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HOLD THE LINE for MASS EFFECT 3-Billboard Campaign (TARGETING EA/BIOWARE)-NEED YOUR DECSION WITH POLL! [UPDATE 1: POLL IS UP!][UP2: We're listening alright!?][Up3: Under Evaluation]


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Goroxx wrote...

Same thing with these stupid billboards.  We're better than that.


One would like to think this. The reality is that this board gets more ridiculous by the day.

If this was their vision for the ending, I think we should just forget about it and chalk it up to a missed opportunity. No embarassing yourselves with FTC complaints, no billboards, no fraudulent advertising lawsuits. The damage is done - this whole debacle is so poisonous that nothing they ever do will be satisfactory. Even if they change the ending completely, I guarantee almost everyone complaining now will come back to forum, constipated with rage, and scream about how the ending still doesn't meet their expectations. Bioware can never win.

They screwed up the ending spectacularly, but nothing. They. Can. Do. Will. Change. That. Nothing they can release will undo it, and nothing will make this fanbase happy.

It's best to forget about it.

Modifié par TommyServo, 10 avril 2012 - 04:02 .


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I'll have no part of this. It's shameful. I was on board if they had chosen to ignore the community. Pressing the issue further is just ridiculous. I thought this idea was scrapped since the announcement. It still should be.

Modifié par Yalision, 10 avril 2012 - 04:01 .


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kingofkings276 wrote...

Just absolutely pathetic.

 +1,000,000

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TommyServo wrote...
this whole debacle is so poisonous that nothing they ever do will be satisfactory. Even if they change the ending completely, I guarantee almost everyone complaining now will come back to forum, constipated with rage, and scream about how the ending still doesn't meet their expectations. Bioware can never win.

They screwed up the ending harder than we ever thought possible, but nothing. They. Can. Do. Will. Change. That.

It's best to forget about it.

I disagree that Bioware can't win. There are plenty of fan written alternatives that, while not univesally liked, at least fit with the rest of the series. If some nerds in their basements can crank them out (no offense), professional game writers should have no issues. Asking for an ending that doesnt just undo everything we've loved about the series for 5 years isn't a particularly tall order. For myself I would take a straight-up Reaper victory, the most downer ending imaginable, enforcing the cycles as inevitable over this RGB garbage. Because it wouldn't contradict the already established aspects see?

All of this was never about not liking the ending. It was about holding on to the series as a whole.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 10 avril 2012 - 04:07 .


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TommyServo wrote...

Goroxx wrote...

Same thing with these stupid billboards.  We're better than that.


One would like to think this. The reality is that this board gets more ridiculous by the day.

If this was their vision for the ending, I think we should just forget about it and chalk it up to a missed opportunity. No embarassing yourselves with FTC complaints, no billboards, no fraudulent advertising lawsuits. The damage is done - this whole debacle is so poisonous that nothing they ever do will be satisfactory. Even if they change the ending completely, I guarantee almost everyone complaining now will come back to forum, constipated with rage, and scream about how the ending still doesn't meet their expectations. Bioware can never win.

They screwed up the ending spectacularly, but nothing. They. Can. Do. Will. Change. That. Nothing they can release will undo it, and nothing will make this fanbase happy.

It's best to forget about it.


I'm sad to say, I agree with you.  I didn't want to think so, but the more I reflect on it, you're right.

I'm still proud of my contributions to the Retake charity drive in the beginning.  That was a worthy effort, imho. 

To put it out of my head, I'm going back and playing through brand new game of ME1, then will progress into 2 and 3.  Having a blast, even if I know how it ends.  Just met Liara for the first time :)

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This seems to be going a little bit far with Billboards etc. Time to play Diablo 3

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Goroxx wrote...

I'm sad to say, I agree with you.  I didn't want to think so, but the more I reflect on it, you're right.

I'm still proud of my contributions to the Retake charity drive in the beginning.  That was a worthy effort, imho. 

To put it out of my head, I'm going back and playing through brand new game of ME1, then will progress into 2 and 3.  Having a blast, even if I know how it ends.  Just met Liara for the first time :)


The charity was a worthy effort, and the high point, as far as I'm concerned. Retakers are right to be proud of that.

All this started getting really bad when a bunch of derps who thought it was a kickstarter for a new ending retracted their donations because they don't know how to read. It hasn't gotten any better since then, and I think it should be put to sleep now.

Modifié par TommyServo, 10 avril 2012 - 04:15 .


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I've hung up my towel on the Retake movement. I'm perfectly happy with what they've chosen to do. I still think the game was rushed, for whatever internal reasons. Hopefully, any other iteration of the ME universe will not be constrained by time quite as much as ME3 seems to have been.

But good luck with the bill board, albeit by now I'm sure that BioWare gets the point.

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Gyspy Jive wrote...

I've hung up my towel on the Retake movement. I'm perfectly happy with what they've chosen to do. I still think the game was rushed, for whatever internal reasons. Hopefully, any other iteration of the ME universe will not be constrained by time quite as much as ME3 seems to have been.

But good luck with the bill board, albeit by now I'm sure that BioWare gets the point.


If they'd gotten the point, there would be no 'billboard thread' debacle.  

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To clarify once again,

This idea was proposed by administators of the site holdtheline.com, a forum based site that has a little over a thousand users.

The FB group with 61 thousand members is operated by an entire different team who have advised AGAINST the Billboard idea as being destructive.

An organizer did conduct an interview with me to talk about EFFECTIVE ways to work with Bioware, not insult them.

You can find that HERE 

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rizuno wrote...

Gyspy Jive wrote...

I've hung up my towel on the Retake movement. I'm perfectly happy with what they've chosen to do. I still think the game was rushed, for whatever internal reasons. Hopefully, any other iteration of the ME universe will not be constrained by time quite as much as ME3 seems to have been.

But good luck with the bill board, albeit by now I'm sure that BioWare gets the point.


If they'd gotten the point, there would be no 'billboard thread' debacle.  


They are releasing free DLC that will apparently address the issues people had with the ending. Again, free DLC. They get the point. They said from the beginning that they were not going to change the ending. It seems that at this point, the Retake movement are the ones not getting the point. No offense.

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My suggestion is to sit back and wait until actual full details of the DLC are out before starting any community action.

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Gyspy Jive wrote...
They are releasing free DLC that will apparently address the issues people had with the ending. Again, free DLC. They get the point. They said from the beginning that they were not going to change the ending. It seems that at this point, the Retake movement are the ones not getting the point. No offense.

The ending IS the issue. Not changing it is denying the issue. They address nothing. Instead they've got some you holding on to the words  "free DLC" like a goddamn security blanket. Divide and conquer indeed.

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Mm. How about you send the money to me, instead? I need new pants.

Modifié par pants witch, 10 avril 2012 - 04:40 .


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pants witch wrote...

Mm. How about you send the money to me, instead? I need new pants.

I thought pants were optional around these parts;)

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Gyspy Jive wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Gyspy Jive wrote...

I've hung up my towel on the Retake movement. I'm perfectly happy with what they've chosen to do. I still think the game was rushed, for whatever internal reasons. Hopefully, any other iteration of the ME universe will not be constrained by time quite as much as ME3 seems to have been.

But good luck with the bill board, albeit by now I'm sure that BioWare gets the point.


If they'd gotten the point, there would be no 'billboard thread' debacle.  


They are releasing free DLC that will apparently address the issues people had with the ending. Again, free DLC. They get the point. They said from the beginning that they were not going to change the ending. It seems that at this point, the Retake movement are the ones not getting the point. No offense.


If they were really listening they would see that no one is really saying change the ending, but they are saying add to it. Bioware/EA missed the boat on making some money with this by creating a DLC, charge 10 bucks for it, and gain some long term loyality. They can have their "Artisic Integrity" ending, fan get their ending, and EA gets a bigger check. Who loses in that?

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Please.  It's been more than a day since you said you might take this down.

It needs to happen.  Before I get a concussion.



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Gyspy Jive wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Gyspy Jive wrote...

I've hung up my towel on the Retake movement. I'm perfectly happy with what they've chosen to do. I still think the game was rushed, for whatever internal reasons. Hopefully, any other iteration of the ME universe will not be constrained by time quite as much as ME3 seems to have been.

But good luck with the bill board, albeit by now I'm sure that BioWare gets the point.


If they'd gotten the point, there would be no 'billboard thread' debacle.  


They are releasing free DLC that will apparently address the issues people had with the ending. Again, free DLC. They get the point. They said from the beginning that they were not going to change the ending. It seems that at this point, the Retake movement are the ones not getting the point. No offense.


A great many people had issues with the ending.  Even more felt and still feel is that the issue is the ending itself.  The Retake Movement did not campaign for new paint on the old one, it campainged for a new one.  Perhaps through 'clarification' and 'extension' and 'closure' BioWare can fix the many problems the ending has.  I don't see how, but hey, I believe in Space Magic.  :wizard:

And they've said many times that they were not going to do something and they went ahead and did it anyway.  Talk is cheap.  The only thing I'm paying attention to in the long run is BioWare's actions.  Thus far...I'm not impressed.  

Offense?  None taken :)  Yay rational discourse!

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CrutchCricket wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Mm. How about you send the money to me, instead? I need new pants.

I thought pants were optional around these parts;)


Oghren?  Is that you, buddy?

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Yes boys and girls. EmEr77 is going to weigh-in.


Two things.

Thing number one) I am in fact an individual currently dissatisfied with the endings. I'm going to however say exactly what I said on the short story of one of my classmates which I had to not only critically analyze, but also facilitate (lead the session in discussion) for. The concept is there, and it's pretty radical--yet unequivocally underdeveloped. That's what we have right now with the ending as it stands. There is a concept that's filled with potential, but is poorly executed. I feel BioWare deserves that chance to further expound on the current ending, and it's irrational to think that changing the ending will honestly fix things. You can't unring a bell, you will be unsatisfied either way, so just see what this DLC will bring. In my opinion, this picture accurately describes my point of view:

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Thing number two) The billboard idea is wonderfully ideal, and to be honest, makes me chuckle a little thinking of the EA higher-ups on their way to work, being driven by their chauffeurs in their town-cars, having to see it. I mean, it's giggle worthy. However, as I said, it's ideal--idealistic, and unfortunately I think is a waste of money. But that's my opinion, meaning, I can just choose, and will choose, not to give to the billboard project, however, if others feel it's not a waste of money, then their opinions are just as valid. Let's all try to remember that pro-enders and anti-enders who disagree with the project. It's not stupid what they want to do. From a purely media standpoint it's actually Brilliance with a capital 'B'. The press will be outrageous.

While BioWare has made it clear they won't change the ending, I don't believe many of you are looking at the bigger picture here. For the future, companies will regard this incident when making decisions--and you bet your ass they will. Do you think they want to have to deal with this complete and utter cluster-f**k scenario? Of course not. If the billboard idea does go through, it will be a constant reminder that customers are tired of being man-handled by corporations--even BioWare. THIS, should never be an acceptable maneuver on our parts ever:

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We should always demand, and expect greatness from those, like BioWare, who claim to continuously demand it of themselves. We're holding them to the standard they've set for themselves. And why shouldn't we?


So, really, it's not stupid. If you feel it's stupid, go ahead and keep that to yourself, unless you're alright with being charged as stupid yourself for believing the ending doesn't need fixing. If you're well prepared for backlash to your opinion, then by all means express it--but if you get all huffy and puffy because you call them stupid, and someone calls you out, or disagrees with you, and you can't take it like an adult and have a worthwhile dialogue about it, then you really don't have any reason to be posting in a public forum do you? Did not think so.

This obviously does not apply to trolls, who get ignored regularly anyway.

Modifié par EmEr77, 10 avril 2012 - 04:44 .


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 WOW, no.

There has GOT to be more effective ways to show your dissaproval of the ending than this. Surely this is just a waste of money.

The ChildsPlay idea was MUCH better. At least that money was going somewhere good.

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I'm sorry, but this goes to far. We're getting really creepy here, and I bet Bioware employees do not appreciate being "followed" like that by their fans at every moment of the day.

I think we alle want Bioware to develop the extended cut dlc with positive feelings towards their fans, not annoyance and uneasiness. For the record, I do not like the ending, mildly put, but I think we need to give Bioware enough room to operate, and more importantly leave their private lives in peace.

Modifié par Mvin, 10 avril 2012 - 04:43 .


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Capone666 wrote...

To clarify once again,

This idea was proposed by administators of the site holdtheline.com, a forum based site that has a little over a thousand users.

The FB group with 61 thousand members is operated by an entire different team who have advised AGAINST the Billboard idea as being destructive.

An organizer did conduct an interview with me to talk about EFFECTIVE ways to work with Bioware, not insult them.

You can find that HERE 


This^^^^

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@EmEr77 post not quoted bc of largeness and general fail at cutting and snipping quotes.

Yes. That. Thank You.

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This is just getting out of hand. I want a new ending just as badly as everyone else, but can't we at least wait to see what the clarification content is before doing this? If it's terrible, I'll come back swinging, but until then everyone needs to chill out.