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[Southerndoom]

I can't really say one of those but i'll put it like this.

I don't think the choices we're given are all that terrible i dont even think starkid is that bad.
Its the execution of it all and the lack of an actual ending that annoyed me.We get no closure for our squad or really what happens after we stop the reapers,we dont knowwhat happens to Shepard.One breath doesn't count.All these questions of what happens are not answered,

Terrible execution and lack of resolution.Those are what made the ending bad.

[yahtzo]

All of them? Can't pick just one of the options. They are all garbage.

[M Hedonist]

A): I think if I had to pick any one of these, it would be that. The existence of a being that is in control of the reapers and/or the citadel contradicts the entire plot of the first game. There may be arguments why that isn't the case, but Bioware has simply forgot to include them in the game. Did they think nobody would catch that huge contradiction? It's obvious to me that they simply didn't think their ending through.

H): However, what also bugs me at least the same as the plot holes is how both Shepard and the Catalyst act in a way that doesn't resemble any kind of common sense or logic. I wouldn't hate the Catalyst itself if it would be explained why he wasn't capable of using the citadel to send the signal during the plot of the first game and if he wouldn't be so willing to let you choose the 'destruction' option. He acknowledges himself that isn't a solution to the 'chaos' he was supposed to solve, does he just not care anymore? That's why he doesn't make any sense for me. Also, Shepard should have the option to simply oppose the Catalyst's 'solutions'. If you pick the 'destruction' option, it's a lose-lose situation, really. It doesn't solve the conflict the Catalyst is supposed to stop from happening, but it still follows the Catalyst's logic that organics and synthetics couldn't coexist peacefully without involving some kind of space magic or genocide.

Modifié par Sauruz, 11 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[Silhouett3]

Plotholes and story - tied to each other.

Can deal with it abandoning the RPG elements, such as characters, choices/consequences or the three colored sequences. But abandoning the established lore ruins the whole galaxy and it's logic, it is now a broken story.

[Robhuzz]

A, B and C just pertain to incredibly bad writing, making the ending ridiculous and insulting to the whole team and the fans alike.

D, F and G just kill all replay value that the series had. Nothing you do makes a bit of difference. Shepard always dies, the galaxy is always screwed, your companions are always marooned on gilligans planet, you're always forced to accept the star child's 'logic' and you always see space magic saving/ruining the day.

E makes the ending especially unsatisfying as we're all left wondering what the hell happened after finishing a trilogy that was supposed to wrap all of these things up. It left me with a very sour taste in my mouth.

So really, ALL of the above points ruin not only the ending but the entire trilogy for me.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 11 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[M Hedonist]

D): Also, I could completely accept if we didn't have any choice at all in the end, if all of our past choices would somehow be reflected in the end instead. That would be much more important to me. Over the course of the game I was constantly asking myself questions like: Would the krogan start another rebellion after the reapers are defeated if I cure their genophage problem? Would Wrex really be able to unite the krogans and stop them from rebelling against the other races? What happens to my LI? What happens to all my other squadmates? Will Liara and Feron hook up in the end? What about Garrus and Tali?
Whilst I don't give a crap about the Catalyst's 'solutions' and the eternal conflict between man and machine.

[Aetika]

Skitzophreak wrote...

BCDA

The fact no-one has said F makes me happy. I am sick of the happy ending brigade making people think we want an ending where Shepard and LI get kittens and live on a rainbow

Well, except of all those who said "all of the above"

Also the original question was what is biggest problem, so people may consider lack of happy ending as problem, just not the BIGGEST one.

Also, I agree with daecath

[Mr_Blue]

All but F. I don't really care if Shepard has to die (sacrifice is a prominent theme; gotta put your money where your mouth is) I just want the ending to be coherent, and...an ending.

[xdognatex]

 all but F and G

[Zaalbar]

Being forced to agree with everything the Genocidal star kid tells you.

There is no reason why Shepard would just simply go along with anything it says
I mean think about it, Star kid tells Shepard to

1. Stick your hands in these Electrical currents if you "THINK" you can control us, But you will die and loose everything. (WTF! Why would anyone think that's a good idea?)

2. Shoot the glass tube to Destroy the Reapers but you will kill an entire race in doing so. (Admittedly out of the 3 this would be the only option as far as I can tell given the alternatives)
or
3. The Final Solution, Jump into a beam of light that kills you but it will Destroy Diversity in the galaxy and bring about a master race. (Ironically, you need a high EMS to get this ending because BIoware seem to think its a good thing)

So all the problems with the endings evolve around the Star kid, and Shepard inability to question anything it says.
There Should have been a fourth option rejecting the other options as Shepard has proved without a doubt that the Cycle need not happen again.

The Star Kid was completely wrong and it contradicted itself, It claims to bring order to chaos but everything that is happening in the galaxy right now is in chaos brought on by the Reapers themselves, The Galaxy was fine before they arrived with no threats of synthetics destroying organics.
And the Star kids Logic is just completely bonkers as it sends out synthetic machines to kill organics for the purpose of saving organics against synthetics.

The Star Kid is the problem, it creates Chaos and the Reapers are the only threat to Organics.
What Shepard should have said to the thing is "You are not the solution to the problem, you are the problem, so pack your bags and gather your Reapers and get the **** out of my galaxy before my combined fleet of Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians, Quarians, Geth, Krogans, Elcor, Hanar, Batarians, Drell, Volus and every merch band that has ever existed rains down on your little genocidal divine ass..." "OH! and before I kick your ass, I would like you to know the Geth are Synthetics and they are helping us organics in kicking your ass back into dark space"

The Star Kid and the Reapers are the problem so I would put my faith in the fleets, after all, I spent an entire game uniting all these races including synthetics for the common cause of defeating the Reapers.
The Extended ending DLC should give us this fourth option in order for it to ever work otherwise it will just become a polished turd and ME3 will always be remembered mostly for that game with the terrible contrived ending.

Modifié par zaalbar76, 11 avril 2012 - 10:14 .

[FFHAuthor]

The mechanics of the game trilogy that Bioware established with rather overwhelming consistency prior o this ere totally discarded. I.e. multiple solutions to insurmountable problems and the ability of the player to question the issues placed before them.

Plus the ending itself only suits the theme of someonr who played the game and lost friends and allies. So while the games end is excellent for one ending, its theme is completely inappropriate from someone who saved the lives of their allies and approched problems thought to be impossible to resolve with an eye to 'fixing' rather that 'picking'

[SPR000X]

  God Childs motives *insert Xzibit meme.jpg*
E)  Lack of an epilogue (what happens to squadmates/allies/LI?)
H)  Stargazer made it all look too much like space jesus. I wish i wouldent have seen it.

[shodiswe]

I've complained too many times already lack logic, unquestionalbe trust between shepard and the Reaper leader, lack of conclusion to questlines and the endings.

The catalyst always wins it's moral victory over shepard no matter what. Unless your shepard is too much of a looser to break and it's impossible for Shepard to look any worse than he/she already was Not sure how though.

[Total Biscuit]

A to E plus G.

Frankly it's all one massive mess right now.

I'm fine with Shepard dying in all but one ending like we have now, as long as they change it to make their sacrifice worth it, the sweet part they forgot to include in heir bittersweet ending.

[Grimwick]

ACGFE

it's all about being forced into stupid decisions which have no real impact on anything other than f***ing everyone up.
And Shepard dying is another decision you are forced into, which I don't like.

[Vilegrim]

God Child and having t oagree to commit one of 3 flavours of genocide.

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

A

None of the choices actually make any sense.

[Spectre-00N7]

B, D, and E

[Doctor Uburian]

The Stargazer scene made it an ¨it has been useless¨ game, everyone died 

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 11 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[MoZedK]

Degs29 wrote...

So, what do you guys personally feel is the biggest problem with the ending?  Please list your choice as A - H first before/if you explain why so I can tally them fast!

A)  Plotholes
  The story itself (aka, God-child)
C)  Simplistic final conflict (choose Red, Blue, or Green)
D)  Past choices have too little effect in the endgame
E)  Lack of an epilogue (what happens to squadmates/allies/LI?)
F)  Shepard dies!
G)  Endings not distinct enough
H)  Other (sorry if I forgot one!)


From what I can tell, Bioware is attempting to fix both A and E, which is fine...but I don't think these are the big issues fans want fixed.  The purpose of this poll is to see if I'm right or not!

My choice:  D

I dont think you can simplify it like that. The problem is some of those thing.

I have sayed this befour and doing it again its for me.

Loosing:
Character focus
Genre
Central conflict
Narritive Cohrence
Control
Widly different endings (Casey Hudson)

I have no problem with:
Shepard dies
Bitter sweet.

All this has to be put in context that is to big to put in here, but I dont see it as you write it in the POLL

[MysticSpace]

The fact that you ride a spirit elevator to the star child and everything after that.

[ZajoE38]

Only E

[Sylvanspirits]

In order:

B > C > D = A > E = G >>>>>>>>>> F

I could care less about Shepard dying, the problem is the ending makes no sense in the context of the universe and is narrated by possibly my most hated character in any game (although, Anomen from Baldur's Gate is a dangerously close one "Evil-doer! You're not being holier-than-thou enough for MY liking!")

[eoinnx03]

D And F.
I want little blue children.

[MadMatt910]

A, but also lore inconsistencies