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[InfamousResult]

RazRei wrote...

Because they're slow as **** to fix anything in this game.  So why not use all the "man power" to actually fix an issue and move on to the next one.

People who are hired to moderate a game are hired specifically to moderate it, or to do other menial jobs, and aren't trained in developing / fixing bugs- it wouldn't MATTER if they used that extra "man power". They are simply two completely separate teams with completely separate purposes.

Assuming that the Moderation team has any background in coding / developing is ridiculous.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 23 avril 2012 - 02:49 .

[StingerSplash01]

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

Im surprised they BW hasn't acted out against it yet to be honest. Personally idk, nor did i care thru the halo reach crap. But i wouldn't dare do it as i know the banhammer is coming. Think about it, people can spend real money in the store and with this glitch people are not going to be as likely to give in and buy the packs with cash so that clearly hurts BW potential profit. If BW does nothing i'll be surprised.

It is not a matter of if they do nothing (they will), but how they are going to handle it, outright total bans are not the first things they should do (mainly do the sheer number of players doing it because people keep telling them there is nor way to track it - in my first post I explained how they could irregardless of datamining settings), Muliplayer reset seem the most likely considering the issue it presents, but I wouldn't be surprised if they implement a system like the one I posted earlier

since tiered punsihment does more to deter exploiting a BUG in the game than outright bans it is the best course of action. People were never banned from Halo for exploiting BXRs and other glitches (MLG and WCG even allowed them for prize winning tournements). Back on topic since it is bug, they should dish tiered punishment while they fix it, and once it's fixed then it becomes a non issue (a game wide warning by disabling all credits earned for a day with a message from Bioware would actually be the absolute best way to get the message across as it will deter all players from doing it and would get the legit players angry at the glitch as well as show the glitchers they mean business without banning anyone). This is a PR positive move rather than a PR negative one.

[RazRei]

InfamousResult wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Because they're slow as **** to fix anything in this game.  So why not use all the "man power" to actually fix an issue and move on to the next one.

People who are hired to moderate a game are hired specifically to moderate it, or to do other menial jobs, and aren't trained in developing / fixing bugs- it wouldn't MATTER if they used that extra "man power". They are simply two completely separate teams with completely separate purposes.

Assuming that the Moderation team has any background in coding / developing is ridiculous.

Reporting problems on the offical forum about issues that's been present since the launch of the game is not reidiculous.  Not getting **** fixed because BW rather patch everything at once IS ridiculous.

[Drummernate]

People who abuse it every day:
Permaban no excuses.

People who do it with friends 1-2 times:
3 day ban.

People who happen to stumble on it once:
Nothing.




The people who just glitch all day long need to be banned for good. No reason to keep scum like them around.

[StingerSplash01]

RazRei wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Because they're slow as **** to fix anything in this game.  So why not use all the "man power" to actually fix an issue and move on to the next one.

People who are hired to moderate a game are hired specifically to moderate it, or to do other menial jobs, and aren't trained in developing / fixing bugs- it wouldn't MATTER if they used that extra "man power". They are simply two completely separate teams with completely separate purposes.

Assuming that the Moderation team has any background in coding / developing is ridiculous.

Reporting problems on the offical forum about issues that's been
present since the launch of the game is not reidiculous.  Not getting
**** fixed because BW rather patch everything at once IS ridiculous.

Actually it is common practice to fix many bugs before pushing a patch since certification times with Microsoft and Sony can be ridiculously long, AND it is simply the way it has been since the early days of PC gaming when Internet connections were not always available so pushing bigger patches made it easier for people to get them since they would have to only download (or get a disk/floppy from a friend) the patch once every couple months than connect once a day or week (since smaller files aren't as easily compressed). This also prevent source control from becoming an absolute nightmare.

Modifié par StingerSplash01, 23 avril 2012 - 03:04 .

[InfamousResult]

RazRei wrote...

Reporting problems on the offical forum about issues that's been present since the launch of the game is not reidiculous.  Not getting **** fixed because BW rather patch everything at once IS ridiculous.

Okay, but that has nothing to do with this thread. Complain about it somewhere else. : /

[J717]

Never done the credit glitch, don't care to, in fact, hoarding credits to unlock weapons isn't even as fun anymore - i've got 3 mil. just sitting there, waiting to see if there's anything worthwhile to unlock down the road (I've got all N7s except the Saber between rank III-V).

I personally couldn't care less if BioWare banned the exploiters or not - really, they're killing the replay value for themselves faster than anything else if they unlock everything already. I'm getting close to being flat-out bored with the only current gameplay mode, so I can only imagine how boring it would be with nothing to play for in MP.

But to protect potential profits, I could definitely see the banhammer coming down soon. I don't think anyone would be surprised at all, and there's no question that it would be deserved.

That said, why is there one person in this thread rebutting every argument as if he/she knows definitively how BioWare operates almost as if he/she is an employee? It's quite laughable. People need to get off their high horse and stop spouting their personal opinions/assumptions as facts.

[StingerSplash01]

Drummernate wrote...

People who abuse it every day:
Permaban no excuses.

People who do it with friends 1-2 times:
3 day ban.

People who happen to stumble on it once:
Nothing.




The people who just glitch all day long need to be banned for good. No reason to keep scum like them around.

Your missing the point, ALOT of people are doing this because they think they can't be caught or people are telling them they can't. Also people who keep it going are the people your most likely to stumble upon (this is what happened to me). And I stay until it broke a couple hours later ( since I was clueless to what was going on and they were my friends that I was talking to). Since they only were doing a couple of hours every few days or so, it was hard to tell when they doing it, so joining may or not end up in me doing the glitch. Hence why my total is anywhere from 500k to 2M. People are not going to leave when they stumble upon something that is beneficial to them and not adversely affecting any one (this is human nature and in some people tends to have a intoxicating effect -makes them want to do more (hence the heavy users)- since the inhernit risk is low at the gate). People who stumble upon it are more likely to stay until it breaks than leave right away since this is a co-op mode and not adversarial -the risks are not obvious-. As for EA caring, it really doesn't cut into their sales since BW/MSP/PSN purchased packs have slightly higher chances for better equipment than those bought with credits (this is from personal experience I have not recieved a crappy MSP pack from the ones I bought with leftover points).

[StingerSplash01]

J717 wrote...

Never done the credit glitch, don't care to, in fact, hoarding credits to unlock weapons isn't even as fun anymore - i've got 3 mil. just sitting there, waiting to see if there's anything worthwhile to unlock down the road (I've got all N7s except the Saber between rank III-V).

I personally couldn't care less if BioWare banned the exploiters or not - really, they're killing the replay value for themselves faster than anything else if they unlock everything already. I'm getting close to being flat-out bored with the only current gameplay mode, so I can only imagine how boring it would be with nothing to play for in MP.

But to protect potential profits, I could definitely see the banhammer coming down soon. I don't think anyone would be surprised at all, and there's no question that it would be deserved.

That said, why is there one person in this thread rebutting every argument as if he/she knows definitively how BioWare operates almost as if he/she is an employee? It's quite laughable. People need to get off their high horse and stop spouting their personal opinions/assumptions as facts.

Exactly my point, I'm a glitcher who quickly stopped once I realized that very fact (i'm only a third through progression, one or two N7s - other than the N7 weekend weapons - and they are low levels 1-3). I'm also someone who would willing take a reset of everything as punishment for even my small transgression. If they gave a 3 day ban I would be fine with that as well. The super-heavy abusers 15m+ definitely would deserve a ban since they are probably the one sitting at the top of the leaderboards since gold would become easy if you have all the ubers maxed.

[xX 7heGuy Xx]

StingerSplash01 wrote...

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

Im surprised they BW hasn't acted out against it yet to be honest. Personally idk, nor did i care thru the halo reach crap. But i wouldn't dare do it as i know the banhammer is coming. Think about it, people can spend real money in the store and with this glitch people are not going to be as likely to give in and buy the packs with cash so that clearly hurts BW potential profit. If BW does nothing i'll be surprised.

It is not a matter of if they do nothing (they will), but how they are going to handle it, outright total bans are not the first things they should do (mainly do the sheer number of players doing it because people keep telling them there is nor way to track it - in my first post I explained how they could irregardless of datamining settings), Muliplayer reset seem the most likely considering the issue it presents, but I wouldn't be surprised if they implement a system like the one I posted earlier

since tiered punsihment does more to deter exploiting a BUG in the game than outright bans it is the best course of action. People were never banned from Halo for exploiting BXRs and other glitches (MLG and WCG even allowed them for prize winning tournements). Back on topic since it is bug, they should dish tiered punishment while they fix it, and once it's fixed then it becomes a non issue (a game wide warning by disabling all credits earned for a day with a message from Bioware would actually be the absolute best way to get the message across as it will deter all players from doing it and would get the legit players angry at the glitch as well as show the glitchers they mean business without banning anyone). This is a PR positive move rather than a PR negative one.

I was just trying to point out to the people who believe they should do nothing about it that thats not going to happen. i agree with you bans probably wont happen but i was not trying to make a case on how they will go about, just telling everyone they will

[therealsylvos]

Drummernate wrote...

People who abuse it every day:
Permaban no excuses.

People who do it with friends 1-2 times:
3 day ban.

People who happen to stumble on it once:
Nothing.




The people who just glitch all day long need to be banned for good. No reason to keep scum like them around.

Honest question, why do you give a ****? The only people negatively affected is Bioware themselves due to possible lost revenues. 

If I have BW X and every other N7 weapon, what difference is it to you if I spent 10 million dollars spamming premium spectre packs or I glitched 24/7? 

Modifié par therealsylvos, 23 avril 2012 - 03:33 .

[D4rk50ul808]

Why would they punish people for doing something the game allows them to do. You do realize that a lot of people don't read the forums and don't know that they will get in trouble for it. It shouldn't bother you since it has NO effect on you multiplayer experience since 99% of the time they are private lobbies (I never run into them in quick search).

I don't do it but I don't care if you do. That's not fun to me, the game play is. If its a problem just fix the bug and move on, no need for punishing someone who spent 10 hours a day doing the same thing over and over on a 3 minute loop.

[Drummernate]

therealsylvos wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

People who abuse it every day:
Permaban no excuses.

People who do it with friends 1-2 times:
3 day ban.

People who happen to stumble on it once:
Nothing.




The people who just glitch all day long need to be banned for good. No reason to keep scum like them around.

Honest question, why do you give a ****? The only people negatively affected is Bioware themselves due to possible lost revenues. 

If I have BW X and every other N7 weapon, what difference is it to you if I spent 10 million dollars spamming premium spectre packs or I glitched 24/7? 

Because I actually work for it 6 hours a day, every day, and I don't want some glitching **** to have better equipment than me, playing less than 1/10th the amount I do.

That's why.

[therealsylvos]

Drummernate wrote...



Because I actually work for it 6 hours a day, every day, and I don't want some glitching **** to have better equipment than me, playing less than 1/10th the amount I do.

That's why.

...What difference is it to you if I found daddy's credit card and spend all his money or I glitch? Either way the system doesn't reward based on achievement's, like say COD, its a lottery.  

Modifié par therealsylvos, 23 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[joshynoob]

Drummernate wrote...

Because I actually work for it 6 hours a day, every day, and I don't want some glitching **** to have better equipment than me, playing less than 1/10th the amount I do.

That's why.

What an entitled whiner this one is !

Modifié par joshynoob, 23 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[StingerSplash01]

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

StingerSplash01 wrote...

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

Im surprised they BW hasn't acted out against it yet to be honest. Personally idk, nor did i care thru the halo reach crap. But i wouldn't dare do it as i know the banhammer is coming. Think about it, people can spend real money in the store and with this glitch people are not going to be as likely to give in and buy the packs with cash so that clearly hurts BW potential profit. If BW does nothing i'll be surprised.

It is not a matter of if they do nothing (they will), but how they are going to handle it, outright total bans are not the first things they should do (mainly do the sheer number of players doing it because people keep telling them there is nor way to track it - in my first post I explained how they could irregardless of datamining settings), Muliplayer reset seem the most likely considering the issue it presents, but I wouldn't be surprised if they implement a system like the one I posted earlier

since tiered punsihment does more to deter exploiting a BUG in the game than outright bans it is the best course of action. People were never banned from Halo for exploiting BXRs and other glitches (MLG and WCG even allowed them for prize winning tournements). Back on topic since it is bug, they should dish tiered punishment while they fix it, and once it's fixed then it becomes a non issue (a game wide warning by disabling all credits earned for a day with a message from Bioware would actually be the absolute best way to get the message across as it will deter all players from doing it and would get the legit players angry at the glitch as well as show the glitchers they mean business without banning anyone). This is a PR positive move rather than a PR negative one.

I was just trying to point out to the people who believe they should do nothing about it that thats not going to happen. i agree with you bans probably wont happen but i was not trying to make a case on how they will go about, just telling everyone they will

I'm also not being a dick about having done the glitch like some people are (some are spreading the false rumor that turning off datamining prevents you from getting caught, and others are in multiplayer lobbies calling others idiots and scrubs because they don't have all the weapons maxed out and pimping the glitch at the same time), I stopped since it was ruining the experience for me. Also I am expecting punsihment for doing it myself, but I'm also one who is proposing solutions, providing information on game mechanics as I see them (look at my multiplayer progression post), and trying to helpful in anyway I can. I'm sitting on the fence of the  issue looking at it from both sides. Some people expect that all people who have done it should get Banhammered into the stratusphere, while some people who have done it ALOT think they should get not punishment at all. I say it depends on the situation, since in this case they are only (I mean this is a funfactor sense) hurting themselves by doing this glitch (as I have found out and promptly stopped). Punishment for this should be handled carefully, and a tiered system of warnings/initial punishments depending on severity of glitchitude starting from nothing leading up to permabans is the best way to go. It is the determinining of these lines that will cause controversy, if any, and will ultimately determine how their PR impact will be. The initial punishments should less harsh then those that after they begin the process, as this will soften the blow and prevent people from getting to angry (no permabans should be given out initially, as this would be PR negative). 

[InfamousResult]

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

Why would they punish people for doing something the game allows them to do. You do realize that a lot of people don't read the forums and don't know that they will get in trouble for it. It shouldn't bother you since it has NO effect on you multiplayer experience since 99% of the time they are private lobbies (I never run into them in quick search).

I don't do it but I don't care if you do. That's not fun to me, the game play is. If its a problem just fix the bug and move on, no need for punishing someone who spent 10 hours a day doing the same thing over and over on a 3 minute loop.

It's abusing an exploit. Just because you are able to do it in the game, especially by going through very specific circumstances that most people won't over and over again, doesn't make it not against the rules. Everybody who games knows what it is to abuse an exploit. It's not NEW, and it didn't STOP being a form of cheating.

Also, they don't have to come on the forums to see the ToS- you have to agree to the ToS to even be able to play Multiplayer at all. They agreed to it. They violated the contract. It's as simple as that. Really, it is.

[Drummernate]

joshynoob wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Because I actually work for it 6 hours a day, every day, and I don't want some glitching **** to have better equipment than me, playing less than 1/10th the amount I do.

That's why.

What an entitled winner this one is !

*Fixed*

Entitled whiner?

How am I entitled?

If I work for something I should get it.

At least I am not on "glitch welfare" like some of you.

By the way I am not taking crap from someone who has "Noob" in their name. <_<

Modifié par Drummernate, 23 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[jandrewcepticon]

I know people who have done it because they got annoyed with working hard finishing gold, buying a spectre pack, and getting crap. I'm not saying it's alright to do it, but I do understand their frustration because I too had to go through a crap-full of weapons and character cards before I could even level my favorite weapons like the phalanx, carnifex, widow, gps, etc...

I personally think this could hurt a small percentage of the community if they did ban/suspend/take/reset these people. They would probably just say, "Oh f**k it, I'm out of here." Take note that I am saying "small percentage" because I still have faith that only few people have done the glitch. And boy is that glitch tempting, lol.

[Drummernate]

I got everything I have (Which is everything other than the Black Widow... which I don't care about) without doing any glitches or exploits.

Just playing the damn game like it is meant to be played.

[xX 7heGuy Xx]

StingerSplash01 wrote...

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

StingerSplash01 wrote...

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

Im surprised they BW hasn't acted out against it yet to be honest. Personally idk, nor did i care thru the halo reach crap. But i wouldn't dare do it as i know the banhammer is coming. Think about it, people can spend real money in the store and with this glitch people are not going to be as likely to give in and buy the packs with cash so that clearly hurts BW potential profit. If BW does nothing i'll be surprised.

It is not a matter of if they do nothing (they will), but how they are going to handle it, outright total bans are not the first things they should do (mainly do the sheer number of players doing it because people keep telling them there is nor way to track it - in my first post I explained how they could irregardless of datamining settings), Muliplayer reset seem the most likely considering the issue it presents, but I wouldn't be surprised if they implement a system like the one I posted earlier

since tiered punsihment does more to deter exploiting a BUG in the game than outright bans it is the best course of action. People were never banned from Halo for exploiting BXRs and other glitches (MLG and WCG even allowed them for prize winning tournements). Back on topic since it is bug, they should dish tiered punishment while they fix it, and once it's fixed then it becomes a non issue (a game wide warning by disabling all credits earned for a day with a message from Bioware would actually be the absolute best way to get the message across as it will deter all players from doing it and would get the legit players angry at the glitch as well as show the glitchers they mean business without banning anyone). This is a PR positive move rather than a PR negative one.

I was just trying to point out to the people who believe they should do nothing about it that thats not going to happen. i agree with you bans probably wont happen but i was not trying to make a case on how they will go about, just telling everyone they will

I'm also not being a dick about having done the glitch like some people are (some are spreading the false rumor that turning off datamining prevents you from getting caught, and others are in multiplayer lobbies calling others idiots and scrubs because they don't have all the weapons maxed out and pimping the glitch at the same time), I stopped since it was ruining the experience for me. Also I am expecting punsihment for doing it myself, but I'm also one who is proposing solutions, providing information on game mechanics as I see them (look at my multiplayer progression post), and trying to helpful in anyway I can. I'm sitting on the fence of the  issue looking at it from both sides. Some people expect that all people who have done it should get Banhammered into the stratusphere, while some people who have done it ALOT think they should get not punishment at all. I say it depends on the situation, since in this case they are only (I mean this is a funfactor sense) hurting themselves by doing this glitch (as I have found out and promptly stopped). Punishment for this should be handled carefully, and a tiered system of warnings/initial punishments depending on severity of glitchitude starting from nothing leading up to permabans is the best way to go. It is the determinining of these lines that will cause controversy, if any, and will ultimately determine how their PR impact will be. The initial punishments should less harsh then those that after they begin the process, as this will soften the blow and prevent people from getting to angry (no permabans should be given out initially, as this would be PR negative). 

I really don't understand as to why your telling me this. Like i said i said nothing about how they would go about it just that they would do something. Personally idc what they do as it wont affect me. I had just seen some that doubted BW would do anything at all and wanted to vioce my point that they will.

[StingerSplash01]

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

I really don't understand as to why your telling me this. Like i said i said nothing about how they would go about it just that they would do something. Personally idc what they do as it wont affect me. I had just seen some that doubted BW would do anything at all and wanted to vioce my point that they will.

Sorry should have been new post (It was more a continuation of a thought that stemmed from thinking about how people think they wouldn't do anything at all). Didn't mean to reply to you directly

Modifié par StingerSplash01, 23 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[JasonSic]

Should Bioware ban people for abusing a glitch?
- No, it's an error on Biowares part, if they don't want people farming credits this way, they can just patch the game.

Should Bioware ban people for hacking the game to aquire credits?
- Hell yeah.

[InfamousResult]

JasonSic wrote...

Should Bioware ban people for abusing a glitch?
- No, it's an error on Biowares part, if they don't want people farming credits this way, they can just patch the game.

This has STILL not stopped being a really dumb response.
Making a mistake = okay, yeah pretty bad. ABUSING somebody else's mistake = UM YEAH, WHAT A JERK.

People who abuse something are the ones in the wrong. Common decency- no matter how uncommon it actually is among gamers. Not only that, they SIGNED the Terms of Service which- once again- tell you NOT to do exactly what these people are doing. If they break the ToS, that's their own fault, not Bioware's.

[Dr-Rai1]

Drummernate wrote..
Because I actually work for it 6 hours a day, every day, and I don't want some glitching **** to have better equipment than me, playing less than 1/10th the amount I do.

That's why.

Sorry but philosophy had to jump in, if you were actually so noble that you work hard to achieve what you get, you would actually feel more proud about your accomplishments instead of whining about people glitching to do it in a shorter amount of time, your comment and the previous scum one just seems like angry sour grapes.

This isn't PvP, I could care less if people are credit glitching on their own time, it doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever, I'm happy with what I achieve myself and don't care about how others did it, whether by glitching or spending $1000 of real money. *shrug*