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[FabricatedWookie]

GBGriffin wrote...

 

FabricatedWookie wrote...

 I know waiting costs a turn but isn't that technically a non-action?

Well, if you feel the need to do something, post suggestions in the sticky threads or just go debate pro or anti-IT to pass the time.

McAllyster wrote...


If wait until summer this will be a cold case. Waiting until summer is equal to accept EC.

Um...why shouldn't we accept EC and protest it once we actually know more about it...as in, once they release it? It's happening. It's coming in the summer. Do you want them to just take it off the table (they didn't have to offer it to begin with) and just give us the endings as is? 

I am looking toward utilizing the transformative powers of dance to change the hearts and minds of bioware

[Calmb4tehpwn]

GBGriffin wrote...

ImmovableMover wrote...

Waste of money and the Billboard design is just plain stupid/moronic/ridiculous/lacking intelligence

The whole POINT of putting a billboard up would be to spread the message of the movement and it's goals to people who don't know about the issue, but your billboard idea only makes sense if you're quite deeply involved in gaming news, specifically this ending controversy

I know people who have Mass effect 3, who didn't like the endings, who would have no idea what this billboard is about - The Billboard lampoons language found in Biowares press releases...How many people who aren't aware of this issue have read Biowares press releases, hm? Would that number be zero? I'm pretty sure it is.

The Billboard also makes absolutely no attempt to say WHAT needs a new ending, Why not? Did the designer honestly think that the line included on the poster communicated enough information? Were they drunk?

Put simply, this Billboard preaches to the choir - Anyone who has a hope of understanding the Billboard is already fully aware of the situation and thus don't need a Billboard reminding them, Anyone who isn't aware couldn't possibly understand this cryptic message.

The Battle is not about publicity anymore, "Retake" and "Hold the line" have had so much publicity that people are sick to death of hearing about you, The battle is about communicating the wants of the movement as clearly and as efficiently as possible - If you're not doing that, you're doing it wrong and you are doing it wrong right now.

ImmovableMover, I am not singling you out, but I am using your post as an example.

This post was made as a reaction to the OP. Since the OP doesn't mention the campaign has been suspended...this poster responded as though it was still active.

The announcement NEEDS to be in the OP. I'm going to report the thread by citing your apology, Michael, in the hopes that it gets closed, but I might also suggest creating a new thread.

I agree with you in every way in this matter.
Unfortunately I have no power over the original post until I have track Jim down.
He hasn't posted in the last 40 minutes and may have turned in, which means it could be hours before anything can be done about it.

[NegativelyChrgd]

Don't any of you see what's going on? They have us fighting each other!

[jstme]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

To Update - This Campaign is suspended until further notice. Our intention has never been to divide the movements involed, and seeing as how this campaign threatens that, it has been suspended pending review. We are currently taking climate polls to judge the complete feel of the entire community (both Retake and HTL) and we pray that any damage done by announcing our intentions can be reversed.

I would like to attempt to contain this, but I think it may be difficult at this point. Please be assured that as the head of this initiative, know that I did not know this thread existed until now. I wont get into details, but aside from the information provided in the original post, I am not tied to any information or opinions provided here.

THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN SUSPENDED.

If you would like to be a part of the fate of this campaign, please join us on the Holtheline.com forums to discuss where this is going, and how we can focus on an initiative more of the community can get behind and support.

I personally am sorry that this has been both portrayed and received in the way is has been.
I take responsibility for this campaign, and any concerns you have regarding can be directed to me. I appreciate your concerns and we are doing everything we can to rectify this. Please understand that division was never our intent.

Michael Spaulding



To be

Kudos to you guys ,both for caring and for making (in my opinion) the right desicion.
Maybe this plan will be needed in the future but now it is not the time. 

[Chaoswind]

This is silly and destructive, I joined because regardless of reasons everything done had a positive spin...

If this keeps going I will just leave and passively join the withhold the wallet instead.

[Messi Kossmann]

I voted only to see the percentage...
But, sorry folk, horrible idea!

[masseffect420]

GBGriffin wrote...

ReavousX wrote...

You're right on those two sentences.  What can I say, I'm half asleep having my coffee.  Basically, I don't think their plans are set in stone BUT what seems to be their likely course of action is just adding in cut material.  

I'm on the same page with you.  When I say "protest" I'm not talking about more cupcakes or charity, I'm simply thinking of using the tools that have been raised up to this point like the Facebook page and others to point the masses in the direction of that sort of individual commentary.  

Personally, I'd utilize the FB page to point people to a simple, concise thread that would ask the individuals to post the top three things they'd like to see done in the EC.  From there, you push that thread around through social media.  Tweet it to Bioware employees, make sure it stays active and gains traction on the BSN.  That's infinitely more effective than a billboard, or any other sort of shenanigans at this point.  

Take it to Bioware main office, get millions fans to protest. That will do it.

I haven't had my coffee and I'm dragging, so I can't blame you

If that's what you mean to do, that's fine. Those communities and resources already exist, and I don't feel like coming up with bigger and better protests to top the ones that came before it are a solution.

It shouldn't turn into a "just how big a protest can we stage" at this point because it leads to things like this.

[DJBare]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...
I personally am sorry that this has been both portrayed and received in the way is has been.
I take responsibility for this campaign, and any concerns you have regarding can be directed to me. I appreciate your concerns and we are doing everything we can to rectify this. Please understand that division was never our intent.

Michael Spaulding

To be

This is why clear communication  is important, moreso when there are 1000s involved, the first move should have been to get a consesus not planning behind closed doors, the idea should have been presented first, if enough agree only then should the planning have started and in public.

[FabricatedWookie]

Grimskull89 wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

In a sense the division can't be ignored because it is the reality. But my point is it is not a choice of the people who organize the website, and it certainly doesn't exist for want of trying. It was put the group in an awkward situation. They must be mindful of two groups, except one group they can't communicate with. Now they are subject to a mythology of being aggressive. Even though we have people that bring community questions with cookies. It is a division, but it is not an ideological division. Nobody disagrees with what the FB organizer says. the site is simply not accepted by the FB organizers. Thems the breaks.

I will only defend kellix with empathy, I am sure his heart was in the right place even if the conversation didn't go right.

My point is I have only seen a couple of people rage on the forum, and then they have calmed down. I have been chuffed to bits with the conversations that have gone on there, and I feel strongly about the quality of conversation in the community.

Not saying we can't get wrapped up in ourselves time to time, I just haven't seen anybody be afraid to apologize over there. Maybe there is something about going to a different board, get ideas about people being more combative and you set yourself up to be combative.

Simply put, until united divided we stand. I know the people over at HTL have aimed for unity, it is unfortunate this hasn't happened yet. I sympathize with them on this issue really I do.

To your point about combat, probably doesn't help that Jim's ideas were posted in what is named the war room over there. That's asking for something.

You know, I have never thought of the war room as an inappropriate name for talking strategy but I can see it being painted as aggressive *chin stroke*

[Sesshaku]

Instead of a Billboard campaign, i would suggest to raise money for a new and better ending.

Something like the startkicker projects that are making for wasteland 2.

[Aznable Char]

jstme wrote...

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

To Update - This Campaign is suspended until further notice. Our intention has never been to divide the movements involed, and seeing as how this campaign threatens that, it has been suspended pending review. We are currently taking climate polls to judge the complete feel of the entire community (both Retake and HTL) and we pray that any damage done by announcing our intentions can be reversed.

I would like to attempt to contain this, but I think it may be difficult at this point. Please be assured that as the head of this initiative, know that I did not know this thread existed until now. I wont get into details, but aside from the information provided in the original post, I am not tied to any information or opinions provided here.

THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN SUSPENDED.

If you would like to be a part of the fate of this campaign, please join us on the Holtheline.com forums to discuss where this is going, and how we can focus on an initiative more of the community can get behind and support.

I personally am sorry that this has been both portrayed and received in the way is has been.
I take responsibility for this campaign, and any concerns you have regarding can be directed to me. I appreciate your concerns and we are doing everything we can to rectify this. Please understand that division was never our intent.

Michael Spaulding



To be

Kudos to you guys ,both for caring and for making (in my opinion) the right desicion.
Maybe this plan will be needed in the future but now it is not the time. 

Luckily it seems like they learned from BioWare's mistakes and didn't push forward with an unpopular idea .

this whole thing about the OP to this thread acting on his own accord is rather interesting in an entertaining kind of way if it didn't create so much ridiculous damage overall . I think , however , this is relatively benign since the project didn't go forward . I think we could all learn from this and at least strengthen all anti-enders by learning from this debacle .

[ztonkin]

Okay, and what's next? We show up en masse and camp outside BioWare HQ and picket them? Wait, forget I said that....

I think it's time we let this go guys. Just wait for the Extended Cut and see if it makes the ending more palatable.

But yeah, it's your money. Go for it.

[FabricatedWookie]

DJBare wrote...

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...
I personally am sorry that this has been both portrayed and received in the way is has been.
I take responsibility for this campaign, and any concerns you have regarding can be directed to me. I appreciate your concerns and we are doing everything we can to rectify this. Please understand that division was never our intent.

Michael Spaulding

To be

This is why clear communication  is important, moreso when there are 1000s involved, the first move should have been to get a consesus not planning behind closed doors, the idea should have been presented first, if enough agree only then should the planning have started and in public.

I see it as a mistake in the execution. I thought of this as a planning stage, but the lack of a clear rejection would change how people see it. Perhaps though, it is just how I want to see it.

[Calmb4tehpwn]

jstme wrote...

Kudos to you guys ,both for caring and for making (in my opinion) the right desicion.
Maybe this plan will be needed in the future but now it is not the time. 

In reply to this, and to the accusations that we at HTL and the ones heading this initiative "don't get it" and that this is a ridiculous idea.

You might be right.

We've been focusing so much on getting an initiative started, something for people to support and rally behind, we lost track of the community.

We've taken this mistake for what it is and are moving into a brainstorming campaign. If you wish to join, and rally for your favorites, please join us at the Holdtheline forums.

It's clear this push for billboards was not the right move, and I am sincerely sorry that this wasn't realized before realizing that it could divide us.

[AcesRedd]

I like this idea a lot. I am disappointed that it is not going forward. The billboard itself would probably not have much of an effect on the people that saw it, but the media would surely pick up on it and it would be more negative press for whoever is responsible for the sucky ending.

Additionally I find that I spend $5, $10 bucks on the stupidest things. I go to gas up and on some chips and a drink I'm near $10 bucks, so for those that say its a waste, well yea, but we waste so much money and in all honesty I'm not gonna feed the homeless or pledge them to some other 'good' cause might as well put it to something that holds my interest.

[Godwhacker]

Edit: never mind

Modifié par Godwhacker, 10 avril 2012 - 01:06 .

[Aznable Char]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

jstme wrote...

Kudos to you guys ,both for caring and for making (in my opinion) the right desicion.
Maybe this plan will be needed in the future but now it is not the time. 

In reply to this, and to the accusations that we at HTL and the ones heading this initiative "don't get it" and that this is a ridiculous idea.

You might be right.

We've been focusing so much on getting an initiative started, something for people to support and rally behind, we lost track of the community.

We've taken this mistake for what it is and are moving into a brainstorming campaign. If you wish to join, and rally for your favorites, please join us at the Holdtheline forums.

It's clear this push for billboards was not the right move, and I am sincerely sorry that this wasn't realized before realizing that it could divide us.

Gosh , honestly I'm impressed with the honesty and responsibility so far . If only we got this kind of apology and concrete action from BioWare .

[AcesRedd]

Godwhacker wrote...

Please don't do this. Wait until the ending DLC is out at least.

Sure when nobody cares anymore (and we're already getting to that point)
that's the perfect time to try to get what we were promised.

[Marta Rio II]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

To Update - This Campaign is suspended until further notice. Our intention has never been to divide the movements involed, and seeing as how this campaign threatens that, it has been suspended pending review. We are currently taking climate polls to judge the complete feel of the entire community (both Retake and HTL) and we pray that any damage done by announcing our intentions can be reversed.

I would like to attempt to contain this, but I think it may be difficult at this point. Please be assured that as the head of this initiative, know that I did not know this thread existed until now. I wont get into details, but aside from the information provided in the original post, I am not tied to any information or opinions provided here.

THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN SUSPENDED.

If you would like to be a part of the fate of this campaign, please join us on the Holtheline.com forums to discuss where this is going, and how we can focus on an initiative more of the community can get behind and support.

I personally am sorry that this has been both portrayed and received in the way is has been.
I take responsibility for this campaign, and any concerns you have regarding can be directed to me. I appreciate your concerns and we are doing everything we can to rectify this. Please understand that division was never our intent.

Michael Spaulding



To be

Oh well, good.  I think a billboard in close proximity to Bioware HQ (with a clear, not veiled, message) might have been useful in the early days of the ending controversy.  But now that the EC's been announced there really is no point. 

And it's not even something fun like cupcakes...you can't eat a billboard (or even donate it to the local youth shelter).

[masseffect420]

I say take it Bioware HQ!

[Grimskull89]

Calmb4tehpwn wrote...

Having gone through your forums, you are a reasonable person and are sincere.

Unfortunately, because of the hour there don't appear to be any mods that are active.

We must wait for this thread to disappear behind other threads, the more we talk the more it comes to the top.

I will do my part by ceasing all posting in this thread.

I would like to urge others to do the same, Michael (Calmb4tehpwn ) is here to put an end to the madness. His the architect of this idea, please help him as a fellow retaker even if you cannot agree on what has been discussed here, his intent was to help the movement not to hurt it as evidenced by his posts here and at HTL.

Modifié par Grimskull89, 10 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[Shaigunjoe]

Sesshaku wrote...

Instead of a Billboard campaign, i would suggest to raise money for a new and better ending.

Something like the startkicker projects that are making for wasteland 2.

This an interesting idea, would you just hire modders to do it?  Text or VO?  Who would write the script? Who would be in charge of choosing what goes in/out?

Not against it, there is just a lot of things to consider when doing this.

[Carlthestrange]

Sorry, but a advertisment isn't really going to solve much at all.

[Aznable Char]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

Instead of a Billboard campaign, i would suggest to raise money for a new and better ending.

Something like the startkicker projects that are making for wasteland 2.

This an interesting idea, would you just hire modders to do it?  Text or VO?  Who would write the script? Who would be in charge of choosing what goes in/out?

Not against it, there is just a lot of things to consider when doing this.

If you have other ideas I suggest posting in a different thread because Michael (the architect of this but not the OP -- apparently the OP had no jurisdiction to post about this in this way) has said he's suspending this and since he's not the OP he can't change the title etc so I"d like to assist him by encouraging others to take it elsewhere now that this crisis seems well averted . (though this Jim fellow seems like he's going to have an interesting talking to)

[Calmb4tehpwn]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

Instead of a Billboard campaign, i would suggest to raise money for a new and better ending.

Something like the startkicker projects that are making for wasteland 2.

This an interesting idea, would you just hire modders to do it?  Text or VO?  Who would write the script? Who would be in charge of choosing what goes in/out?

Not against it, there is just a lot of things to consider when doing this.

Interestingly enough, an iniative of this sort -is- being undertaken in HTL. I am completely unrelated to that iniative, but they're already getting familiar with the code in an attempt to bring some fan endings to life.