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[Metalunatic]

bigbad1013 wrote...

Honestly I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this. It's not like they are hurting anyone and it's their own money, they can do whatever they want with it. Live and let live.

Exactly. This just shows how much the retakers love the series. If the people behind the movement thought the game was completely terrible they wouldn't waste this much time and money to get it improved.

Honestly, what is the point in doing threads like this and insulting retakers? It's a waste of time. Even if a new, plothole free ending would be made the anti-retakers wouldn't have to buy it -- just stick to the current plothole infested one. No problem whatsoever.

Some people just get their kicks in negatively commenting about the retakers on every thread.

Modifié par Metalunatic, 10 avril 2012 - 08:10 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

This has gone beyond far enough, I am curious, how much have you retakers spent so far on trying to take the creative rights of a product away from their creators? One would think with the amount of money you have spent you could have funded your own game by now.

You guys either have too much money or not enough to spend it on.

AshenSugar wrote...

its like seriously people act your age

And here come the personal insults. I wondered how long it would be, not to mention the OP's implication that anyone who supports the Retake Movement is 'clinically insane'.

Well in all fairness those who are in the "Retake Movement" dont really give us much reason to doubt this claim.

AshenSugar wrote...
I'd love to know who so many of these pro-Ending types are always so aggressive and confrontational when they post, it's like they are personally affronted by the fact that we don't blindly and passively support everything Bioware does without question.

Really? I would have thought it was the other way round with the amount of times I have seen the Retakers throw around words like "Bio-slave" and "Troll" when regarding people who dont agree with their god given right to dictate the direction of somebody elses product, how aggressive do you have to be to feel entitled to the right to dictate to the creators of a product what direction their products should go let alone pursue such a cause so aggressively. Tazz is right, you retakers need to wake up and act your age, by no means are we saying that you should blindly and passively support everything Bioware does without question but this is not the mature way to go about it. Any sane consumer who no longer liked the product a particular company produced would simply take their money elsewhere instead of spending god knows how much on petty campaigns with the purpose of enforcing their own will on somebody elses product. If you no longer like the games that Bioware make then just dont buy them.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

TheProfessor234 wrote...
Really should just do another donation drive, don't ask for any publicity, give it to Child's Play as an apology

What the GORRAM FRICK are you on about?

"Oh, Child's Play, we're Sorry we raised $80 000 before you decided you could no longer accept any money. Have some more!"

Just what exactly do the Retakers have to apologise to Child's Play for?

It'd make more sense for Childs Play to apologise to the kids.
"Yeah, there were all these people trying to give us charity, but they were linking it to a campaign against BioWare, it got too political, so we had to stop accepting/"
""Oh, so BioWare will match it, right?"
"Um, no."
"They'll give us something though, right?"
"Uh, no."

Again I ask, just what exactly do the Retakers have to apologise to Child's Play for?

:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

For using them as a flameshield to promote their own nefarious purposes? Lets be honest here, most of those in the Retake movement couldnt give a rats arse about the children, they were just a tool to be used to promote their own selfish ideals, in the end while the Retake Movement did raise money for the charity they proved to be more trouble than they were worth as they revealed their true nature and started demanding their money back from the charity when Bioware wasnt taken in by their ruse.

[JBONE27]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

TheProfessor234 wrote...
Really should just do another donation drive, don't ask for any publicity, give it to Child's Play as an apology

What the GORRAM FRICK are you on about?

"Oh, Child's Play, we're Sorry we raised $80 000 before you decided you could no longer accept any money. Have some more!"

Just what exactly do the Retakers have to apologise to Child's Play for?

It'd make more sense for Childs Play to apologise to the kids.
"Yeah, there were all these people trying to give us charity, but they were linking it to a campaign against BioWare, it got too political, so we had to stop accepting/"
""Oh, so BioWare will match it, right?"
"Um, no."
"They'll give us something though, right?"
"Uh, no."

Again I ask, just what exactly do the Retakers have to apologise to Child's Play for?

:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

For using them as a flameshield to promote their own nefarious purposes? Lets be honest here, most of those in the Retake movement couldnt give a rats arse about the children, they were just a tool to be used to promote their own selfish ideals, in the end while the Retake Movement did raise money for the charity they proved to be more trouble than they were worth as they revealed their true nature and started demanding their money back from the charity when Bioware wasnt taken in by their ruse.

You don't know that.  Simply because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are completely apathetic or total monsters.  From what I've heard it was precieved as being too political, and Child's Play, being an apolitical organization, simply wanted to stay out of the fray.

I would have given it to Doctors Without Borders, or the World Food Program, but those aren't gaming related.

[PaxtonFetel]

Here the problem of monopoly. So far no one has been able to create a quality product, like mass effect. Fans of fantasy can select the Witcher and a lot of other games of the genre , what do fans of science fiction, I don't know.

[hangmans tree]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Hol de lajn!

no co ty, rili?

[Irx]

Why not? Sounds kinda fun.
Though my "me dlc" money are already spent on several kickstarter projects. )

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
[snippety-snip]
For using them as a flameshield to promote their own nefarious purposes?

Oh, so it's bad to use Child's Play for ulterior motives?

What if EA does it? Without telling Child's Play?

www.cinemablend.com/games/Child-Play-Responds-EA-DLC-They-Did-Have-Our-Permission-Run-Promotion-41190.html

Or what if

• Blizzard
• Rad Game Tools
• Ventrilo
• HardOCP
• Cerulean Studios
• Microsoft
• Smugmug
• CheapAssGamer
• BAWLS Guarana
• eDimensional
• CCP Games
• SOE
• THQ

And several others

also use Child's Play?
The PAX said nothing about that.
donottrustpennyarcade.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/before-you-go-to-pax.html

Oh, so I guess, in your words, all these companies need to

TheProfessor234 wrote...
Really should just do another donation drive, don't ask for any publicity, give it to Child's Play as an apology

Or do you only have a problem when the Retakers do it?

[FDrage]

[quote]MaestroX101 wrote...

[quote]_symphony wrote...

...Why so bothered? if you don't like it don't donate money.
[/quote]

This isn't about personal insults. This is about the future of gaming, something that's kind of an important part of my life. I know that's pretty deep, but honestly, you're threatening not only the future of this series (which has been given a chance to make all the Retaker's happy again) but the future of gaming in general, as well as the label of a "gamer", and I refuse to sit down and watch as I'm associated with a group of childish, ignorant, unlogical money wasters that would rather spend time crapping on their own money than move the hell on to other things.
[/quote] 

That's why I care.

[/quote]

And you are better in anyway shape or form? spew insults left, right and center ... ? And you are a so called "true fan" ?

anyway .. here have a cookie and a mug of coffee to sit down and relax ...

[78stonewobble]

There's allways the Nigerian prince charity organisation.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

FDrage wrote...

And you are better in anyway shape or form? spew insults left, right and center ... ?

That pretty much describes both the "BioWare B*ttlickers", the "Sheeple", the "Deluded Retakers", the "Entitled Whiny Gamers"...
On one side-
"Heathens! Sheeple!"
on the other-
"Entitled Whiny Brats! Loonies!"

Me, I LOVED 99% of the game. I do replay. I think the ending was Pure Fail, but if others like it, great for them! I can't eat oysters or olives, but that doesn't make olive and oyster lovers idiots.

(Mind you, if I was served a "100% olive-and-oyster-free pancake" that had olives and oysters in it, I would be displeased. Just a side analogy).

Love the ending. Cool.
Hate the ending? Cool.

Can we stop the puerile bleh-bleh-bleh-bleh-bleh-ing, though, really?

[BentOrgy]

MaestroX101 wrote...

This isn't about personal insults. This is about the future of gaming, something that's kind of an important part of my life. I know that's pretty deep, but honestly, you're threatening not only the future of this series (which has been given a chance to make all the Retaker's happy again) but the future of gaming in general, as well as the label of a "gamer", and I refuse to sit down and watch as I'm associated with a group of childish, ignorant, unlogical money wasters that would rather spend time crapping on their own money than move the hell on to other things.

Its "Illogical."

[Laurencio]

WarpedAcorn wrote...

Remember when Firefly was cancelled and fans took out ads in the papers? It wouldn't be the first time, and hopefully not the last.

That didn't work

PaxtonFetel wrote...

Here the problem of monopoly. So far
no one has been able to create a quality product, like mass effect. Fans
of fantasy can select the Witcher and a lot of other games of the genre
, what do fans of science fiction, I don't know.

Problem is no one but Bioware have been able to meet the expectations of Science Fiction. Many have tried, many have utterly failed. Bioware is the only one that has actually given you a good science fiction story and let you exist in its universe without too many cheap tricks.

The balance they struck between roleplaying through conversations and choices, the action aspect thorugh a mostly fluid combat system and epicness in the scope of the story, is simply unmatched.

Modifié par Laurencio, 10 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[SandTrout]

OMG! BILLBOARDS! THAT'S JUST TOO FAR!

Seriously, STFU. A billboard is not 'too far'. 'Too far' would be something akin to what the race-baiters are doing with the Zimmerman-Martin case in Florida where people without that facts are placing a bounty on a man's head.

Give me a god damned break. If you think that using a charity or a billboard campaign to get a message out is some how 'too far' you frankly don't know wtf you're talking about, and should sew your own mouth shut for everyone's good. Charities get huge amounts of money from companies and individuals that use them for their own PR. Billboards are there for the express purpose of advertising, even advertising political or other messages, like 'This game's ending is bad and BioWare should feel bad!'

I'm sick and tired of idiots attempting to decry every legitimate thing that the fan base has done in order to pressure BioWare into fixing the endings. Now, because of you, BioWare thinks it can get away with refusing to buck up and admit its mistake and has instead opted to expand the idiotic ending instead of fixing it. What's their justification? The bull**** defense of 'artistic integrity'. Well, if BioWare holds its 'artistic integrity' in higher regard than its 'commercial integrity', then they can keep their art and I'll keep my money.

Well, this is me, admitting defeat. I won't say the Line is broken, but I've given up on trying to save BioWare from itself.

[Dezerte]

I'd rather take a look at your post and question it.

It's obvious you don't know what being clinically insane means (that term isn't even used anymore), your post only serves to make you look stupid and discredit your opinion.

Modifié par Dezman8, 10 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[Arcadian Legend]

This is just getting seriously dumb. All of it is. The whole retakers vs pro-ending folks thing needs to stop.

[The Exiled Paladin]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

FDrage wrote...

And you are better in anyway shape or form? spew insults left, right and center ... ?

That pretty much describes both the "BioWare B*ttlickers", the "Sheeple", the "Deluded Retakers", the "Entitled Whiny Gamers"...
On one side-
"Heathens! Sheeple!"
on the other-
"Entitled Whiny Brats! Loonies!"

Me, I LOVED 99% of the game. I do replay. I think the ending was Pure Fail, but if others like it, great for them! I can't eat oysters or olives, but that doesn't make olive and oyster lovers idiots.

(Mind you, if I was served a "100% olive-and-oyster-free pancake" that had olives and oysters in it, I would be displeased. Just a side analogy).

Love the ending. Cool.
Hate the ending? Cool.

Can we stop the puerile bleh-bleh-bleh-bleh-bleh-ing, though, really?

Well said Lincoln MuaDib, you took the words out of my mouth.

There are alot of puerile insults being flung around by both sides (by the MORE VOCAL people who either like or dislike the endings - I stress this because not everyone from either viewpoint resort to insults etc) at first I thought it was quite amusing watching people argue and name call but now it is just incredibly depressing and boring!

If people disagree with each other can we not at least try and communicate our differences without resorting to petty insults and generalisations and keep it civil.

[Dezerte]

BentOrgy wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

This isn't about personal insults. This is about the future of gaming, something that's kind of an important part of my life. I know that's pretty deep, but honestly, you're threatening not only the future of this series (which has been given a chance to make all the Retaker's happy again) but the future of gaming in general, as well as the label of a "gamer", and I refuse to sit down and watch as I'm associated with a group of childish, ignorant, unlogical money wasters that would rather spend time crapping on their own money than move the hell on to other things.

Its "Illogical."

Unlogical is a synonym to illogical.

Modifié par Dezman8, 10 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
[snippety-snip]
For using them as a flameshield to promote their own nefarious purposes?

Oh, so it's bad to use Child's Play for ulterior motives?

What if EA does it? Without telling Child's Play?

www.cinemablend.com/games/Child-Play-Responds-EA-DLC-They-Did-Have-Our-Permission-Run-Promotion-41190.html

Or what if

• Blizzard
• Rad Game Tools
• Ventrilo
• HardOCP
• Cerulean Studios
• Microsoft
• Smugmug
• CheapAssGamer
• BAWLS Guarana
• eDimensional
• CCP Games
• SOE
• THQ

And several others

also use Child's Play?
The PAX said nothing about that.
donottrustpennyarcade.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/before-you-go-to-pax.html

Oh, so I guess, in your words, all these companies need to

TheProfessor234 wrote...
Really should just do another donation drive, don't ask for any publicity, give it to Child's Play as an apology

Or do you only have a problem when the Retakers do it?

As far as I know those companies diddnt ask for their money back. Besides it is different, those companies diddnt use the charity as a crowbar to apply pressure and enforce their own will on someone else's company and their product which they have little control over.

[Laurencio]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

This is just getting seriously dumb. All of it is. The whole retakers vs pro-ending folks thing needs to stop.

Pro-ending is not even a substantial or real "thing". It's a construct of the retakers mostly.

Modifié par Laurencio, 10 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[fpspind]

People need to get over it, not meaning to offend. Sure most (or an un-ignorably large portion if not) people disliked how the endings played out BUT they are already developing additional dlc for FREE because they respect us fans. At least hold off campaigning until you can see what the dlc will bring.

[AkiKishi]

Anyone who wants to complain about the endings in whatever manner has my approval, just not my money.

[aberdash]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

For using them as a flameshield to promote their own nefarious purposes? Lets be honest here, most of those in the Retake movement couldnt give a rats arse about the children, they were just a tool to be used to promote their own selfish ideals, in the end while the Retake Movement did raise money for the charity they proved to be more trouble than they were worth as they revealed their true nature and started demanding their money back from the charity when Bioware wasnt taken in by their ruse.

Their own nefarious purposes? You mean all RME supporters are sitting at their chair petting a cat and smoking a cigar planning world domination? It all makes sense now, Mass Effect is only the beginning. You've all been warned.

At least RME has shown more maturity than EA in this.
EA is actually using bots to artificially raise the number of "supporters" of this petition.
www.allout.org/en/actions/theforce

Modifié par aberdash, 10 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[Yuqi]

I just want them to shut-up about it...they're giving sane gamers a bad name..

[aberdash]

Right, because gamers are held in such high esteem. This makes not difference to how the general public views gaming.

Modifié par aberdash, 10 avril 2012 - 11:40 .