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[OnelShot]

And no I was not crazy about the ending until the indoctrination theory.

Ah, that explains a lot. 

Sounds like we were operating from dramatically different viewpoints from the start.  I'll make you a deal:  you can continue to grasp on to a desperately flawed conspiracy theory, and I can continue to feel cheated by the endings as they are.  And once the dlc comes out, all of it will be moot, yeah?

Not trying to be confrontational, but really - people are going to have different opinions.  Some might even want to take peaceful action in support of their opinions.  Is that so bad?

Love you call something flawed despite nobody's been able to come up with any good retorts. 

Modifié par OnelShot, 10 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[shoshbear]

Take it right to EA's doorstep.

[daigakuinsei]

This is a dumb idea. At least wait till you see the Extended Cut to be an obnoxious fan.

I didn't like the ending, but I'm confident I will be gratified by the Extended Cut. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with this other than to irritate the developers.

[killnoob]

Dawson14 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

A) If you have nothing constructive to post, please don't post. You aren't adding anything to the board or the thread.

That being said, anyone who you'd hope to make aware of your concerns via this method is aware of your concerns. At the end of the day, though, it's your money, and you can certainly spend it however you'd like. But if you're trying to spread your message this is not going to do much more than waste 5$ from 1800 people. Again, though - it's your money.

In your opinion...


I think 5 bucks is definitely worth spreading the word of the travesty that was the ending of Mass Effect. I can stomach it was just bad writing and people made some bad calls, but the LIES UPON LIES told to fans and customers about ME3 and the ending is unnacceptable. And since it seems that no one is really listening at BioWare and the Execs decided that their artistic integrity is more important than their customers and swallowing their pride, this is more than fitting. What else are we supposed to do? You already have our money.

You should think of this as a compliment. We love Mass Effect so much that we are going to this great length to make our point and try to get the change that WE DESERVE. Maybe this time Casey and others will get the hint.

LOL

this is silly...spreading the word of the traversty of the edning of Mass effect 3 using a billboard that has neither Mass effect 3 or bioware logo on it? 

[Dranks]

I just can't help but feeling like this is becoming more of a revenge for some people and a cry for attention from others. And believe me when I say that now everybody WILL think you are being whiny and entitled, after Bioware said they would give us this completely FREE DLC that they never once had to do. I want no part of it. If this is the direction the movement is going then I am leaving the Facebook page. I hate the endings, but I am not turning this into a personal vendetta. And I don't need a Facebook group to feel how I do about them.

[Blazingkats]

uhh wait for the Extended cut.

[Darth_Trethon]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It's been a month, Bioware have offered a half way house solution of which some of retake wanted from the start and others did not. Let's not kid outselves here this has no longer anything to do with the ending for many, it's a power trip. At this stage it is childish and after a month of the constant whining, it would seem more inclined to think those who are planning on throwing such money away on billboards are nothing more than people with real life emotional issues.

Hell even my friend who has owned almost every single Bioware game (most being CEs) and in fact is the one who bought me some of them to get my interested in what they create many years ago only took a day herself to get over her disappointment. She disliked the ending as much as any of you and been long time follower of Bioware more so than myself and if notice my join date you can see I'm not some newbie to the franchise either. She is only 21 and she has more emotional maturity than half of you lot still whining and moaning.

She got over it in a day while you have been moaning for a month so no I do not think this anymore has anything to do with the endings for many of you, a power trip sums it up just right. Time to grow up or seek professional help.

After top EA people say that people shouls pay $1 every time they load a game, day 1 paid DLC not included in new copies and an ending that was obviously set up for DLC(probably intended to be paid until the issue blew up in their faces) I think it's absolutely ESSENTIAL for people to fully realize and comprehend that YES we do have power over these greedy corporations, more power than most would immagine, and that it's NOT ok to just let ourselves be pushed around that easily.

If this movement will burn out so be it but let's make them feel the burn a bit more wefore that happens.

[iSpider-Man]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iSpider-Man wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It's a video game, more so than that it's the last 10 minutes of a video game. Time to grow up.

Honestly if you have nothing better to do with your time or your money at this stage I feel sorry for you.

then why even purchase a video game to begin with? this is a very weak arguement people make all the time. also you wrote YOUR MONEY so what does it matter what they do with it?

It's been a month, Bioware have offered a half way house solution of which some of retake wanted from the start and others did not. Let's not kid outselves here this has no longer anything to do with the ending for many, it's a power trip. At this stage it is childish and after a month of the constant whining, it would seem more inclined to think those who are planning on throwing such money away on billboards are nothing more than people with real life emotional issues.

Hell even my friend who has owned almost every single Bioware game (most being CEs) and in fact is the one who bought me some of them to get my interested in what they create many years ago only took a day herself to get over her disappointment. She disliked the ending as much as any of you and been long time follower of Bioware more so than myself and if notice my join date you can see I'm not some newbie to the franchise either. She is only 21 and she has more emotional maturity than half of you lot still whining and moaning.

She got over it in a day while you have been moaning for a month so no I do not think this anymore has anything to do with the endings for many of you, a power trip sums it up just right. Time to grow up or seek professional help.

so much anger in your words...its making me blush...but seriously it your opinion and i cant change that.
all people say is those who dont like the ending are b*tchy, whiny,entitled, immature, but then again if people really feel that why not just ignore them the b*tchy, whiny,entitled, immature people?
and to the part where you talk about your join date that doesnt mean anything my join date is march of this year but ive played all 3 me games.
and no they offered no half solution the ending in the eyes of many was flawed and them clarifying it wont make any less flawed.

[daigakuinsei]

Loading_Ammo wrote...

uhh wait for the Extended cut.

+1

[Dridengx]

s.nebulous wrote..


Telling someone to get a life on a game message board strikes me as a little hypocritical.

I was going to vote on the poll, but it did not have an option for those against the billboard idea.

Not really, because it comes down to having a life. Someone could spend an hour while someone could spend 24 hrs. Someone could use their time on the forum to do petitions and fight corporate companies others use it for mild hearted fun on a break.

See, someone like you uses it, to whine about a video game ending wasting your time, money, and life.

Someone like me, comes here to glace over some topics and reply to people like you who need clarification

Modifié par Dridengx, 10 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[Athlonis1]

Dranks wrote...

I just can't help but feeling like this is becoming more of a revenge for some people and a cry for attention from others. And believe me when I say that now everybody WILL think you are being whiny and entitled, after Bioware said they would give us this completely FREE DLC that they never once had to do. I want no part of it. If this is the direction the movement is going then I am leaving the Facebook page. I hate the endings, but I am not turning this into a personal vendetta. And I don't need a Facebook group to feel how I do about them.

I don't see this as a personal vendetta. It'd be vendetta if we were TPing their house or throwing bricks at their office windows. This is a way to raise awareness of our concerns outside of our bubble. This has become more than just the ending to Mass Effect. This has, or has the potential to, become about the greater game industry as a whole. If we can show that we will not stand for rushed crap than the industry will be better for it. Would you rather EA continue forcing developers to rush to meet deadlines? Or would you rather that developers could take their time to create the game they want to? 

[OnelShot]

killnoob wrote..
I think 5 bucks is definitely worth spreading the word of the travesty that was the ending of Mass Effect. I can stomach it was just bad writing and people made some bad calls, but the LIES UPON LIES told to fans and customers about ME3 and the ending is unnacceptable. And since it seems that no one is really listening at BioWare and the Execs decided that their artistic integrity is more important than their customers and swallowing their pride, this is more than fitting. What else are we supposed to do? You already have our money.

You should think of this as a compliment. We love Mass Effect so much that we are going to this great length to make our point and try to get the change that WE DESERVE. Maybe this time Casey and others will get the hint.

LOL

this is silly...spreading the word of the traversty of the edning of Mass effect 3 using a billboard that has neither Mass effect 3 or bioware logo on it? 

Some people like to spread the word on travesties like poverty or child-abuse and others like to spread the word on a ending they didn't like in a video game. 

Modifié par OnelShot, 10 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[s.nebulous]

I’m willing to meet Bioware half way and compromise with the extended cut. In my opinion the current best course of action is to provide feedback on what you actually would like to see. If nothing but a complete rewrite of the ending will satisfy you (or perhaps not) then you are probably going to be disappointed.

The billboard seems excessive and counterproductive.

Modifié par s.nebulous, 10 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[KingDan97]

Opsrbest wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Get billboard in Berkley California in the US to try and troll(don't even pretend it's anything else) a Canadian developer owned by a company based out of a city an hour away.

Smaaarrrttt.

Both are Canadian. The best statment would be to do it out of Edmonton if you really want to get peoples attention at Bioware and Montreal for EA (if they as most of Canada have a cenral HQ in that location).

But hey, I can tell you exactly what will happen if you do that.

I was refering to EA being an hour away.

And if anyone honestly believes this will put any pressure on EA by anyone at all, you're just so wrong.If this reaches any news the people who will be put in a negative light by this point in the race(and yes, it is a race) are the fools who are willing to throw their apparently limitless pits of money at something so childishly ridiculous that it seems like a joke even reading it.

Bioware has adressed your issue that the ending was incohesive and they are actively working on strategies and ways to make it a cohesive experience. Just because they didn't use Indoctrination Theory doesn't mean anything. No one will take your side anymore, just because Forbes didn't think you were being whiny little brats before Bioware said that they are working on a free addendum to the ending doesn't mean that after they've said they're working to adress concerns that you can keep bashing your fists on the ground and everyone will continue to side with you.

Think of it this way. You're in a store, and you hear a kid an aisle over crying because his mom won't buy him a toy. After 5 minutes you're shouting in your head "Just give him the damned toy, do anything to shut him up!" And she promises to give him the toy. Then 5 minutes later he's crying again and at that point who do you blame, the kid or the parent? I blame the kid, because he obviously can't comprehend that crying will not always get what you want.

Congrats, you have all become that whining 5 year old that everyone who has ever had to walk through a store hates because they just won't shut their traps when they get what they want.

[Dawson14]

Dridengx wrote...

s.nebulous wrote..


Telling someone to get a life on a game message board strikes me as a little hypocritical.

I was going to vote on the poll, but it did not have an option for those against the billboard idea.

Not really, because it comes down to having a life. Someone could spend an hour while someone could spend 24 hrs. Someone could use their time on the forum to do petitions and fight corporate companies others use it for mild hearted fun on a break.

See, someone like you uses it, to whine about a video game ending wasting your time, money, and life.

Someone like me, comes here to glace over some topics and reply to people like you who need clarification

Judging by all the games you have underneath your avatar, you need to get out of your mothers basement.

[GBGriffin]

This is ridiculous. You don't even know what or how the Extended Cut will seek to clarify the ending . Why not save the billboard idea until then, if at all?

I'm sorry ...but any and all negative coverage of this action is 100% deserved, and I would urge people to distance themselves from it.

[jules_vern18]

Loading_Ammo wrote...

uhh wait for the Extended cut.

Once the Extended Cut comes out, all of this will be over.  Bioware is not going to release a 2nd dlc in response to fans who still don't feel satisfied by the first.

To me, it's simple: 

1. Bioware announces extended cut, asks for continued feedback.

2. Realizing that extended cut as announced does not address most of the key concerns, offer feedback in big and creative ways.

3.  Hopefully, Bioware implements additional changes (longshot, but still) to the dlc based on fan response.

Just like they did the first time.

Until the announcement comes that the dlc has been fully written, you still have the ability to make yourselves heard.  This was just one suggestion as to how to do that.

But to suggest that "we just wait" to see what the final product looks like and "shut up" in the meantime is non-productive, especially when we continue to receive (albeit vague and condescending) messages that our feedback is shaping said content.

[Dawson14]

OnelShot wrote...

killnoob wrote..
I think 5 bucks is definitely worth spreading the word of the travesty that was the ending of Mass Effect. I can stomach it was just bad writing and people made some bad calls, but the LIES UPON LIES told to fans and customers about ME3 and the ending is unnacceptable. And since it seems that no one is really listening at BioWare and the Execs decided that their artistic integrity is more important than their customers and swallowing their pride, this is more than fitting. What else are we supposed to do? You already have our money.

You should think of this as a compliment. We love Mass Effect so much that we are going to this great length to make our point and try to get the change that WE DESERVE. Maybe this time Casey and others will get the hint.

LOL

this is silly...spreading the word of the traversty of the edning of Mass effect 3 using a billboard that has neither Mass effect 3 or bioware logo on it? 

Some people like to spread the word on travesties like poverty or child-abuse and others like to spread the word on a ending they didn't like in a video game. 

Isn't America great?

PS: What charity have you helped recently? I already know the answer: NONE

[john v rambo]

 I don`t understand some peoples motives... Yeah the ending was a let down. But with the news about the FREE Extended cut DLC coupled with some things we have heard from Mr. Weekes, everyone should at least wait and see what it will entail. This is just a big stupid waste of time and money. 

[Athlonis1]

KingDan97 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Get billboard in Berkley California in the US to try and troll(don't even pretend it's anything else) a Canadian developer owned by a company based out of a city an hour away.

Smaaarrrttt.

Both are Canadian. The best statment would be to do it out of Edmonton if you really want to get peoples attention at Bioware and Montreal for EA (if they as most of Canada have a cenral HQ in that location).

But hey, I can tell you exactly what will happen if you do that.

I was refering to EA being an hour away.

And if anyone honestly believes this will put any pressure on EA by anyone at all, you're just so wrong.If this reaches any news the people who will be put in a negative light by this point in the race(and yes, it is a race) are the fools who are willing to throw their apparently limitless pits of money at something so childishly ridiculous that it seems like a joke even reading it.

Bioware has adressed your issue that the ending was incohesive and they are actively working on strategies and ways to make it a cohesive experience. Just because they didn't use Indoctrination Theory doesn't mean anything. No one will take your side anymore, just because Forbes didn't think you were being whiny little brats before Bioware said that they are working on a free addendum to the ending doesn't mean that after they've said they're working to adress concerns that you can keep bashing your fists on the ground and everyone will continue to side with you.

Think of it this way. You're in a store, and you hear a kid an aisle over crying because his mom won't buy him a toy. After 5 minutes you're shouting in your head "Just give him the damned toy, do anything to shut him up!" And she promises to give him the toy. Then 5 minutes later he's crying again and at that point who do you blame, the kid or the parent? I blame the kid, because he obviously can't comprehend that crying will not always get what you want.

Congrats, you have all become that whining 5 year old that everyone who has ever had to walk through a store hates because they just won't shut their traps when they get what they want.

Interesting anology. However it's not quite apt. I'd say releasing a clarification to the current ending is like using tape to fix glasses. Sure, it may stick together now, but it's still broken and you need a new pair.

[jules_vern18]

OnelShot wrote...

killnoob wrote..
I think 5 bucks is definitely worth spreading the word of the travesty that was the ending of Mass Effect. I can stomach it was just bad writing and people made some bad calls, but the LIES UPON LIES told to fans and customers about ME3 and the ending is unnacceptable. And since it seems that no one is really listening at BioWare and the Execs decided that their artistic integrity is more important than their customers and swallowing their pride, this is more than fitting. What else are we supposed to do? You already have our money.

You should think of this as a compliment. We love Mass Effect so much that we are going to this great length to make our point and try to get the change that WE DESERVE. Maybe this time Casey and others will get the hint.

LOL

this is silly...spreading the word of the traversty of the edning of Mass effect 3 using a billboard that has neither Mass effect 3 or bioware logo on it? 

Some people like to spread the word on travesties like poverty or child-abuse and others like to spread the word on a ending they didn't like in a video game. 

Sticking to the false duality, huh?

Why can't people do both?

Edit:  Just to be clear (and it's awesome that you used those two examples): I work with several people who have been victims of child abuse.  I have also done stints with Peacework in Honduras and Belize to help alleviate poverty. 

I am also upset about a video game.

Life is diverse; people invest their time in varied ways.  Stop being a jerk.

Modifié par jules_vern18, 10 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[Joccaren]

Dridengx wrote...

Not really, because it comes down to having a life. Someone could spend an hour while someone could spend 24 hrs. Someone could use their time on the forum to do petitions and fight corporate companies others use it for mild hearted fun on a break.

See, someone like you uses it, to whine about a video game ending wasting your time, money, and life.

Someone like me, comes here to glace over some topics and reply to people like you who need clarification

Please, define for me what "Having a Life" means. So far as I can tell it means:
-Not doing what you enjoy, like commenting on video games and arguing for something you believe in
-Conforming to societal expectations, so that you become a sheep in the herd
-Shutting up and just accepting everything with a 'Oh well, its not like it matters' attitude

Or, at least thats what most people here are giving me the impressiion it means.

Modifié par Joccaren, 10 avril 2012 - 05:21 .

[KingDan97]

Athlonis1 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Get billboard in Berkley California in the US to try and troll(don't even pretend it's anything else) a Canadian developer owned by a company based out of a city an hour away.

Smaaarrrttt.

Both are Canadian. The best statment would be to do it out of Edmonton if you really want to get peoples attention at Bioware and Montreal for EA (if they as most of Canada have a cenral HQ in that location).

But hey, I can tell you exactly what will happen if you do that.

I was refering to EA being an hour away.

And if anyone honestly believes this will put any pressure on EA by anyone at all, you're just so wrong.If this reaches any news the people who will be put in a negative light by this point in the race(and yes, it is a race) are the fools who are willing to throw their apparently limitless pits of money at something so childishly ridiculous that it seems like a joke even reading it.

Bioware has adressed your issue that the ending was incohesive and they are actively working on strategies and ways to make it a cohesive experience. Just because they didn't use Indoctrination Theory doesn't mean anything. No one will take your side anymore, just because Forbes didn't think you were being whiny little brats before Bioware said that they are working on a free addendum to the ending doesn't mean that after they've said they're working to adress concerns that you can keep bashing your fists on the ground and everyone will continue to side with you.

Think of it this way. You're in a store, and you hear a kid an aisle over crying because his mom won't buy him a toy. After 5 minutes you're shouting in your head "Just give him the damned toy, do anything to shut him up!" And she promises to give him the toy. Then 5 minutes later he's crying again and at that point who do you blame, the kid or the parent? I blame the kid, because he obviously can't comprehend that crying will not always get what you want.

Congrats, you have all become that whining 5 year old that everyone who has ever had to walk through a store hates because they just won't shut their traps when they get what they want.

Interesting anology. However it's not quite apt. I'd say releasing a clarification to the current ending is like using tape to fix glasses. Sure, it may stick together now, but it's still broken and you need a new pair.

You want Optimus Prime, your parents get you Bumblebee because Optimus is more expensive. You still got an action figure, you still got an autobot, he's just not Optimus. Bumblebee is still good, you just won't see that because you wanted Optimus.

That is an apt comparison. Because until you know you got a Go-Bot and not Bumblebee, you can't complain you're getting a Go-Bot.

[PhantomFFR7]

Eh, I don't nessesarily see this accomplishing the point. I mostly just see this aggrivating the wrong spots and getting the wrong message across.

Not that I think the effort is wasted, in fact I was thinking the next idea would come along soon...just that maybe it needs to be more creative and targeted towards the system that created this debacle rather than the ending itself whos message has already been received for better or worse.