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[KeilxKey]

Faded-Myth wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

Just as I'm about to go, here we go again.

We get mixed press. We have had people on our side because there was something to relate to. A decnt amount of press actually understood our concerns. Not all agreed with our methods of getting the point across, but there was some respect there.

Just because we've had bad press, doesn't mean we should attract more.

I've gotten countless pm's already about how people love this, and i've seen some responses that are in favor as well (in this thread, and in the general discussion thread).

 You say pay attention to the one's who hate this idea...so does that mean I ignore that one's who are in favor of this idea?

[nitefyre410]

Thornquist wrote...

Are you guys serious?

Billboards? What a WASTE of money. At one point you need to realise that this is ultimately just a game, and move on.

  

Its not that much of a waste

 a Billboard campaign get Tim Tebow and  starting  QB job in Denver

[HenchxNarf]

Faded-Myth wrote...

*Sigh* This whole thread makes me sad.

I really, really should go to sleep.

I feel ya.

I have to be up in a few hours, but it's like a train wreck... can't..look..away.

[Joush]

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

People on the internet are passionat. It's the blessing and curse of things. I'd suggest next time make it more clear that if you don't support or like the idea you don't have to worry about it. Maybe offer an outlet on your next poll for people to voice disapproval.

Other tips: Be ready to go collecting donations when you put up the poll for the idea, and don't dismiss negative optinons. You've said your peace though, if people disagree with you, that's their right. They don't have the right to stop you from persueing your idea. 

[Quietness]

KeilxKey wrote...

WHO CARES IF IT IS WASTEFUL OR NOT!!!

Seriously, we aren't robbing money from you guys and adding it to our donation. No one has to donate. We are simply asking to those who like this idea to help us out with 5/10 bucks at most.

You are worse than the people who i've had to deal with on here with the sheer amount of cherry picking being done. Its so beyond frustrating because it could do far more harm than potential good, and you are no better than the crap we've been dealing with on the otherside of the spectrum.

This is going to do more harm than good just wait and see.

[Ketten]

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

Because I feel the amount of effort put into this could go into something better. Something that people can benefit from besides just looking at it and going, "Clever sign, back to my day," and never look at it again.

It could be something creative like commissioning Monster Dan to create Marauder Shields or something of that sort and send it to BioWare, or making a mini Crucible with three colored buttons.

www.gourmetpapermache.com/ - Monster Dan if interested.

Modifié par Ketten, 10 avril 2012 - 08:47 .

[DJBare]

KeilxKey wrote...
I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Then you have obviously not thought this through, many here have given clear and precise reasons why this is a bad idea, actually, it's already happening, right here in this thread.

[Aznable Char]

KeilxKey wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

Just as I'm about to go, here we go again.

We get mixed press. We have had people on our side because there was something to relate to. A decnt amount of press actually understood our concerns. Not all agreed with our methods of getting the point across, but there was some respect there.

Just because we've had bad press, doesn't mean we should attract more.

I've gotten countless pm's already about how people love this, and i've seen some responses that are in favor as well (in this thread, and in the general discussion thread).

 You say pay attention to the one's who hate this idea...so does that mean I ignore that one's who are in favor of this idea?

Yes , because those same people who are LOVING this idea will STILL love the NEW idea that you guys can come up with that will still accomplish the same task except bring in UNIVERSAL SUPPORT .

Please . Don't make the same mistake BioWare made by only listening to the fans who like the ending and only offering clarification . 

BioWare could have released a DLC that would have received universal acclaim except their sticking to their guns . Why are we making the same mistake with an initiative ?

Modifié par Aznable Char, 10 avril 2012 - 08:48 .

[Greeneye-s]

What a waste of money. Everyone who cares about changing the ending already knows about it. Whats the point of advertising to a public which won't understand or doesn't care.

[Lone_Wolf0]

darkshadow136 wrote...

 I want to say first that I support the #ReTakeMassEffect movement, but I don't support the Billboard campaign. I feel it is a waste of time and money and sends the wrong impression and message to people looking at us from  the outside.

I feel any extended cut that still includes the Starchild is a slap in the face to the continuity and lore of the Mass Effect series. If Bioware really want's to defend the Artistic Integrity of the series, they should defend the rest of the writers that wrote most of the  series and established the continuity, not one writer that wrote an ending that destroyed 5 years of creativity.

That being said we should continue in civil discourse with Bioware and avoid unnecessary campaigns that can paint us as whiny cry babies, or spoiled Gamer's etc. We should not have to lower ourselves to the levels some sites and critics have to get our point across.

We should wait continue to give feedback in a civil way, and wait and see what Bioware produces with this extended cut. Maybe, just maybe they will change their stance from now till then. If we continue to use inflammatory tactics against Bioware without seeing what they are working on, we will be the ones painted as villains. 

This situation is like a game of Chess Bioware has made a series of moves, and if we do not take our time looking over the board when can not only lose our queen, but force our king into a checkmate position. It is time to take a deep breath, still be vocal, but in a restrained way so we don't reverse our advantage.

Emotions need to be checked at the door when trying to fight for a cause in a positive way, without tarnishing the historic change we have made in the gaming medium.

^THIS
I beg of you, OP, do not go through with this. It is just going to reinforce the negative image that some people have been trying to paint on us this whole time. Right after a concession from Bioware this comes across as very whiny and entitled, especially because we do not know exactly what they are planning. Too strong too soon.
Despite having an intense dislike for the endings, I do not support this idea, and if you do go through with it, I would request that you point out that you are NOT a representative of the whole movement, and acknowledge the negative feedback from people. You may not care what others or the press think, but without a good public image the retake movement will be in very deep waters, and this stunt WILL affect the whole movement, regardless of how you try to paint it.
EDIT: I also believe that the cost is far too high to make it worth the effects, most of which will likely be negative.

Modifié par Lone_Wolf0, 10 avril 2012 - 08:49 .

[johnny532]

Stick to donating money to charities, this is too much money to waste on complaining about a videogame on a billboard.

[acidic-ph0]

Turning our frustration and anger into something positive like charity donations I can agree with.

This billboard campaign however... it's beyond stupid. Honestly I'd say it's the second biggest screw up I've seen come from any organization, with ME3's ending being the first.

Besides, this billboard wont accomplish anything that hasn't already been done. Bioware has already shown us that they don't give a rat's ass about the fans. The aren't going to fix their poorly written ending at all, just polish that turd a little with future DLC.

Modifié par acidic-ph0, 10 avril 2012 - 08:49 .

[Faded-Myth]

KeilxKey wrote...
I've gotten countless pm's already about how people love this, and i've seen some responses that are in favor as well (in this thread, and in the general discussion thread).

 You say pay attention to the one's who hate this idea...so does that mean I ignore that one's who are in favor of this idea?

Not at all. it's the last thing I'd do. But reading this thread makes me feel that those who oppose the idea are being ignored for the sake of a radical idea. There needs to be an actual unbiassed survey. A brand new poll with an option for constructively negative feedback. Right now, we have no "no" vote so we have to write it out. This cannot be ignored.

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 10 avril 2012 - 08:50 .

[HoustonDragon]

Joush wrote...
It's a bad poll, and their website is a mess. Still, 9 grand to give a giant middle finger about Bioware's "clarfication" amuses me, and seems to tickle other people. If enough go with it, then it happens. If enough people don't support it, it goes away. 

The poll itself dosn't decied anything, execpt a funding goal for the project. You can vote with your wallet. 

That's exactly the point. It damages any credibility that the Retakers had toward wanting to see a change to the endings, and even towards the concilliation and compromise that EA/Bioware has already done. It -WAS- a tremendeous step for a group of gamers to get enough GOOD attention to bring them to the table for the upcoming DLC. It's akin to the fans of Firefly (as a similar example) raising enough support and attention to bring about the feature film of Serenity.

This does not. All this is doing is further fracturing an already splintered group over disporportionate goals, and continues to drive home that HTL is more and more of a fringe group. Trying to rally up support for a nerd-raging "middle finger" to the developers is frankly crappy to the extreme. Bioware is an entertainment company; Mass Effect 3 is entertainment. Maybe not everyone likes it (hell, not everyone liked Titanic either, yet it's the highest grossing film of all time, go figure). All this does is allow and give ammunition to the general perception that gamers are an immature and whiny group who cannot be satisfied, no matter the compromises.

I disagree with, and will continue to strongly oppose this action.

[KeilxKey]

Ketten wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

I still don't understand why this idea is hated.

Inefficent? Maybe. But we various donation drives already set up. Don't like this idea, then simply don't donate to our campaign.

Bad press? We get bad press regardless.

I'm really confused where all these "thiz is horrible!!!!" is coming from.

Because I feel the amount of effort put into this could go into something better. Something that people can benefit from besides just looking at it and going, "Clever sign, back to my day," and never look at it again.

It could be something creative like commissioning Monster Dan to create Marauder Shields or something of that sort and send it to BioWare, or making a mini Crucible with three colored buttons.

www.gourmetpapermache.com/ - Monster Dan if interested.

again. don't like it. don't donate. simple. 

[Phoenix_Fyre]

If this gets pulled off.... I can't wait to see the media's take on this.

*makes note to buy extra popcorn and soda

[Mastermadskills]

ALTERNATIVE IDEA FOR BANNER:





Explains topic.  Shows reaction.  Inspires people to find out what it is about.  Less space is..... black.  Catches the attention of everyone driving by.  Clearly addressed to Bioware.

This will go far if you choose it. 

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 10 avril 2012 - 08:50 .

[Flextt]

Problem: If you make that billboard, it stands for Retake as a whole. You even sign with holdtheline.com. That's why "Don't donate, don't worry" does not work.
Problem: While the campaign might raise awareness, what do you hope to achieve now with it?
Problem: Since EA / Bioware reacted with Extended Cut, don't you think we will come off as desperate and unable to please with the campaign?
Problem: Charities are universially liked. How do you justify using the resources to spite Bioware employees instead of making a donation?

Answer these questions and persuade me.

Modifié par Flextt, 10 avril 2012 - 08:51 .

[GBGriffin]

KeilxKey wrote...

WHO CARES IF IT IS WASTEFUL OR NOT!!!
 

I feel like this should go in the OP.

[Sanrei]

You know what, the more I think about it the more I realize that by insisting you get a REAL idea on who supports this I'm not trying to protect retake, I'm trying to protect you from yourselves.

And I'm tired of doing that so good luck. Enjoy.

[KeilxKey]

Flextt wrote...

Problem: If you make that billboard, it stands for Retake as a whole.
Problem: While the campaign might raise awareness, what do you hope to achieve now with it?
Problem: Since EA / Bioware reacted with Extended Cut, don't you think we will come off as desperate and unable to please with the campaign?
Problem: Charities are universially liked. How do you justify using the resources to spite Bioware employees instead of making a donation?

Answer these questions and persuade me.

We're not even mentioning retake on the billboard.

We're pimping our site, our orgaization hold the line. 

[acidic-ph0]

Also, let's be honest.

People freaking hate billboards. We get bombarded with advertisements all the time... On TV, on the radio, on the internet, in our videogames, on the road, in the sky.... Let's not add to that.

[KeilxKey]

GBGriffin wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...

WHO CARES IF IT IS WASTEFUL OR NOT!!!
 

I feel like this should go in the OP.

Yeah I'll put it simple since I'm getting anoyed, frusterated, and tired.

 Don't like it. Don't donate. Simple enough to understand?<_<

[Lone_Wolf0]

Faded-Myth wrote...

KeilxKey wrote...
I've gotten countless pm's already about how people love this, and i've seen some responses that are in favor as well (in this thread, and in the general discussion thread).

 You say pay attention to the one's who hate this idea...so does that mean I ignore that one's who are in favor of this idea?

Not at all. it's the last thing I'd do. But reading this thread makes me feel that those who oppose the idea are being ignored for the sake of a radical idea. There needs to be an actual unbiassed survey. A brand new poll with an option for constructively negative feedback. Right now, we have no "no" vote so we have to write it out. This cannot be ignored.

^Another important point that needs to be addressed. Some of the worse things in history have come from rushed decisions. We need an actual unbiased poll with a no option, or any argument you make for support is completely ungrounded and lacks credibility. Give EVERYONE a chance to express what they really think, not just those who might support the idea. And rushing this by saying there might not be enough time is not a good reason to do it.

[Faded-Myth]

There's that word again. Organization.

I remember back when Retake was just a name for a collective group of people who disliked the ending. Retake described us. It didn't become us.