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[Escocido]

Krogan Vanguard. Your argument has just been invalidated.

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[synsam]

Rynocerous wrote...

jdi_knght wrote...

How does not-doing-multiplayer send them a message about the ending?

I could see it as a "message" about the following:
-disapproval of GAW MP requirement for SP War Assets
-outrage due to hacks
-anger about lack of latency meter / joining games hosted in other countries
-upset about RNG of rares/etc
-upset about some MP game mechanic
-upset about chat/message functionality
-etc

You'll have to connect the dots for me though when it comes to relating MP to the ending.DLC.

...and just curious as to why you posted this in General instead of the multi-player forum. Wouldn't you have reached more people there?

You're wasting your time utilizing logic on these people. A stick would be better, or perhaps baby-talk.

Or if you're so much better than everyone, get off the thread and get a life

[Suikoden]

daecath wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

What exactly do you want for an ending?

I want an ending that doesn't betray everything about the series, the player, and the character.

I want an ending that doesn't introduce a brand new character in the last 5 minutes that makes no sense.

I want an ending that doesn't replace Commander Shepard with some new character as the hero of the story.

I want an ending that doesn't replace the plot of destroying the reapers with some plot about how you have to resolve this never ending conflict between orgaincs and synthetics (even though you've already proven him wrong).

I want an ending that doesn't break the rules established in the rest of the game.

I want an ending that allows for true success and true failure. Only an emo-teenager would believe that an ending has to be dark and depressing in order to be "artistic", or even realistic. Yes, there will be sacrifices, but why shouldn't you get an uplifting, happy ending if you have put the effort in? After all, as so many often point out, "it's just a game".

I want an ending that doesn't have to try and convince us it's good. I want an ending that doesn't have to try and explain itself. I want an ending that isn't filled with plot-holes and inconsistancies, and doesn't break all its own rules about what this universe can and can't do. Every plot hole, every bit of confusion, every case where some aspect of this universe is apparently ignored - all of that can be traced back to one core element - that the story was abandoned at the last minute, and replaced with something that makes no sense, and has no baring on the plot.

Most importantly, I want an ending of the level of quality we know they're capable of. The level of quality that was present in Tuchunka for instance.

Bioware doesn't want any of that.  And good for them.  

[Tovanus]

beutelmarkus wrote...

daecath wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

What exactly do you want for an ending?

I want an ending that doesn't betray everything about the series, the player, and the character.

I want an ending that doesn't introduce a brand new character in the last 5 minutes that makes no sense.

I want an ending that doesn't replace Commander Shepard with some new character as the hero of the story.

I want an ending that doesn't replace the plot of destroying the reapers with some plot about how you have to resolve this never ending conflict between orgaincs and synthetics (even though you've already proven him wrong).

I want an ending that doesn't break the rules established in the rest of the game.

I want an ending that allows for true success and true failure. Only an emo-teenager would believe that an ending has to be dark and depressing in order to be "artistic", or even realistic. Yes, there will be sacrifices, but why shouldn't you get an uplifting, happy ending if you have put the effort in? After all, as so many often point out, "it's just a game".

I want an ending that doesn't have to try and convince us it's good. I want an ending that doesn't have to try and explain itself. I want an ending that isn't filled with plot-holes and inconsistancies, and doesn't break all its own rules about what this universe can and can't do. Every plot hole, every bit of confusion, every case where some aspect of this universe is apparently ignored - all of that can be traced back to one core element - that the story was abandoned at the last minute, and replaced with something that makes no sense, and has no baring on the plot.

Most importantly, I want an ending of the level of quality we know they're capable of. The level of quality that was present in Tuchunka for instance.

Bioware doesn't want any of that.  And good for them.  

Hm. I can't quite tell whether this post is serious or joking when it says, "And good for them." 

Personally, I enjoyed the multiplayer. But, I also stopped playing it completely. Not because of a boycott call or anything. It's just that there wasn't much content there. It's only horde mode. Once you've played it enough to get the Defender achievement, there's not much reason to continue (and that doesn't take too long).

Some people may want to max things out with gun upgrades and such.... but man, it's pretty clear that EA got their fingers into that one, offering weapon packs for real cash and randomizing the contents to tempt people to 'gamble" over and over again till they get what they want (either with cash or with huge amounts of time in getting the credits for the super rare stuff). Kind of a disgusting effort to milk customers - almost as direspectful to the audience as the ending really. That said though, the multiplayer is fun and worth a whirl. It's hard to imagine it staying popular though. Just..... very little content in it.

[VolusvsReaper]

Stealth3 wrote...

If you hate the ending and what Bioware has done to it and want to send a message regarding the **** slap they just gave you by insulting you even more with "Extended DLC", then stop playing multiplayer or buy any DLCs. 

We need Bioware to applogize twice now.  Once for the ending and once for the insulting extended DLC.  

Their idea of fixing the problem is to fricking extend on it and add more salt to the injury?  How stupid are they? 

This would do nothing...and nobody is going to stop playing MP because you say so.

[AlexMBrennan]

If people really wanted to protest, demand a refund.

I did. Do you want to know where it got me?

Dear [redacted],

Thank you for contacting Electronic Arts.

I appreciate your interest In EA Games. I assure you my support in getting this resolved.

I completely understand that you have issue with game refund. Please allow me to explain that as per our policy, any purchases on origin are full and final. An exchange for a digital download of equal or lesser value may be granted when a customer contacts us within 14 days of purchase.

We are unable to refund the game. I understand how annoying this has been. Trust me,had it been possible,I would have certainly done it for you. Please let me know if you wish to exchange the game with game name that you wish to play instead of mass effect 3.

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Electronic Arts - World Wide Customer Experience

As for the OP, I get that not buying DLC is a good idea, but I don't quite see how not playing MP would harm Bioware.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 10 avril 2012 - 10:08 .

[Blackadderthethird]

Why would anyone want to harm Bioware. I hate the ending of ME3 as much as the next guy. It was a total faceplant, but Bioware make great games and as long as they do that I'll support them. All this nonsens about hitting Bioware where it hurts is just retarded.

[Manton-X2]

Blackadderthethird wrote...

Why would anyone want to harm Bioware. I hate the ending of ME3 as much as the next guy. It was a total faceplant, but Bioware make great games and as long as they do that I'll support them. All this nonsens about hitting Bioware where it hurts is just retarded.

If I had to guess, I'd say a part of it is that some people have a huge problem with people lying to their face, especially if those people lie to your face and then use that lie to get money out of your wallet.  Apparently some people don't mind it all that much.  And some people you could push down a flight of stairs as long as you hand them a lollipop after your done.  *shrug*

Modifié par Manton-X2, 10 avril 2012 - 10:26 .

[Vez04]

Manton-X2 wrote...

Blackadderthethird wrote...

Why would anyone want to harm Bioware. I hate the ending of ME3 as much as the next guy. It was a total faceplant, but Bioware make great games and as long as they do that I'll support them. All this nonsens about hitting Bioware where it hurts is just retarded.

If I had to guess, I'd say a part of it is that some people have a huge problem with people lying to their face, especially if those people lie to your face and then use that lie to get money out of your wallet.  Apparently some people don't mind it all that much.  And some people you could push down a flight of stairs as long as you hand them a lollipop after your done.  *shrug*

Ever heard of ''passionate fans''?

[CroGamer002]

I'm boycotting with my wallet.

So won't buy any DLC's, but I'll play what I can with this game.

I mean, endings are a disaster but it' still a great game.
Why shouldn't I play it? Already payed for it.

[Manton-X2]

Vez04 wrote...


Ever heard of ''passionate fans''?

Yup ... and I'm more inclined to be on their side.  Bioware had ample opportunity to make this right.  And I'm not just talking about DLC or free crap.  I'm talking about actually talking to your customers/fan base instead of talking at them.  If you watched the wind-up after the ending debacle broke, one thing you'll notice is that the more the Bioware/ME3 Team refused to take responsibility for what came out their mouths over the past year (even stuff said when the game was completely finished that turned out to be false), the faster everything went south.

[Manton-X2]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'm boycotting with my wallet.

So won't buy any DLC's, but I'll play what I can with this game.

I mean, endings are a disaster but it' still a great game.
Why shouldn't I play it? Already payed for it.

This is where I am at this point.  I didn't buy "From Ashes" and I don't plan on buying any other DLC or whatever they come up with.  And depending on what the "Extended Cut" looks like, this game may be the last piece of Bioware software I ever buy. 

But I already paid my $70.  MP is the only thing right now that makes me feel like I didn't just lightmy money on fire and flush it.

[Arcadian Legend]

No thanks. Not to side with the pro ending folks but I'm getting fed up with retakers telling me what to do.

[Laurencio]

I like Multiplayer =/

Plus not even giving the DLC a change and simply dismissing it without any knowledge of what it does or what it contains does not make sense.

[The_Shootist]

Juromaro wrote...

What exactly do you want for an ending?

Have you ever read Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Greek Myth, CS Lewis (Narnia), JRR Tolkein (LOTR), Stephen R Donaldson (Thomas Covenant), Anne MacCaffry (Dragonriders of Pern), Joe Shuster/Jerry Siegel (Superman), or Bob Kane (Batman)?

Archtype Heroes (and Shep is nothing, if not an Archtype) don't often die, they overcome. They may be changed beyond measure, but as Bilbo says, "he lived happily ever after until the ends of his days, and they were extraordinarily long".

Modifié par The_Shootist, 10 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[AlanC9]

The_Shootist wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

What exactly do you want for an ending?

Have you ever read Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Greek Myth, CS Lewis (Narnia), JRR Tolkein (LOTR), Stephen R Donaldson (Thomas Covenant), Anne MacCaffry (Dragonriders of Pern), Joe Shuster/Jerry Siegel (Superman), or Bob Kane (Batman)?

Archtype Heroes (and Shep is nothing, if not an Archtype) don't often die, they overcome. They may be changed beyond measure, but as Bilbo says, "he lived happily ever after until the ends of his days, and they were extraordinarily long".

Not a great list. Beowulf dies. Covenant dies. Everyone in the Narnia books dies (although I believe Caspian and Susan live out their natural spans, most don't). And comic books don't count  when they haven't ended yet.

Come to think of it, Superman did die once, or several times if the Earth-2 Superman, the Time Trapper's alternate Superboy, and so on are counted

Edit: whoops! Susan's actually alive at the end of The Last Battle. However, this is considered to be a failure.

Modifié par AlanC9, 10 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[Sweddington1]

I've been following the retake Mass Effect movement for a bit. I've played games from Bioware for a long time (back then, I didn't know Baldur's Gate was Bioware, and I still don't understand the relationship between Black Isle Studios/Obsidian/etc), and I've generally been happy. Dragon Age: Origins was great, and the best game they have produced since Baldur's Gate.

Mass Effect 3 was great in many ways. In fact, the ending was okay (certainly better than KOTR 2). However, I don't see how you can expect them to really (meaning, really) change the ending. Look at this post from their site announcing the new DLC for the ending:

"So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding."

Translated: We understand that you are mad. Too bad, we're not changing it. We'll give you a movie if that will make you happy, but as for an appreciable change to the ending that has you up in arms, no deal.

It's sort of like the whole indoctrination theory. You can read between the lines as much as you like, but, in the end, it is what it is. It's black and white, officially posted, signed and sealed on their site.

[macrocarl]

MP is awesome and let's just wait and see how the free SP DLC pans out. I'm betting on awesome.

[macrocarl]

'Have you ever read Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Greek Myth, CS Lewis (Narnia), JRR Tolkein (LOTR), Stephen R Donaldson (Thomas Covenant), Anne MacCaffry (Dragonriders of Pern), Joe Shuster/Jerry Siegel (Superman), or Bob Kane (Batman)?'

Not to mention ol' Gilgamesh doesn't die per se, but is torn down mentally by the loss of his best friend/ lover...... which is spiritual death/ rebirth, Greek Myths have so much death and transformation it's silly at times, and I'm too old to care about 'Dragonriders of Pern'. Sorry.
Death and rebirth is technically is in all 3 of the endings for ME3.

Edit: for wall of text-almost:P

Modifié par macrocarl, 10 avril 2012 - 02:49 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Way ahead of you. I didn't buy the game.

[happy_daiz]

I'm not sure I understand the argument. Stop playing multiplayer, and...? What? To play MP, you have to have bought the game, which means BioWare already has your money. Whether or not you actually play it is not important. OP, your argument doesn't make sense.

Besides, the MP is great in ME3. It's one thing BW did really well.

[Wynteryth]

Juromaro wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

What exactly do you want for an ending?

Apparently what he was promised.

I know if I was promised what the ending would consist of, I'd complain about nobody screaming "spoiler alert" beforehand...

But what were we promised?


I get that alot of people don't like the endings and they want them changed.....but changed to what? What ending would they be happy with?

They promised 16 erndings.. There weren't 16 ending.  
They promised that there wouldn't be "A,B"and C" endings and that is what we got.  

Take a look through some of the complaint threads and you'll see quotes from interviews with Hudson and others that clearly state what the ending won't be..  Yet it's exactly what they gave in their product. 

[Cadence of the Planes]

GdawgTuk wrote...

You can spray paint S*** gold, but it's still S***.

If people really wanted to protest, demand a refund.

Ooh, good one-liner about colors.

Here's another one: You can keep crying, but your tears are going to remain colorless.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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