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[Skitzophreak]

BCDA

The fact no-one has said F makes me happy. I am sick of the happy ending brigade making people think we want an ending where Shepard and LI get kittens and live on a rainbow

[LadyAly]

D and A

Modifié par LadyAly, 11 avril 2012 - 08:35 .

[OldSwede]

All of them, but F

I do not mind Shepard living, or dying - or...well, on a 2nd thought I think I'd like Shepard to live, but if not, so be it.

[Grasich]

Skitzophreak wrote...

BCDA

The fact no-one has said F makes me happy. I am sick of the happy ending brigade making people think we want an ending where Shepard and LI get kittens and live on a rainbow

I said F. I want a god damn reunite ending.

[4509]

All of the above mentioned. Plus other as in wouldn't the game appeal to a bigger audience if it had a range from happy to depressing endings? They could even put an option in the menu for it... "Ending psychology: Relief, Bittersweet, or Tri-colour".

[An English Gamer]

Considering how I was pure paragon. All of the above.

[DarthSyphilis59]

all of the above

[Nidowa]

B

but i would like to point out one part of b the most
the synthetic argument, its so stupid, you cant even argue thats just their view on it because they have helped the geth (synthetics) against organics twice now >.>

[Hawk227]

Plotholes/Other - The ending (at face value) abandons the entire preceding 100 hr narrative. Why make the Reapers so mysterious and ominous only to boil their motives down to circular logic nonsense? Why emphasize diversity, tolerance, and self-determination/free will only to make the "best" ending a forced homogenization of the galaxy? Why intentionally show that the Quarians attacked first, and showing EDI falling in love with Joker, only to make the final conflict organic vs. synthetic rather than the Reapers vs. Everybody it's always been?

I might be in the minority, but I would've been significantly happier had you fought your way to the Crucible controls and either succeeded or not based on EMS. No final choices. Just you win or reapers win, depending on how well you united the galaxy.

[OldSwede]

Here is a good survey, that you can have a look at:


http://social.biowar.../index/11233798


edit: I didn't mean to be rude, just thinking of the poll here and so many different, but also same answers

Modifié par OldSwede, 11 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[Cogneter]

The biggest is B. But other problems apply as well.

[daecath]

Degs29 wrote...

So, what do you guys personally feel is the biggest problem with the ending?  Please list your choice as A - H first before/if you explain why so I can tally them fast!

A)  Plotholes
  The story itself (aka, God-child)
C)  Simplistic final conflict (choose Red, Blue, or Green)
D)  Past choices have too little effect in the endgame
E)  Lack of an epilogue (what happens to squadmates/allies/LI?)
F)  Shepard dies!
G)  Endings not distinct enough
H)  Other (sorry if I forgot one!)


From what I can tell, Bioware is attempting to fix both A and E, which is fine...but I don't think these are the big issues fans want fixed.  The purpose of this poll is to see if I'm right or not!

My choice:  D

Every one of those can be traced back to B.

Every plot hole is a result of a story that completely ignores the entire rest of the story.

The simplistic final conflict is a result of this flawed premise that the way to resolve the conflict with the reapers is to resolve the (already proven non-existant) conflict between organics and synthetics.

Past choices don't have any impact because the ending of the game is an entire story in and of itself.

Lack of an epilogue and Shepard dying are the result of the fact that the ending replaces Shepard with the starbrat as the protagonist of the story, and relegates Shepard to the role of plot device. It is starbrat's decision to end the reapers, it is starbrat's decision how to end the reapers, and Shepard takes on the role of random chance that starbrat uses to decide which method to end the conflict.

And the endings aren't distinct because the plot of the ending is so simplistic that there's not enough there to differentiate the choices from one another.

In other words, the ending was badly written and fundamentally flawed.

[Lance Gardner]

1.) Past choices have too little effect in the endgame
2.) Endings not distinct enough
3.) Lack of an epilogue (what happens to squadmates/allies/LI?)
4.) Plotholes
5.) Simplistic final conflict (choose Red, Blue, or Green)
6.) Shepard dies!
7.) The story itself (aka, God-child)

[Hobbes]

Can I choose more than one?
Oh well, too late, these are in order with what I found most disappointing first.


D- I just don't feel like what I did really had any impact whatsoever on the ending...

E- I just spent 3 games getting attached to these characters; I want to know what happened with them.

C- Need I say more...? A whole game made of variety and choices, reduced to this.

F- I don't mind that it's an option but I would have liked to have the chance for them to survive...and/or not be stranded half dead under rubble in the middle of nowhere)

G- While I thought the endings themself were pretty different, the way they were illustrated was not. There were a few thing’s extra blown up, but other than that the colours were different

I don't like that a few things don't connect and there are a few plot holes in there that I take issue with, but I can just roll my eyes and move on with most of them. Well okay maybe the fact that Kaidan somehow got onto the Normandy and abandoned me after being on my squad on Earth was a bit strange...but yeah...

...Ok I lied...the plotholes and story bother me too...

Modifié par hobbes296, 11 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[Aetika]

Hmm, all of the above for sure. But I think my big top issue is the change of main problem. Reapers are your main problem for the whole trilogy. Since ME1 you are in various ways fighting Reapers to stop them from killing everyone, but in last five minutes I am suddenly told that Reapers are not problem and that main problem is synthetics vs organics, one of subplots, which in addition I proved not to be problem just few missions ago.

[DJBare]

A, C, D, E, G.

[evisneffo]

Honestly, all of the above with the possible exception of F (although I would appreciate this being an option rather than prescriptive to all endings, which then goes along with G).

But if you really pushed me, I'd say C. Massive anti-climax. Unsatisfying way to end a three-game-long war. Or is that B? Hmm...

[Rabid Rooster]

You forgot a choice so I will add it for you. I take I: All Of The Above.

[Hobbes]

Aetika wrote...

...but in last five minutes I am suddenly told that Reapers are not problem and that main problem is synthetics vs organics, one of subplots, which in addition I proved not to be problem just few missions ago.

I was thinking that myself, it just does not make sense.

Modifié par hobbes296, 11 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[Avalon Aurora]

Bill Casey wrote...

This...

Pretty much this, although there are other majorly serious issues, such as that Starbrat's explainations of the purpose of the Reapers is contradictory and defies logic, and that the Crucible and Catalyst are able to pull off the Synthesis ending at all in a sci-fi setting, there is a reason people are calling it 'space magic'. Also, why the Geth, Edi, Shep's synthetic parts, and the Mass Relays have to be destroyed with the Reapers in the Destroy ending. Also why you walk towards and shoot the tube in the Destroy ending.

[KillerKooK]

ABCD

[Ieldra]

Degs29 wrote...
A)  Plotholes
  The story itself (aka, God-child)
C)  Simplistic final conflict (choose Red, Blue, or Green)
D)  Past choices have too little effect in the endgame
E)  Lack of an epilogue (what happens to squadmates/allies/LI?)
F)  Shepard dies!
G)  Endings not distinct enough
H)  Other (sorry if I forgot one!)

Other:
(1) The lack of an explanation for the cycle that makes sense
(2) Shepard's blind trust in the Catalyst's words.

[daecath]

Skitzophreak wrote...

BCDA

The fact no-one has said F makes me happy. I am sick of the happy ending brigade making people think we want an ending where Shepard and LI get kittens and live on a rainbow

And why shouldn't we want that? I'm sick of the emo-teenagers thinking that the only way to have a truly artistic ending is if everyone dies and the ones that don't end up killing themselves because life is pointless and cruel.

You can have art that is uplifting. You can have art that inspires. You can have art that honors sacrifice while still providing a happy ending. Think Lord of the Rings. Everyone survives overwhelming odds, and they all live happily ever after. Bad guys dead, good guys win, hero gets the girl and becomes king, other hero gets the girl and settles down in the shire, annoying hero goes away forever - everyone happy. Nothing wrong with that.

And in a game, where the whole point is to have a goal to work towards, I want the possibility of being rewarded with a happy ending. If I wanted an existential lesson on the futility of life, the illusion of choice, and the insignificance of the individual, I'd follow politics. That's not why I play games. Sure, include the bad and bittersweet endings for those that didn't prepare enough, but there should be a reward for those that put in the work to get it.

[UrgentArchengel]

A, B, C, D, E, G.

[BobbyDylan]

The God Child. He's nothing short of a classic example of a Deus Ex Machina.

A deus ex machina is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.

A deus ex machina is generally undesirable in writing and often implies a lack of creativity on the part of the author. The reasons for this are that it does not pay due regard to the story's internal logic and is often so unlikely that it challenges suspension of disbelief, allowing the author to conclude the story with an unlikely, though perhaps more palatable, ending.[14]
 

Modifié par BobbyDylan, 11 avril 2012 - 09:18 .