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[Dragoonlordz]

Whining taken to a whole new level...

It's getting quite pathetic at this stage as others have already pointed out.

[jules_vern18]

iSpider-Man wrote...

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

i hate the ending a lot with a passion but hes 100% right.

If Bioware were engaging us in any sort of dialogue, I would agree - there wouldn't be a need for any "creative" or "new" ways to get the message across.  But it's basically just silence; nobody except Jessica Merizan will even answer our questions about the endings, and she knows relatively little about development.  

If there were an open Q&A with Bioware about the game's ending here on the BSN, I would shut up until the dlc comes out.  But basically all we've heard so far is that "the endings will not change," which completely ignores the basis of why we're upset. 

[OnelShot]

Sorry, but whining and self-righteousness get stuff done.

I'm curious, though - you keep saying "we" are getting more on the ending, as if you consider yourself one of the many that were upset about the ending.

As it stands now, the ending will not change.  Are you really happy with that?

No it just makes people make more of a situation than it ever needed to be and make them feel entitled to something they in no way are not. And no I was not crazy about the ending until the indoctrination theory. If the extended ending confirms it great if it doesn't and just explains plot holes fine whatever, the entire game is an ending to tons of story lines. The entire game as a whole is one of the best I have ever played. 

[MoonsKisu]

John Epler wrote...

*snip*
That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

Gotta say I agree with this. The problem certainly isn't that they are unaware of how we feel.

I am in full agreement with the retake movement but this kinda goes overboard. Just my opinion of course.

[Darth_Trethon]

iSpider-Man wrote...

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

i hate the ending a lot with a passion but hes 100% right.

Don't you get it? This is bigger than just some billboards....this would make the news and increase pressure on EA. They ARE in full PR damage control and the game dropped $20 off its pricetag within a few weeks of launch. Do not for one second think any of this is a waste. Your reaction is exactly the intended reaction and this is an attempt to basically nuke the thread and divide us so that we fight each other instead of getting our point across.

I absolutely refuse to believe that BioWare would really think that ending was going to fly but just in case they did now they're going to know.

[Dragoonlordz]

jules_vern18 wrote...

iSpider-Man wrote...

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

i hate the ending a lot with a passion but hes 100% right.

If Bioware were engaging us in any sort of dialogue, I would agree - there wouldn't be a need for any "creative" or "new" ways to get the message across.  But it's basically just silence; nobody except Jessica Merizan will even answer our questions about the endings, and she knows relatively little about development.  

If there were an open Q&A with Bioware about the game's ending here on the BSN, I would shut up until the dlc comes out.  But basically all we've heard so far is that "the endings will not change," which completely ignores the basis of why we're upset. 

It's a video game, more so than that it's the last 10 minutes of a video game. Time to grow up.

Honestly if you have nothing better to do with your time or your money at this stage I feel sorry for you.

[Joccaren]

I'd go for EA first, then hit the Dialogue billboard outside Bioware. Means we can possibly get 2, or all 3 if we get enough money, but going for either of the other two means we have to skip this one.

Now then: I love the billboard design. It seriously gets straight to the point. Its not just saying 'Retake ME3' or whatever, but it is pretty clear on the message.
I'd specialise it a little per billboard. Outside EA, put "EA, to Calrify: We want a new ending", for Bioware "Bioware, to Clarify: We want a new ending". Gets it out there that that is what the Billboard is definitely about, but it still keeps the same message.
Not sure if there would be legal issues with that though so... IDK, check it and if there's even a slight chance of legal issues, keep it as is.

Good luck.

[NubXL]

jules_vern18 wrote...

NubXL wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

You haven't explained why.  5 bucks from 1800 fans to get their message out in a new medium?  Why not?  All of our grievances have been expressed online thus far...this would put them into an IRL context. 

And hey, nobody said you have to contribute. 

You know where it'll get the most attention? Online, from game sites. 99% of the few people who actually drive by it and pay attention to what it says won't know or care about what it is. You know what the last billboard I saw was? Neither do I, because nobody pays attention to them. Letting that $5 sit in your 1,800 pockets would be far more constructive that renting old media.

The purpose of this obviously wouldn't be to gain a wider audience, lol.  It would represent a "day of action" to show that Retakers are still united in their displeasure even after the dlc announcement. 

When you're talking PR, marketing, press, etc - and you have as few resources as we do - a creative way to get your message out can be a breath of fresh air into something that others see as irrelevant or easy to dismiss/marginalize.

The only people who would need to drive by the billboard are a few members of the gaming press, Bioware dev team, or EA in general on their way to work in the morning.  Hell, we could even pay for just a day or two and it would make some news.

You're obviously not united for a "day of action", judging by the responses.

I hate to be one of "those guys", but really, get a hobby, bros and girls. This is becoming really sad to watch. I hate the ending as much as the next guy, but good grief. Rewriting the entire ending would be a monstrous undertaking. Something they shouldn't have to deal with just to appease a pocket of forum dwellers who demand more than free plot hole fixes. You guys really lost me when you aggressively turned your backs on the epilogue BioWare is creating, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. You're generating ill will at this point. For your own sakes, if you absolutely must soldier on, dial it back a bit.

[iSpider-Man]

jules_vern18 wrote...

iSpider-Man wrote...

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

i hate the ending a lot with a passion but hes 100% right.

If Bioware were engaging us in any sort of dialogue, I would agree - there wouldn't be a need for any "creative" or "new" ways to get the message across.  But it's basically just silence; nobody except Jessica Merizan will even answer our questions about the endings, and she knows relatively little about development.  

If there were an open Q&A with Bioware about the game's ending here on the BSN, I would shut up until the dlc comes out.  But basically all we've heard so far is that "the endings will not change," which completely ignores the basis of why we're upset. 

this is true. all they have been stating is polarizing, speculation, artistic integrity, and so on. and even though jessica is trying to be helpful she isnt really helping since shes adding more speculation. but yes you are right.

[KingDan97]

Get billboard in Berkley California in the US to try and troll(don't even pretend it's anything else) a Canadian developer owned by a company based out of a city an hour away.

Smaaarrrttt.

[Odd Bet]

I agree with Mr. Epler. I don't really see what this could possibly accomplish other than drawing negative attention from the public and the press. It would probably also divide the Retake movement, as the potential for things like this is exactly why I have chosen to simply dislike the endings on my own, rather than affiliate with a particular group and thus being affiliated with actions with which I may disagree.

The truth is, anyone who cares about this issue already knows about it and has formed their opinion. If you think that this will accomplish something positive, however, and are willing to shell out the money, then more power to you. I've spent probably $1000 dollars on shoes the past couple months, so I'm not one to judge how someone else spends their money.

[iSpider-Man]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It's a video game, more so than that it's the last 10 minutes of a video game. Time to grow up.

Honestly if you have nothing better to do with your time or your money at this stage I feel sorry for you.

then why even purchase a video game to begin with? this is a very weak arguement people make all the time. also you wrote YOUR MONEY so what does it matter what they do with it?

[Joccaren]

Love the irony and somewhat hipocrasy of this thread.
"Donate the money to charity": Donate the money you would normally spend buying things you enjoy - like games, music, books, tv - to charity.
"Stop whining, its getting annoying": In the words of Charlie Sheen: Don't like it, don't watch. And you stop whining, it too is getting annoying.
"This is a waste of money, get a life": Then don't donate. No-one is forcing you to spend your money, and who are you to dictate how someone else uses theirs. As to getting a life, if you're commenting on these forums about how someone needs to get a life because they are thinking of spending a significant amount of money on something they believe in - I think it is you who needs to get a life, and rethink what a life is if you think its just having GFs or BFs and a family, or going to parties all weekend.

[jules_vern18]

OnelShot wrote...

Sorry, but whining and self-righteousness get stuff done.

I'm curious, though - you keep saying "we" are getting more on the ending, as if you consider yourself one of the many that were upset about the ending.

As it stands now, the ending will not change.  Are you really happy with that?

And no I was not crazy about the ending until the indoctrination theory.

Ah, that explains a lot. 

Sounds like we were operating from dramatically different viewpoints from the start.  I'll make you a deal:  you can continue to grasp on to a desperately flawed conspiracy theory, and I can continue to feel cheated by the endings as they are.  And once the dlc comes out, all of it will be moot, yeah?

Not trying to be confrontational, but really - people are going to have different opinions.  Some might even want to take peaceful action in support of their opinions.  Is that so bad?

[Darth_Trethon]

KingDan97 wrote...

Get billboard in Berkley California in the US to try and troll(don't even pretend it's anything else) a Canadian developer owned by a company based out of a city an hour away.

Smaaarrrttt.

I like this.....better yet, try to see if there are billboards on or near the EA building itself, I'd totally go for that.

[Taboo]

People should probably know that if people commit to this it's going to happen. Nothing you say will dissuade them. I really don't what you do either way but just be aware that you will have to deal with the consequences.

[Dawson14]

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

In your opinion...


I think 5 bucks is definitely worth spreading the word of the travesty that was the ending of Mass Effect. I can stomach it was just bad writing and people made some bad calls, but the LIES UPON LIES told to fans and customers about ME3 and the ending is unnacceptable. And since it seems that no one is really listening at BioWare and the Execs decided that their artistic integrity is more important than their customers and swallowing their pride, this is more than fitting. What else are we supposed to do? You already have our money.

You should think of this as a compliment. We love Mass Effect so much that we are going to this great length to make our point and try to get the change that WE DESERVE. Maybe this time Casey and others will get the hint.

EDIT: After thinking, I don't understand what we all have to do to convey how incredibly pissed off and unhappy we are about the endings.  BioWare just doesn't get it. We told you what we wanted and we get told that we will get clarification and the same 3 colored explosions while the endings stay intact in some backhanded snide PR announcement weeks after the game is released. Then we are told that there will be absolutely no discussion about it at PAX, and we go back to speculating while getting more snide comments from BioWare/EA PR. You are doing this to yourself.

Modifié par Dawson14, 10 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[killnoob]

bombarding Bioware headquarters with another 400 cupcakes may work better than this...

Modifié par killnoob, 10 avril 2012 - 05:03 .

[GBJ13]

I don't support this plan. I think it's a mistake. The best case scenario, you're creating free advertisement for the game, the media thinks you're absurd, and Bioware puts a little more effort into the Extended DLC. A lot of people who dislike the ending think it's a waste of money/too out there.

There are so many more productive ways to get the message across. Charity drives are fine. Letterwriting campaigns, etc. This just seem outlandish. The worst thing you can do is marginalize yourself. I would probably cancel this plan and go with something else.

[Darth_Trethon]

Dawson14 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

In your opinion...


I think 5 bucks is definitely worth spreading the word of the travesty that was the ending of Mass Effect. I can stomach it was just bad writing and people made some bad calls, but the LIES UPON LIES told to fans and customers about ME3 and the ending is unnacceptable. And since it seems that no one is really listening at BioWare and the Execs decided that their artistic integrity is more important than their customers and swallowing their pride, this is more than fitting. What else are we supposed to do? You already have our money.

You should think of this as a compliment. We love Mass Effect so much that we are going to this great length to make our point and try to get the change that WE DESERVE. Maybe this time Casey and others will get the hint.

Plus hey, I spent $160 on two CEs of ME3 only to have EA and BioWare troll me like that with that ending and all the lies that created false hype and the worthless promises. I can't go any lower than that so I can deal with losing $5 to hammer EA just a tad bit harder in case they haven't got the point yet.

[Dragoonlordz]

iSpider-Man wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It's a video game, more so than that it's the last 10 minutes of a video game. Time to grow up.

Honestly if you have nothing better to do with your time or your money at this stage I feel sorry for you.

then why even purchase a video game to begin with? this is a very weak arguement people make all the time. also you wrote YOUR MONEY so what does it matter what they do with it?

It's been a month, Bioware have offered a half way house solution of which some of retake wanted from the start and others did not. Let's not kid outselves here this has no longer anything to do with the ending for many, it's a power trip. At this stage it is childish and after a month of the constant whining, it would seem more inclined to think those who are planning on throwing such money away on billboards are nothing more than people with real life emotional issues.

Hell even my friend who has owned almost every single Bioware game (most being CEs) and in fact is the one who bought me some of them to get my interested in what they create many years ago only took a day herself to get over her disappointment. She disliked the ending as much as any of you and been long time follower of Bioware more so than myself and if notice my join date you can see I'm not some newbie to the franchise either. She is only 21 and she has more emotional maturity than half of you lot still whining and moaning.

She got over it in a day while you have been moaning for a month so no I do not think this anymore has anything to do with the endings for many of you, a power trip or pure spite sums it up just right. Time to grow up or seek professional help, counselling and such.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 avril 2012 - 05:11 .

[Athlonis1]

Hmmm. Interesting Concept. Go for EA first. Higher up. More effect. Plus less money. Then Bioware.

[jules_vern18]

NubXL wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

NubXL wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

You haven't explained why.  5 bucks from 1800 fans to get their message out in a new medium?  Why not?  All of our grievances have been expressed online thus far...this would put them into an IRL context. 

And hey, nobody said you have to contribute. 

You know where it'll get the most attention? Online, from game sites. 99% of the few people who actually drive by it and pay attention to what it says won't know or care about what it is. You know what the last billboard I saw was? Neither do I, because nobody pays attention to them. Letting that $5 sit in your 1,800 pockets would be far more constructive that renting old media.

The purpose of this obviously wouldn't be to gain a wider audience, lol.  It would represent a "day of action" to show that Retakers are still united in their displeasure even after the dlc announcement. 

When you're talking PR, marketing, press, etc - and you have as few resources as we do - a creative way to get your message out can be a breath of fresh air into something that others see as irrelevant or easy to dismiss/marginalize.

The only people who would need to drive by the billboard are a few members of the gaming press, Bioware dev team, or EA in general on their way to work in the morning.  Hell, we could even pay for just a day or two and it would make some news.

You're obviously not united for a "day of action", judging by the responses.

I hate to be one of "those guys", but really, get a hobby, bros and girls. This is becoming really sad to watch. I hate the ending as much as the next guy, but good grief. Rewriting the entire ending would be a monstrous undertaking. Something they shouldn't have to deal with just to appease a pocket of forum dwellers who demand more than free plot hole fixes. You guys really lost me when you aggressively turned your backs on the epilogue BioWare is creating, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. You're generating ill will at this point. For your own sakes, if you absolutely must soldier on, dial it back a bit.

See, this is the problem - you assume that just because we are active here that we do not have any lives elsewhere.  I, for one, can handle more than one cause, interest, hobby, etc. at a time.  Stop with the condescension, please.

And again: many turned their backs on the Extended Cut because it (from what LITTLE we have heard so far) seems to address very little of what disappointed us in the first place.  I'm not going to say that it was Bioware/EA's plan to divide people with this announcement, nor will I way that I'm not hopeful that the dlc will actually give service to the franchise.  But until it comes out, I'm going to keep posting here - because making yourself heard (whether in politics, social justice, or just a videogame) is an important way to enact some (however minor) degree of change.

But to complain again and again that we all need to "get a life" when you don't even know us?  Come on...

...Get a life.