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The Legend of Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link It was a side scrolling Zelda game and not possible (for me) to even get to 3rd castle. If you know anyone that has ever finished that game, give that person a medal.


I tried that for a little bit. It's pretty brutal; from how AVGN/James Rolfe described it, the last sections get impossibly difficult. Dark Link is an infamously frustrating battle.

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I don't recall that it was Ninja Gaidan or this:

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and also this:

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Were difficult Sega games (haven't played them for 14 years)

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Shinobi III is pretty hard. The final part is environmentally complicated, lots of platforming with electricity and spikes. The final boss is downright brutal. It sort of plays out like a mindf--- a la Earthbound's Giygas. If I remember right, he's got several battle phases as well.

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@ereoru

I am not familiar with the level up mechanic of this game. it is confusing. But i learn in time.

It is fine for the first 5 level, but after level 5 the game become extremely hard.

How come no need to buy anything? My armor and weapon broken hell lot after few battle. Even if block with weapon/shield still take damage, and enemy give damage a lot. For sure must buy spells and potions. There is no own-made healing potion as far as i know.

What i do for money is loot the guilds, once become a member i loot everything in the guilds and sell them. But still not enough to learn and upgrade skill/spells.

I don't know how you can say this game is easy, i don't know what mod you install or you just boasting.

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I don't want to install any mods for now, just want to beat the vanilla first.

I am not into spell spamming game-play, but more to warrior-type with some magic. But the game force me to make an all rounder character.

Enchanting need to trap soul, that is the idea i find so evilish, so i don't want enchanting. I reject enchanting at all. But i use any enchanted weapons/armor i found, and never recharge. because i just don't like the idea of trap soul.

I am bad with math, so don't bother with the numbers lols but thanks anyway.

Now my character at level 5 and have become a vampire somehow, lols, and her face become like an old guy, so ugly! I don't know if i want to continue playing her. maybe i create a new one. I manage to bloodsucking two victims, and about to meet the Count at Skingard (do i spell it right?)

And maybe i will follow some of  your advice, maybe Battlemage or Sorcerer? Nightblade sound cool.

Edit : maybe Witch Hunter.....




If you want the game to be more easy, you should make a custom class (adventurer). Or simply slide the difficulty bar lower under options.

But well, it's true - I didn't have any problems whatsoever in vanilla, out-of-the-box Oblivion. Once you get the simple system behind it, everything is as easy as hell. Frankly, you've never played a harder game before??

About the money - that's mostly from loots. Like, kill the generic guys in your way, take only stuff that's valuable (cost divided by weight - the superior number is what you will carry), and find a good vendor that has a good disposition with you.

I reached level 25 or something, and it does get a bit more tedious later on. Not difficult, as the encounters are really not so smart - but tedious (you have to wait for your spell to recharge etc).

The fartherst I've gone with a pure-warrior Redguard is until level 18. And I didn't even optimize him (didn't get 5 points in all level-up abilities). Was even more tedious. Not difficult though - never needed to think anything through farther than the simple swing-and-parry.

The levelling system is nothing difficult. If I remember correctly, you need ten skill-points in total to any skills that are your majors, in order to advance a level. You know, if you have a major in a long sword, just swing your sword from say 20 --> 30, and you've got your level. But that gives you five points only in Strength (or whatever the governing ability is). And, if you wear light armor at the time, and achieve ten level ups for that as well, you'll also get 5 to Agility. Thus, you need to make your build and strategy so as to level up via only one major skill, and do at least ten points in two others (e.g. Light Armor and Rejuvenation).

So you must choose majors and tactics that don't conflict with each other, i.e. if you've a major in Heavy Armor and Long Swords, you needen't battle with both of them, lest you get less ability points on the level up. Just equip some other type of armor than your major, in the time where you fight by sword - the specialized skill doesn't give anything else than a faster progress by time, it doesn't give actual progress (which is only achieved with mainly getting more points to levelling up or being smart with spells equipment and such).

I.e. you'll get weaker in relation to foes only if you get less points when levelling up.

About the vampire thing - you've contracted the disease when touching vampires (in fights). Once you've contracted it (it says so if that's the case), you'll need to take a cure disease spell/potion in the time-span of one day, in order to get it fixed. If you're late with that, you only have one option to revert to your former self. That comes in a (later?) quest - you can really just google up any info on this (and the game in general - like where to find the best equipment etc).

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DominusVita wrote...

The Legend of Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link It was a side scrolling Zelda game and not possible (for me) to even get to 3rd castle. If you know anyone that has ever finished that game, give that person a medal.


I tried that for a little bit. It's pretty brutal; from how AVGN/James Rolfe described it, the last sections get impossibly difficult. Dark Link is an infamously frustrating battle.


Eesh, don't remind me.

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Sonic 2

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The Flintstones on Amstrad CPC - If anyone can paint that damn room in time i'd love to meet them.

Knightmare on Amstrad CPC - I could ever even get past the third screen.

Back To The Future III on Sega Mega Drive/Genesis i recall being stupidly hard too.

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Nizaris1 wrote...


@naughty99

I don't want to install any mods for now, just want to beat the vanilla first.

I am not into spell spamming game-play, but more to warrior-type with some magic. But the game force me to make an all rounder character.

Enchanting need to trap soul, that is the idea i find so evilish, so i don't want enchanting. I reject enchanting at all. But i use any enchanted weapons/armor i found, and never recharge. because i just don't like the idea of trap soul.

I am bad with math, so don't bother with the numbers lols but thanks anyway.

Now my character at level 5 and have become a vampire somehow, lols, and her face become like an old guy, so ugly! I don't know if i want to continue playing her. maybe i create a new one. I manage to bloodsucking two victims, and about to meet the Count at Skingard (do i spell it right?)

And maybe i will follow some of  your advice, maybe Battlemage or Sorcerer? Nightblade sound cool.

Edit : maybe Witch Hunter.....


Well, you might want to install one very tiny mod called "Vampire Aging Disabled" it's very small, doesn't do anything at all to the game except make it so your face doesn't look like an old man when you become a vampire.

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QWOP. That game is evil. I think my best attempt was about -0.5 metres.

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I played this one a lot as a kid - but I don't think I ever got even halfway through it, it's so punishingly difficult.

Also - DA:O was hard? How so? :huh:

Modifié par greengoron89, 11 avril 2012 - 12:12 .


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Also - DA:O was hard? How so? :huh:


DA:O is hard the first time around if you know nothing about how it works (i.e. haven't played any of the old RPGs like it's "spiritual" predecessor). My first game, I knew nothing about the almighty power of mages for CC and stuff like dexterity reducing attacks. I was using the command console constantly on a couple fights, most notably with Flemeth and with the archdemon. The second time through though was a breeze.


And as for hard games, I think Hammer and Sickle is pretty far up there. On the normal difficulty you can't save during combat (it's turn-based) and your companions can die, so one well placed snipe from an enemy can kill off your companion for the entire game. So you have to hide in cover and stuff...but when you pop out of cover, there's a chance that they can interrupt your action and kill the squadmate anyway.

Still possibly the best game ever though.

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I played this one a lot as a kid - but I don't think I ever got even halfway through it, it's so punishingly difficult.

Why the heck have I never heard of this game?

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Beatmania IIDX. The Ninja Gaiden of Music Games.



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For me probably Ninja Gaiden

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Also - DA:O was hard? How so? :huh:


DA:O is hard the first time around if you know nothing about how it works (i.e. haven't played any of the old RPGs like it's "spiritual" predecessor). My first game, I knew nothing about the almighty power of mages for CC and stuff like dexterity reducing attacks. I was using the command console constantly on a couple fights, most notably with Flemeth and with the archdemon. The second time through though was a breeze.


Hmm, I was already a seasoned KOTOR veteran going into DA:O -  perhaps that's why I was able to grasp the combat system in DA:O more easily, as the two games have very similar combat.

@jreezy - I don't think that game was very popular, and I don't personally know anyone else who has played it other than myself.

I'd also like to nominate one other game:

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Another punishingly difficult game that I don't think I got even halfway through - abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

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Well, you might want to install one very tiny mod called "Vampire Aging Disabled" it's very small, doesn't do anything at all to the game except make it so your face doesn't look like an old man when you become a vampire.


There is a mod for that? lols thanks

At first, i was confused, when my character sleep, there is a pop up about telling what happen, but i guess a vampire bite her, then i find out her strength boast, but her face changed into an old man, i just...what the hell? lols Then i find out she can't be outside building when in a day. Then i get it she have become a vampire. Then i just try to feed a sleeping mage in the mage guild, then she got vampirism with a lot of active attributes, some of them are cool though. Then i feed on an elf woman in fighter guild. After that i feel my character have become an evil, i stop playing.

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If you want the game to be more easy, you should make a custom class (adventurer). Or simply slide the difficulty bar lower under options.

But well, it's true - I didn't have any problems whatsoever in vanilla, out-of-the-box Oblivion. Once you get the simple system behind it, everything is as easy as hell. Frankly, you've never played a harder game before??

About the money - that's mostly from loots. Like, kill the generic guys in your way, take only stuff that's valuable (cost divided by weight - the superior number is what you will carry), and find a good vendor that has a good disposition with you.

I reached level 25 or something, and it does get a bit more tedious later on. Not difficult, as the encounters are really not so smart - but tedious (you have to wait for your spell to recharge etc).

The fartherst I've gone with a pure-warrior Redguard is until level 18. And I didn't even optimize him (didn't get 5 points in all level-up abilities). Was even more tedious. Not difficult though - never needed to think anything through farther than the simple swing-and-parry.

The levelling system is nothing difficult. If I remember correctly, you need ten skill-points in total to any skills that are your majors, in order to advance a level. You know, if you have a major in a long sword, just swing your sword from say 20 --> 30, and you've got your level. But that gives you five points only in Strength (or whatever the governing ability is). And, if you wear light armor at the time, and achieve ten level ups for that as well, you'll also get 5 to Agility. Thus, you need to make your build and strategy so as to level up via only one major skill, and do at least ten points in two others (e.g. Light Armor and Rejuvenation).

So you must choose majors and tactics that don't conflict with each other, i.e. if you've a major in Heavy Armor and Long Swords, you needen't battle with both of them, lest you get less ability points on the level up. Just equip some other type of armor than your major, in the time where you fight by sword - the specialized skill doesn't give anything else than a faster progress by time, it doesn't give actual progress (which is only achieved with mainly getting more points to levelling up or being smart with spells equipment and such).

I.e. you'll get weaker in relation to foes only if you get less points when levelling up.

About the vampire thing - you've contracted the disease when touching vampires (in fights). Once you've contracted it (it says so if that's the case), you'll need to take a cure disease spell/potion in the time-span of one day, in order to get it fixed. If you're late with that, you only have one option to revert to your former self. That comes in a (later?) quest - you can really just google up any info on this (and the game in general - like where to find the best equipment etc).


Thanks for the advices

Yes it is confusing. In my early try and error character that is a Imperial-Warrior-Knight and Imperial-Warrior-Warrior, i find out my character always got +5 for Strength, Speed and Endurance. But when i play breton-Warrior-Spellsword, she don't get like that. Mostly +2 or +3 for all attributes. But she is more resilient than the other two class because of Protect, Defense and Magic Resistance.

I also try Nightblade, but i find out her Athletic and Acrobatic do not upgraded as fast as i play heavy armored character. But she is fast though.

The last one i try Witch Hunter, totally bad overall :-(

Yes there is a quest for a cure, but i just don't want to play it anymore.

I don't know if there is actually hard game, all other games i play normal difficulties. There is no hard game for me. But Oblivion is hard and confusing.

let see, if i choose Knight Specialization, i don't want to use Blunt Weapon, and i don't want Hand to hand, so these two will be wasted. even if i train my character to use Blunt and Hand to Hand, it will be wasting time and effort. i will sure using blade weapon, my favorite. So two major talent is wasted there.

But when i choose Spellsword, my character is not as good as a Knight or Warrior in combat, she is more resilient but not a good melee fighter due to low Strength. Although all major talents are used and not wasted, but she is not good in any.

Oh yeah, i just learned a trick, to fast level up block, armor and Restoration is by letting the crazy rat attack me, lols they are so fast and crazy lols This is one thing i found funny in this game, that is to upgrade armor is by get hit, who want to get hit??? If use block, armor not upgraded. Yes there are trainers, but this kind of mechanic is absurd.

Edit : Maybe i should try Breton-Warrior-Knight and see how she go....or just forget it...i like Breton because of the 50% resist magic and 50% resist physical once a day power. But i also like the feeling an Imperial.... :( i don't like others...Red Guard maybe, but just don't have the feeling playing Red Guard...Orc, Khajit and Elves will be never...

Modifié par Nizaris1, 11 avril 2012 - 03:12 .


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I played this one a lot as a kid - but I don't think I ever got even halfway through it, it's so punishingly difficult.

Also - DA:O was hard? How so? :huh:


This was one of my favorite games growing up.i beat it three times i believe it took time and a whole lot of anger to get through it but once i did.it was totaly worth it

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Uinen03 wrote...

Oh... And has anyone actually landed the damn plane in Top Gun? :pD


Once. Just once. Holy crap was that frustrating. -_-



I landed on the carrier twice! But that's about it.

Deadly Towers on the Nintendo Entertainment System was horribly bad to the extent that the game was actually difficult.

Recently, playing the Uesugi campaign on Shogun 2:Total War (on Hard difficulty or greater) has had me pulling my hair out. It's doable on Normal mode, but damn...Hard mode means hard!

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vometia wrote...

QWOP. That game is evil. I think my best attempt was about -0.5 metres.

 
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This.  Link here.

All other game are 'easy mode' in comparison.

Modifié par mousestalker, 11 avril 2012 - 03:33 .


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Arx Fatalis - Spiritual Successor to Ultima Underworld. The enemies weren't just tough. There were traps too and no quest markers to help you with quests. Combine that with some tough puzzles and the game was rather hard. Basically, enemies weren't just hard so were the quests but it's ultimately a rewarding game.

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DominusVita wrote...

The Legend of Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link It was a side scrolling Zelda game and not possible (for me) to even get to 3rd castle. If you know anyone that has ever finished that game, give that person a medal.


I tried that for a little bit. It's pretty brutal; from how AVGN/James Rolfe described it, the last sections get impossibly difficult. Dark Link is an infamously frustrating battle.


I remember the Dark Link battle being agonizing when the game first came out, but I did manage to triumph. Years later, when I got a Wii and downloaded the game from the Virtual Console (so I didn't have to finagle the cartridge just so in my old NES), that battle somehow became the most horrible of horrors. I am sure I ran completely through my personal collection of curses and epitaphs in the process of the numerous reloads (and while the battle itself was bad, navigating back to that room after reloading was enough to make you cry).

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mousestalker wrote...

vometia wrote...

QWOP. That game is evil. I think my best attempt was about -0.5 metres.

 
  ^
This.  Link here.

All other game are 'easy mode' in comparison.


26.8 metres is best i could do. It took forever XD

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the start of oblivion with difficulty on full is impossible.

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Nizaris1 wrote...

Thanks for the advices

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You're welcome. And I didn't mean to boast or anything - it's just a bit surprising to hear a game is difficult when all there is is swinging a sword or spell in some order. :)

But the enemies do have too high a health and so forth. And sliding the difficulty to higher will be super frustrating at a point. It can tire one out quickly enough. 

Those happenings with your vampire sound interesting, in fact. :)
And if you've got the disease, nothing else you can do but suck blood - it's an necessity. If you play a good character, he or she can rationalize it for a temporary thing - that it's necessary until you find a cure. He'll not be evil then. :)

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I just try to make the custom class lols, i don't know to make it before. It is because there is no "Next" option but instead "Ok", so at first i thought when i select "Combat" then click "Ok" the custom class is "Combat" lols, just yesterday i dare to click "Ok" then from there i can customize everything, i just make my epic face palm

So, my "Adventurer" class is

Strength
Endurance

Acrobatic
Armorer/Athletic
Marksman
Blade
Block
Heavy Armor/Light Armor
Speechcraft/Armorer

This is the Knight i want...

Ah, whatever

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