. The intended goal is getting fuzzy due to Bioware / EA's reaction.

[Quietness]

KeilxKey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

I just finished reviewing :

http://www.holdtheli...on-related.796/

For representing 1000+ i am only seeing 106. You are becoming worse than what we have already been dealing with. Just because you have 1000+ in the group does not mean that everyone supports this idea. On top of this ive seen references to how the negative feedback is good.....

Wow this whole HTL Billboard thing is really just an abomination of what a lot of us have been trying to fight against.

This is our retake tally. We started it up yesterday. 


http://dimitryvin.co...s/retake/tally/

Yup thats nice, i accidently signed up on there yesterday, i dont support the billboard. You arent speaking for me which makes your statements stating you are false. I see many others who dont support the billboard on the post as well. Again you are only looking at those who support you rather than the whole picture, it is becoming no better than the whole "vocal minority" in regards to the ending bullcrap.

How did you accidently sign up there? It's from our site.

It was linked through a facebook page, i was lead to believe it was retake. Again i love how you are just addressing a small portion of what i say and ignoring the rest.


Edit: Hey look someone from the "Creative Team"( whatever that is) Doesnt agree with the billboard as well. Are you speaking for them when you are stating that everyone does?

Modifié par Quietness, 10 avril 2012 - 08:39 .

[Aznable Char]

 RECAP OF WHY THIS IS BAD :

1. INEFFICIENT . Why spend 9000 on a billboard when we can buy more MEDIA ATTENTION by buying 10,000 cupcakes or ice cream with 16 different flavours (just one example)

2. NOT UNIVERSAL . The big thing about helping the children charity and the cupcakes was that it was UNIVERSALLY POPULAR

3. SAME MISTAKES AS EA/BIOWARE IN NOT LISTENING TO NEGATIVE REACTIONS EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU'RE RIGHT .

4. OPPORTUNITY TO TURN BACK . BioWare did not get this chance since we didn't know how they were going to end it before they did . Please Please Please , you' guys are lucky people care enough to tell you that this is not a good idea .

5. DON'T COUNT THE SUPPORTERS OF THE IDEA COUNT THOSE AGAINST . there wasn't even an option in the poll to say this is a bad idea ! that's the same mistake BioWare made by STICKING TO THEIR ENDING

Modifié par Aznable Char, 10 avril 2012 - 08:39 .

[DJBare]

Joush wrote...


Not to mention you can make a poll about this if you want. 

Nah, the poll is deliberately created to ignore those who are against the idea, it also pushes the curious to select a random vote just to see the results. ergo, extremely biased.

[HoustonDragon]

KeilxKey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

I just finished reviewing :

http://www.holdtheli...on-related.796/

For representing 1000+ i am only seeing 106. You are becoming worse than what we have already been dealing with. Just because you have 1000+ in the group does not mean that everyone supports this idea. On top of this ive seen references to how the negative feedback is good.....

Wow this whole HTL Billboard thing is really just an abomination of what a lot of us have been trying to fight against.

This is our retake tally. We started it up yesterday. 


http://dimitryvin.co...s/retake/tally/

Yeah... I see a giant single button, and a number total. I also see only an "appreciation tally" link from the front of your site. There's nothing on the main page or the actual Tally page stating that these members are in support in ANY way of this hare-brained billboard scheme, or even that anyone who randomly clicked said button has any clue that's what YOU'RE currently malingering their support towards.

False advertising. Misleading descriptions. Ignoring the opinions of other fans directly. Wow, maybe you should apply with EA directly on your billboard. You guys seem to be following their business ethics quite nicely.

[Eain]

DJBare wrote...

McAllyster wrote...
I don't understand why do anybody thinks it is a bad idea.
Not bad at all. In fact several fan groups made similar actions - bought advertisements in magazines to urge tv studios to continue some series for example. It had never bad repercussions againts the movements - however generated much more media attention.

Because in the eyes of the press and general public we are still "whiney little brat gamers"; whether you like it or not, attitudes have not changed enough toward gamers for this to be a success.

And all the press in the world can change their mind and call us the greatest fans a developer could be blessed with, but if Bioware does not believe that the Spacekid is bad storytelling then it won't get changed. You have to understand that they support this ending. They wrote it, they reviewed it, they approved of it. They thought that this makes sense.

Look, I'm as devastated as anyone was by how the ME trilogy ended, but we're a month further now and I've come to accept the truth that it's just not going to change. Billboards or fundraisers or cupcake campaigns aren't going to change the notion that Bioware enjoys the ending while the rest of the world does not.

Is it a shame? Sure it's a shame. But this is life. Sometimes things don't turn out the way you planned. Sometimes good stories get ruined. And sometimes they don't. New game franchises will be born and they'll be better. And that's all I personally need, as a gamer.

Beyond that, I'm a creative enough individual, and so are many people on this forum. I don't see why we can't pool resources together to develop an alternate ending ourselves. Surely there are modders out there capable of doing this? We rent a voice recording studio, we put some people skilled in Unreal Engine 3 on it, and we pool together resources to build a mod that fixes the ending. If that's that important to the fans, why not do this instead waste time and effort appealing to Bioware?

I'm genuinely curious.

Modifié par Eain, 10 avril 2012 - 08:41 .

[Faded-Myth]

*Sigh* This whole thread makes me sad.

I really, really should go to sleep.

[KeilxKey]

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

[Quietness]

Faded-Myth wrote...

*Sigh* This whole thread makes me sad.

I really, really should go to sleep.

yea 3am here, and i have to be up in 3 hours, but this is just so amazingly rediculous.

[Sanrei]

Joush wrote...

It's a public fourm. You can make a poll if you want. Noone will stop you.

Ah, but this is the thread with all the attention is it not?

And I will shoulder no responsibility that should be that of the presenters of the idea in the first place, especially if they wish to speak on the behalf of others..

Go ahead and waste your time and money, and know you did it with the same disregard that EA/Bioware has for every fan who knows the artistic integrety defense is as flimsy as a wet paper sack.

At least with the charity and cupcakes less fortunate people benefited in the end. This is a true definition of wasteful.

Modifié par PedEgg, 10 avril 2012 - 08:42 .

[Joush]

DJBare wrote...

Joush wrote...


Not to mention you can make a poll about this if you want. 

Nah, the poll is deliberately created to ignore those who are against the idea, it also pushes the curious to select a random vote just to see the results. ergo, extremely biased.

It's a bad poll, and their website is a mess. Still, 9 grand to give a giant middle finger about Bioware's "clarfication" amuses me, and seems to tickle other people. If enough go with it, then it happens. If enough people don't support it, it goes away. 

The poll itself dosn't decied anything, execpt a funding goal for the project. You can vote with your wallet. 

[Quietness]

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

Actually you have the potential to fail at this so hard it could turn the people that support us away.

[Faded-Myth]

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

Just as I'm about to go, here we go again.

We get mixed press. We have had people on our side because there was something to relate to. A decnt amount of press actually understood our concerns. Not all agreed with our methods of getting the point across, but there was some respect there.

Just because we've had bad press, doesn't mean we should attract more.

[KeilxKey]

WHO CARES IF IT IS WASTEFUL OR NOT!!!

Seriously, we aren't robbing money from you guys and adding it to our donation. No one has to donate. We are simply asking to those who like this idea to help us out with 5/10 bucks at most.

[Aznable Char]

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

Please I don't mean to insult you or anyone here , but take a lesson from BioWare . They don't understand why the fans see it as bad even though a SIGNIFICANT portion of the fans do see their ending as bad .

This might be the same case here . We have to accept the reality that you are not going to somehow magically convince a great number of people that this is a good idea . I urge you that where we have found universal acclamation before with the other initiatives we can do so again . Just not with this one . This doesn't mean rest on our hands , it means move forward with something else . I beg of you .