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[GBGriffin]

 

FabricatedWookie wrote...

 I know waiting costs a turn but isn't that technically a non-action?

Well, if you feel the need to do something, post suggestions in the sticky threads or just go debate pro or anti-IT to pass the time.

McAllyster wrote...


If wait until summer this will be a cold case. Waiting until summer is equal to accept EC.

Um...why shouldn't we accept EC and protest it once we actually know more about it...as in, once they release it? It's happening. It's coming in the summer. Do you want them to just take it off the table (they didn't have to offer it to begin with) and just give us the endings as is? 

[McAllyster]

GBGriffin wrote...

 

FabricatedWookie wrote...

 I know waiting costs a turn but isn't that technically a non-action?

Well, if you feel the need to do something, post suggestions in the sticky threads or just go debate pro or anti-IT to pass the time.

McAllyster wrote...


If wait until summer this will be a cold case. Waiting until summer is equal to accept EC.

Um...why shouldn't we accept EC and protest it once we actually know more about it...as in, once they release it? It's happening. It's coming in the summer. Do you want them to just take it off the table (they didn't have to offer it to begin with) and just give us the endings as is? 

Because EC will not solve the main problems. EC will not create new endings - just extend the existing ending, which is really bad.

[Mastermadskills]

I was onboard until I saw the price tag for these billboards.

Too much is simply too much.

BEST COURSE OF ACTION:

Erase main post contents and rename thread "DELETE ME".

You put a lot of time into this. We know. But some ideas aren't meant to come to fruition. This is one such idea.

[ReavousX]

[quote]McAllyster wrote...

[quote]DarkBladeX98 wrote...

IMHO we should realize: this debate has a larger scale. This is not just about ME3 ending. This is about the whole industry.

If we lose... than the major publishers will learn one thing: with enough patience they can survive any controversy. They can do any new releases on the "usual way". Rushed development cycles, PR double-talkings, etc...

But if we win... that's a clear message to the studios: "You have to take care of your CUSTOMERS." Because we are not just "players", entitled fans, etc. We are PAYING CUSTOMERS. You have to answer well to our demands. 

So...

Let's put aside this billboard campaign idea. What kind of community action should we do next?

[/quote]

You should check out Retake ME3's Facebook page.  We're moving into a "Retake Gaming" movement which does exactly what you're hinting at here, rather than you know, wasting thousands of dollars on a billboard.

What has gotten us this far is creativity and love for the Mass Effect series.  There are plenty of ways we can continue to get Bioware's attention without doing a billboard.  We've already accomplished a great deal.  EA greenlighting free DLC is a victory in and of itself, although it's not exactly what we're aiming for.  

[Mastermadskills]

McAllyster wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

 

FabricatedWookie wrote...

 I know waiting costs a turn but isn't that technically a non-action?

Well, if you feel the need to do something, post suggestions in the sticky threads or just go debate pro or anti-IT to pass the time.

McAllyster wrote...


If wait until summer this will be a cold case. Waiting until summer is equal to accept EC.

Um...why shouldn't we accept EC and protest it once we actually know more about it...as in, once they release it? It's happening. It's coming in the summer. Do you want them to just take it off the table (they didn't have to offer it to begin with) and just give us the endings as is? 

Because EC will not solve the main problems. EC will not create new endings - just extend the existing ending, which is really bad.

Right.

So join MY movement.

It's the only one that has potential to work.

See my signature for details.

[Silasqtx]

Too far. This will probably get things worse, way worse.

If only they could come here on BSN, sit an hour and an half and talk with the community ACTIVELY, without hiding behind high metacritic scores from IGN lackeys and stuff, JUST to work together on the EC, that would be both fantastic and iconic.

[LolaLei]

This is a bad idea, plus it's not gonna benefit anyone.

[ReavousX]

GBGriffin wrote...

 

FabricatedWookie wrote...

 I know waiting costs a turn but isn't that technically a non-action?

Well, if you feel the need to do something, post suggestions in the sticky threads or just go debate pro or anti-IT to pass the time.

McAllyster wrote...


If wait until summer this will be a cold case. Waiting until summer is equal to accept EC.

Um...why shouldn't we accept EC and protest it once we actually know more about it...as in, once they release it? It's happening. It's coming in the summer. Do you want them to just take it off the table (they didn't have to offer it to begin with) and just give us the endings as is? 

I think the whole reason it's important for fans to keep reaching out to Bioware with their opinions and what they want to see happen, is because Bioware doesn't know what they're doing with this DLC yet.  This is the "speak now or forever hold your peace" part...going silent now might be a huge mistake.  

[GBGriffin]

McAllyster wrote...



Because EC will not solve the main problems. EC will not create new endings - just extend the existing ending, which is really bad.

I swear, did I miss a fire sale at the magic crystal ball sale? 

Also, to me, the plotholes were the main problems, and if they clarify them as they claim they will, then so be it. A new ending was nice, but I always knew it'd be asking too much from a design perspective.

If it doesn't solve the plotholes, protest it once it's out. It's what they've announced for the time being, and I expect it's what we'll get. I doubt they'd go through the trouble of crafting a blog and a statement only to change it in the wake of even more protests.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 10 avril 2012 - 12:11 .

[GBGriffin]

ReavousX wrote...



I think the whole reason it's important for fans to keep reaching out to Bioware with their opinions and what they want to see happen, is because Bioware doesn't know what they're doing with this DLC yet.  This is the "speak now or forever hold your peace" part...going silent now might be a huge mistake.  

Except we've been speaking and we're getting what we're getting, even if people claim it isn't enough.

If you want to vocalize and not remain silent, then post criticism, don't stage yet another grand protest gesture. They aren't needed because they already resulted in something, something that didn't have to exist in the first place.

[Jeitiiea]

I've been onboard with the whole Retake movement because I wasn't happy with the endings.

I've been PROUD of the Retake movement because of the originality, creativity, and overall positive nature of the protest methodology used to date.

As a protest mechanism, this idea is conservative, traditional, and far too negative. I'd advocate thinking a little bit further outside the box, and considering a mechanism which will have a positive result, beyond "shaming" Bioware or directing negative attention towards the company which made this amazing game that we love.

Yes, they dropped the ball on the endings. Yes, we are all aware that the DLC may not be what we want, and some agree that pressure should be maintained. Maintain the pressure - but don't lose the creativity, ingenuity or good-natured approach to presenting that feedback to Bioware.

This idea diminishes the awesomeness of what came before it. And it makes me very sad to have to say that, but it's my honest opinion.

[ReavousX]

Mastermadskills wrote...

Please.

Delete this thread:

Edit main topic ---->Erase All Contents----->Rename thread----->Please delete me.

Just wait. We WILL get negative press if it stays up.

You're like an anti-ending MintyCool.  Just stop.  You do your "movement" absolutely ZERO favors by acting like this.

[Mastermadskills]

ReavousX wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Please.

Delete this thread:

Edit main topic ---->Erase All Contents----->Rename thread----->Please delete me.

Just wait. We WILL get negative press if it stays up.

You're like an anti-ending MintyCool.  Just stop.  You do your "movement" absolutely ZERO favors by acting like this.

Sir, I'm not entirely sure why you are quoting a post that has nothing to do with HTW...

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 10 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Wow, I'm all for letting our voice get heard, but this isn't the way to go. It's reactionary, and aggressive.

[GBGriffin]

ReavousX wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Please.

Delete this thread:

Edit main topic ---->Erase All Contents----->Rename thread----->Please delete me.

Just wait. We WILL get negative press if it stays up.

You're like an anti-ending MintyCool.  Just stop.  You do your "movement" absolutely ZERO favors by acting like this.

While I don't agree with his movement,  this thread seriously needs to, at the very least, acknowledge that it's being reconsidered.

[Dendio1]

How would it inspire EA to help us. That's what I want to know.

It would be better to take the 30 grand and just put it on the table as a offer to EA themselves.

Modifié par Dendio1, 10 avril 2012 - 12:16 .

[McAllyster]

GBGriffin wrote...

ReavousX wrote...



I think the whole reason it's important for fans to keep reaching out to Bioware with their opinions and what they want to see happen, is because Bioware doesn't know what they're doing with this DLC yet.  This is the "speak now or forever hold your peace" part...going silent now might be a huge mistake.  

Except we've been speaking and we're getting what we're getting, even if people claim it isn't enough.

If you want to vocalize and not remain silent, then post criticism, don't stage yet another grand protest gesture. They aren't needed because they already resulted in something, something that didn't have to exist in the first place.

If you are satisfied with the promise of EC - good for you and I respect that.

However for me the promise of EC is not enough.

Sad thing - Bioware succesfully divided the community with this EC-stuff

[Grimskull89]

FabricatedWookie wrote...

In a sense the division can't be ignored because it is the reality. But my point is it is not a choice of the people who organize the website, and it certainly doesn't exist for want of trying. It was put the group in an awkward situation. They must be mindful of two groups, except one group they can't communicate with. Now they are subject to a mythology of being aggressive. Even though we have people that bring community questions with cookies. It is a division, but it is not an ideological division. Nobody disagrees with what the FB organizer says. the site is simply not accepted by the FB organizers. Thems the breaks.

I will only defend kellix with empathy, I am sure his heart was in the right place even if the conversation didn't go right.

My point is I have only seen a couple of people rage on the forum, and then they have calmed down. I have been chuffed to bits with the conversations that have gone on there, and I feel strongly about the quality of conversation in the community.

Not saying we can't get wrapped up in ourselves time to time, I just haven't seen anybody be afraid to apologize over there. Maybe there is something about going to a different board, get ideas about people being more combative and you set yourself up to be combative.

Simply put, until united divided we stand. I know the people over at HTL have aimed for unity, it is unfortunate this hasn't happened yet. I sympathize with them on this issue really I do.

To your point about combat, probably doesn't help that Jim's ideas were posted in what is named the war room over there. That's asking for something.

Modifié par Grimskull89, 10 avril 2012 - 12:17 .

[vaylander]

"Let go, begin again".

[Dendio1]

McAllyster wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

ReavousX wrote...



I think the whole reason it's important for fans to keep reaching out to Bioware with their opinions and what they want to see happen, is because Bioware doesn't know what they're doing with this DLC yet.  This is the "speak now or forever hold your peace" part...going silent now might be a huge mistake.  

Except we've been speaking and we're getting what we're getting, even if people claim it isn't enough.

If you want to vocalize and not remain silent, then post criticism, don't stage yet another grand protest gesture. They aren't needed because they already resulted in something, something that didn't have to exist in the first place.

If you are satisfied with the promise of EC - good for you and I respect that.

However for me the promise of EC is not enough.

Sad thing - Bioware succesfully divided the community with this EC-stuff

We can't force Bioware to do anything. The EC is probably the best possible offer.

[FabricatedWookie]

DoomManiac wrote...

Retake said on facebook that they don't want billboards,this is just pathetic

can you take time to tell me why it is pathetic? I have heard it a lot, but I am not sure of the reasons myself.

[ReavousX]

GBGriffin wrote...

ReavousX wrote...



I think the whole reason it's important for fans to keep reaching out to Bioware with their opinions and what they want to see happen, is because Bioware doesn't know what they're doing with this DLC yet.  This is the "speak now or forever hold your peace" part...going silent now might be a huge mistake.  

Except we've been speaking and we're getting what we're getting, even if people claim it isn't enough.

If you want to vocalize and not remain silent, then post criticism, don't stage yet another grand protest gesture. They aren't needed because they already resulted in something, something that didn't have to exist in the first place.

Well, I'm not the one pushing this terrible billboard idea.  If anything, the course of action should be just to keep plugging away using the vehicles that have already proven their effectiveness.  

Again, Bioware hasn't made any real decisions with the DLC yet.  It sounds a whole lot like they're going to put in scenes that were cut, and a text epilogue.  That's not satisfactory for a lot of people, so stopping the debate and protest now would be foolish.  

At this point, I've hung up the gloves and called it a day with this whole situation, but when I see a joke of an idea like a billboard come around, I felt the need to voice just how terrible of an idea it was. 

[Renew81]

I dont think this idea will send out the correct message in my opinion
its far to negative , the previous action where more positive and creative
and i believe the message came across.

[Jamie9]

Dendio1 wrote...

How would it inspire EA to help us. That's what I want to know.

It would be better to take the 30 grand and just put it on the table as a offer to EA themselves.

This. The only possible outcome of this is negative. Please reconsider. Turn it into something positive.

[FabricatedWookie]

Dendio1 wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

ReavousX wrote...



I think the whole reason it's important for fans to keep reaching out to Bioware with their opinions and what they want to see happen, is because Bioware doesn't know what they're doing with this DLC yet.  This is the "speak now or forever hold your peace" part...going silent now might be a huge mistake.  

Except we've been speaking and we're getting what we're getting, even if people claim it isn't enough.

If you want to vocalize and not remain silent, then post criticism, don't stage yet another grand protest gesture. They aren't needed because they already resulted in something, something that didn't have to exist in the first place.

If you are satisfied with the promise of EC - good for you and I respect that.

However for me the promise of EC is not enough.

Sad thing - Bioware succesfully divided the community with this EC-stuff

We can't force Bioware to do anything. The EC is probably the best possible offer.

If we kept it up we probably could have gotten star child dedded. He is slippery, they wouldn't have been able to hold on to him.