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[DJBare]

ReavousX wrote...
going silent now might be a huge mistake. 

To quote again from the game, "Theres always another way"

[Jamie9]

FabricatedWookie wrote...

DoomManiac wrote...

Retake said on facebook that they don't want billboards,this is just pathetic

can you take time to tell me why it is pathetic? I have heard it a lot, but I am not sure of the reasons myself.

It has a poor "money-to-effect" ratio. IE. expensive.

It is much more negative than the past efforts of the Retake movement.

There is not even close to a unanimous decision on this. No consensus. Divides the fanbase.

Unlikely to actually attract much attention. Any attention it does gather will be negative.

[FlyinElk212]

While I have my own doubts as to the effectiveness of a Billboard on a road in Edmonton (as opposed to directly messaging Bioware via methods like the Cupcake Method), I will say that it's another intriguing idea that deserves at least some consideration.

In terms of the poster design, since it IS a Billboard and I'm guessing you want not only Bioware reps but passers-by to know the message, it might be beneficial to make it more clear that it's Mass Effect 3 that we're talking about. Even if it's just ME3 logo in a corner somewhere. To the common passerby, I'm not sure they'll understand what this is for.

[ReavousX]

Mastermadskills wrote...

ReavousX wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Please.

Delete this thread:

Edit main topic ---->Erase All Contents----->Rename thread----->Please delete me.

Just wait. We WILL get negative press if it stays up.

You're like an anti-ending MintyCool.  Just stop.  You do your "movement" absolutely ZERO favors by acting like this.

Sir, I'm not entirely sure why you are quoting a post that has nothing to do with HTW...

It's in your signature, and you JUST made a reply plugging HTW.  Everything you post has to do with HTW, because your signature is an advertisement.  So, obviously, if you post inflammatory, immature stuff, it reflects poorly on HTW.  

I'd like to see this thread get nuked just as much as the next guy.  Just pointing out general jackassery. 

[wryterra]

Poll needs a 'no billboard' option so you can accurately assess the demand.

[Chaoswind]

This is silly and destructive, I joined because regardless of reasons everything done had a positive spin...

If this keeps going I will just leave and passively join the withhold the wallet instead.

[DJBare]

wryterra wrote...

Poll needs a 'no billboard' option so you can accurately assess the demand.

www.holdtheline.com/threads/continuing-with-the-billboard-campaign-or-not-community-discussion.833/

[SamJH90]

Horrible idea.

[hotdogbsg]

wryterra wrote...

Poll needs a 'no billboard' option so you can accurately assess the demand.

I thought the OP was going to start a poll on here to gauge reaction on whther the billboard should go ahead or not.

Although he might have decided against it as the popular opinion seems to be against the idea.

[MorSterling]

This has no positive spin and divides the supporters of retake, imo it should be scrapped.

I´m definitely agains it.

[GBGriffin]

 

McAllyster wrote...


If you are satisfied with the promise of EC - good for you and I respect that.

However for me the promise of EC is not enough.

Sad thing - Bioware succesfully divided the community with this EC-stuff

The thing is, I am not satisfied, but I have accepted that it took a lot of effort for even this much to happen. I am going to be patient and wait because they've announced what they're going to do and have started working on it. I don't expect them to revise their strategy just because people are continuing to complain.

I'm sorry to sound confrontational, but I don't care if it isn't enough for you, and they apparently don't either; it's what you're getting. You need to accept that, and you don't even know exactly what you're going to get! 

ReavousX wrote...

Well, I'm not the one pushing this terrible billboard idea.  If anything, the course of action should be just to keep plugging away using the vehicles that have already proven their effectiveness.  

Again, Bioware hasn't made any real decisions with the DLC yet.  It sounds a whole lot like they're going to put in scenes that were cut, and a text epilogue.  That's not satisfactory for a lot of people, so stopping the debate and protest now would be foolish.  

At this point, I've hung up the gloves and called it a day with this whole situation, but when I see a joke of an idea like a billboard come around, I felt the need to voice just how terrible of an idea it was. 

You're first two statements in the second paragraph are a little contradictroy. To me, I think they have a general idea of what to do, and they have started to do it.

The protests so far, in general, have been to raise awareness of the endings and that something needs to happened. 
The fact that we are getting DLC acknowledging that shows that they are willing to admit the endings need "clarified". People felt a new ending was needed and BioWare indicated, through their official statement (which many people wanted them to make) that they weren't changing it.

The issue now should be: this is what we're getting, so what should it contain? That, to me, can be suggested at an individual level, without a collective protest...since each individual would essentially be pushing their own ideas for what EC should contain and how it should work.

[MattFini]

Seems pretty silly to me.

I'm fine with giving BW a chance to rectify this on their own.

Everyone assumes the worst when it comes to what an "extended cut" entails, but it could be anything.

Personally speaking, I choose to be cautiously optimistic with regards to BioWare's DLC.

[Mims]

I am torn between my love of drama and common sense. /popcorn

I would say people in charge need to weigh the pro-cons of this.

- Expensive- that money could go to charity, or numerous smaller projects.
- Is "meaner", or at the very least, a more aggressive campaign. Cupcakes are cute because who doesn't like cupcakes? Aggression will make for more aggression from bioware/ea. I think better campaigns are going to be viral, and 'feely' things. That ME2 romance book was a great idea.
- Will take heavy negative spin in gaming press.
- But will get a LOT of press.

[GBGriffin]

Mims wrote...

I am torn between my love of drama and common sense. /popcorn

I would say people in charge need to weigh the pro-cons of this.

- Expensive- that money could go to charity, or numerous smaller projects.
- Is "meaner", or at the very least, a more aggressive campaign. Cupcakes are cute because who doesn't like cupcakes? Aggression will make for more aggression from bioware/ea. I think better campaigns are going to be viral, and 'feely' things. That ME2 romance book was a great idea.
- Will take heavy negative spin in gaming press.
- But will get a LOT of press.

What does getting us, the movement, not EA/BioWare (they're giving us something free, remember) negative press accomplish? Again, the notion that all publicity is good publicity is inaccurate; there has to be enough good publicity to account for the bad, and this is nothing but a negative attack.

[xztr]

I do not think this is a good idea atm.

[wryterra]

DJBare wrote...

wryterra wrote...

Poll needs a 'no billboard' option so you can accurately assess the demand.

www.holdtheline.com/threads/continuing-with-the-billboard-campaign-or-not-community-discussion.833/

Seeing as I'm not a member on holdtheline.com nor am I going to be, if you're going to poll the BSN then the BSN poll needs an option to say no. 

[edwardhazelden]

This is stupid.

[MachinaDrake86]

Ergh. I don't like the endings... but a Billboard is a bit too much. Please stop.

[Mims]

It was a pro/con list. A lot of them were cons. Its definitely not a good thing. However, if you simply want the story to 'never die', a billboard WILL get a lot of press. Its a gamble, but I do not think this one in particular will pay off.

[SgtGlory]

I agree with folks who are having qualms. After reading over the options and people's thought plus thinking about the actual effect, it will do nothing but hurt us in the long run. It would seem petty, plus a waste of money that could be better spent, and borders on downright harassment.

If it was purely about EA's bad business practices, I'd be all for it. But if it's aimed at BW - well, they're actually taking action and working on something - a billboard would seem like pointless needling, like an annoying supervisor (sorry boss) looking over your shoulder. Just my 2¢ anyway.

[Calmb4tehpwn]

To Update - This Campaign is suspended until further notice. Our intention has never been to divide the movements involed, and seeing as how this campaign threatens that, it has been suspended pending review. We are currently taking climate polls to judge the complete feel of the entire community (both Retake and HTL) and we pray that any damage done by announcing our intentions can be reversed.

I would like to attempt to contain this, but I think it may be difficult at this point. Please be assured that as the head of this initiative, know that I did not know this thread existed until now. I wont get into details, but aside from the information provided in the original post, I am not tied to any information or opinions provided here.

THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN SUSPENDED.

If you would like to be a part of the fate of this campaign, please join us on the Holtheline.com forums to discuss where this is going, and how we can focus on an initiative more of the community can get behind and support.

I personally am sorry that this has been both portrayed and received in the way is has been.
I take responsibility for this campaign, and any concerns you have regarding can be directed to me. I appreciate your concerns and we are doing everything we can to rectify this. Please understand that division was never our intent.

Michael Spaulding



To be

[GBGriffin]

Mims wrote...

It was a pro/con list. A lot of them were cons

Fair enough.

Its definitely not a good thing. However, if you simply want the story to 'never die', a billboard WILL get a lot of press. Its a gamble, but I do not think this one in particular will pay off.

The scary thing is that this is still being discussed and the BSN is being discouraged from voting on it...even though threads about it have already started popping up here thanks to KeilxKey's shortsighted thinking.

As for the story, let it simmer until summer, and if the EC sucks, protest then...they're starting to work on it, so something is clearly coming, and if it isn't great, then release is the time to draw attention to it.

Trying to keep the fire burning at a high intensity until that time, though, only leads to ideas like this.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 10 avril 2012 - 12:41 .

[Xrissie]

You know, this separation within a group/organisation? It could be straight from a Bioware game. Seriously.

Heretic geth, anyone?

[Syrin_]

FabricatedWookie wrote...

To your point about combat, probably doesn't help that Jim's ideas were posted in what is named the war room over there. That's asking for something.

Just wanted to point out, all of the forums are named after places in the Mass Effect universe. It's named after the War Room on the Normandy.

[ReavousX]

GBGriffin wrote...

 

McAllyster wrote...


If you are satisfied with the promise of EC - good for you and I respect that.

However for me the promise of EC is not enough.

Sad thing - Bioware succesfully divided the community with this EC-stuff

The thing is, I am not satisfied, but I have accepted that it took a lot of effort for even this much to happen. I am going to be patient and wait because they've announced what they're going to do and have started working on it. I don't expect them to revise their strategy just because people are continuing to complain.

I'm sorry to sound confrontational, but I don't care if it isn't enough for you, and they apparently don't either; it's what you're getting. You need to accept that, and you don't even know exactly what you're going to get! 

ReavousX wrote...

Well, I'm not the one pushing this terrible billboard idea.  If anything, the course of action should be just to keep plugging away using the vehicles that have already proven their effectiveness.  

Again, Bioware hasn't made any real decisions with the DLC yet.  It sounds a whole lot like they're going to put in scenes that were cut, and a text epilogue.  That's not satisfactory for a lot of people, so stopping the debate and protest now would be foolish.  

At this point, I've hung up the gloves and called it a day with this whole situation, but when I see a joke of an idea like a billboard come around, I felt the need to voice just how terrible of an idea it was. 

You're first two statements in the second paragraph are a little contradictroy. To me, I think they have a general idea of what to do, and they have started to do it.

The protests so far, in general, have been to raise awareness of the endings and that something needs to happened. 
The fact that we are getting DLC acknowledging that shows that they are willing to admit the endings need "clarified". People felt a new ending was needed and BioWare indicated, through their official statement (which many people wanted them to make) that they weren't changing it.

The issue now should be: this is what we're getting, so what should it contain? That, to me, can be suggested at an individual level, without a collective protest...since each individual would essentially be pushing their own ideas for what EC should contain and how it should work.

You're right on those two sentences.  What can I say, I'm half asleep having my coffee.  Basically, I don't think their plans are set in stone BUT what seems to be their likely course of action is just adding in cut material.  

I'm on the same page with you.  When I say "protest" I'm not talking about more cupcakes or charity, I'm simply thinking of using the tools that have been raised up to this point like the Facebook page and others to point the masses in the direction of that sort of individual commentary.  

Personally, I'd utilize the FB page to point people to a simple, concise thread that would ask the individuals to post the top three things they'd like to see done in the EC.  From there, you push that thread around through social media.  Tweet it to Bioware employees, make sure it stays active and gains traction on the BSN.  That's infinitely more effective than a billboard, or any other sort of shenanigans at this point.