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[Wynne]

 I hope you're right, OP. Gamble's comments from way back when stuck in my head, too. I have to believe he said those things for a reason. 

I don't think the Extended Cut DLC is a response, not completely. I think they always planned more. And I definitely hope it will either turn out to be IT or, if nothing else, IT-friendly.

[Marta Rio II]

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

Marta Rio II wrote...

From the OP: "If this is the case, how could you have alluded to that just two days after the game's release?"

I've been following the whole ending controversy since before the release.  Yes, I said before because ME3's endings were leaked about a week before the release.  I'm not talking about the leaked script from the beta, I'm talking about the actual endings.  There was a poster called "In it for the Tank" on the Something Awful forums (I think he was a ME3 playtester), who leaked the ending, plus there was a poster called Xoisite on the BSN who confirmed "Tank's" leak after playing through an early "Space Edition" copy multiple times.  (Xoisite signed a non-disclosure agreement to get the copy, but he broke it.)

People who spoiled themselves by reading Tank and Xoisite's posts were up in arms a week before the game came out.  Hence the update of the BSN's site rules and code of conduct on March 2.  Bioware saw they were already in the beginning of a ****-storm, and they knew as soon as people began finishing the game they would be pissed as well. 

I'm guessing what happened is that they saw the start of the backlash a week before the release, and thought, "maybe we should start planning for the fallout."  (It's possible, they may have even been able to predict the fan outrage themselves, and thus had a contingency plan in place in case it was as bad as they predicted.)  There were likely some talks within Bioware about what to do to appease the tsunami of angry fans that was on its way, and Gamble's March 8 tweet possibly reflects those initial internal discussions.

So anyway, TLDR: Due to leaks, a large number of people were pissed about the endings a week before the release.  This is probably when the first talks occurred within Bioware regarding doing something to appease the fans...Gamble's tweet just reflects those initial talks, not that the Extended Cut was in the works for a long time.

That would explain the post titled "It's all about the journey" or something like that in BioWare's blog some days before release. I didn't know what it was talking about then but now I see it was a rather fitting title.

Yep, that whole blog post was in response to the growing ****-storm.  Due to the leaks, they had a heads up about what was to come, and thus were in damage control mode even before the release.

[Kushan101]

KillerHappyFace wrote...


Some days I feel like abandoning Bioware forever (melodramatic, I know) due to this lost cause; on others I firmly believe in IDT; sometimes I believe IDT is wrong, but the EC has potential.

It sounds sad, but this complete indecisiveness has affected my daily routine slightly. It's been a little difficult to focus on my coursework at times.

You sir, are a man after my own heart. The only thing I can think of that has affected my routine in this way is splitting with previous two girlfriends. Glad I'm not the only one who needs psychiatric help

[Aurvant]

Bill Casey wrote...

I wonder if the next story Buzz Aldrin tells that kid will also contain rampant swearing, unspeakable body horror abominations and hot human on alien sex...

Annnnd Stargazer has just been made the creepiest character in the entire series.

"What was Aria's only rule on Omega again, grandpa?"

"DON'T **** WITH ARIA"

"Tell me another story, grandpa"

[Noelemahc]

Aurvant wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I wonder if the next story Buzz Aldrin tells that kid will also contain rampant swearing, unspeakable body horror abominations and hot human on alien sex...

Annnnd Stargazer has just been made the creepiest character in the entire series.

"What was Aria's only rule on Omega again, grandpa?"

"DON'T **** WITH ARIA"

"Tell me another story, grandpa"

The addition of the Stargazer scene would explain why everyone suddenly stops swearing in ME3 after spewing filthy words left and right throughout ME2 =)

I would imagine it actually went the Princess Bride way ("Grandpa! They're kissing again! You said this isn't a kissing book!") or the How I Met Your Mother Way ("You have to forget about that grinch." "YOU CALLED ME A GRINCH?!" -- Voiceover: "Of course, I didn't actually say "grinch", kids.")

[Jayleia]

I believe that the endings were what they intended. And that they were genuinely surprised that we thought it was...suboptimal.

As evidence, I cite the bizarre Kai Leng fight on Thessia, and the pointless jump in a turret event on Earth

[Railarian]

 FYI my sig has another quote from Mr. Gamble he made one week before launch.http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

[Sesshaku]

This is all too weird....im starting to hate it ¬¬.

On the other hand, i would hope that the original tweet about holding ME3 copy wasn't intended because they're making an Omega DLC and some Multiplayer DLC's, because i don't care how many of those they throw, i won't buy them until a decent ending.

Railarian wrote...

 FYI my sig has another quote from Mr. Gamble he made one week before launch.http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

GRRRRRR....don't even remind me that interview.....it remind us that:
a) We're right.
Either they lied to us, they're crazy, or we haven't seen the ending.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 10 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[Fail_Inc]

Well shadowninja there is only one answer...

LOTSA SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE1!!11

[ShadowNinja1129]

Sesshaku wrote...

This is all too weird....im starting to hate it ¬¬.

On the other hand, i would hope that the original tweet about holding ME3 copy wasn't intended because they're making an Omega DLC and some Multiplayer DLC's, because i don't care how many of those they throw, i won't buy them until a decent ending.

In my mind, that kind of hyperbole is only used by someone (even someone whos excited and biased) when something HUGE is coming. So I agree, I don't want to believe that Mr. Gamble believes that a Take back Omega (or some other kind of) DLC is the defining reason why you should keep your copy of Mass Effect 3 as a family heirloom, share it with your great grandchildren, and have it frozen in carbonite and buried with you in a super-secret dungeon laiden with Indiana Jones style traps and an ancient black magic curse to protect it.

Yeah, see, I can exaggerate too XD

[ShadowNinja1129]

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

Well, the thing with this is that anything can be used to support any stance we decide to take.

Because he didn't confirm or deny the IDT, people who support it will say it's true and those that don't will say that it's probably hogwash. And both groups would be using the same quote as their basis. The same applies to practically any other statement. If I wanted to believe that the ending DLC was planned before release, then I can definitely hold the "we're reprioritizing the DLC schedule" as proof. Same if I wanted to believe it wasn't planned at all.

I have the feeling this will go on and on until the EC DLC is released. Way to go.

Exactly, this is the problem that broad and contradictory statements have made, and is exactly why I made this post to seek clarification.

This human understands!

[Pain Train]

All Dead wrote...

They just seem to be making things up as they go along at this point.

^  This!

[goose2989]

I have seriously considered the possibility of not getting a straight answer, even after the Extended Cut releases

[ElSuperGecko]

oblique9 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I think we're all getting pwned.

But the stargazer... Damn stargazer scene KILLS, absolutely DESTROYS any hope that this was IT...

I so badly want someone to give me evidence that the Stargazer DOES NOT damn Shep/Crew/Galaxy to the ending they got...

Two indistinct, humanoid figures have a conversation about what seems to be an ancient historical figure known as "The Shepard".

We don't know what planet they're on.  We don't know the time period.  We don't even know if they're human.

Are they descendants of the Normandy survivors?  Unlikely - the survivors were too few to sustain a viable gene pool.

A completely seperate and alien race?  Sharing stories found in one of Liara's time capsules?  Maybe.  Who knows.

The Stargazer epilogue is very vague, too vague to be concrete evidence for or against anything.  The only thing we can take from it with any certainty is it's literal message - there are more stories left to tell.

[Gill Kaiser]

It's just PR, PR, PR all the way down at this point. I feel like we're being "handled" by politicians rather than real people who care about their fanbase.

[ShadowNinja1129]

Marta Rio II wrote...

*snip, many interesting words, go read them you bum!*

So anyway, TLDR: Due to leaks, a large number of people were pissed about the endings a week before the release.  This is probably when the first talks occurred within Bioware regarding doing something to appease the fans...Gamble's tweet just reflects those initial talks, not that the Extended Cut was in the works for a long time.

Hmm, interesting. I was not aware of this. In light of this evidence it is perfectly possible then. Still, a week is a pretty short amount of time to seriously begin considering redoing or extending your work (compared to having worked on the game for like two years). I can believe a large amount of people were angry, but I imagine most of the player base had tried to avoid spoilers (like me), so the amount of angry people would only be a fraction of what we see now.

Maybe they did take it as a warning sign and began hunkering down, as you pointed out with their blog post talking about how "it's about the journey" and all that. Honestly you would know better than I. Was the pre-release backlash really that strong?

Also, a little off topic, but wanted to seek some clarification about the story leak in November, and you seem like someone who might've been tuned in to it when it happened (or was around at least). I've seen a lot of conflicting information based around the script leak in November. some folks claimed that the scrpit leaked in November had an ending centered around the whole "dark energy" plot that Drew originally had planned, and that people complained about it and got it changed.

Now I went and downloaded a text file that contained the leaked script. It was a royal mess. I skimmed through it and recognized most of the dialogue, but it was all in a random order and I got tired of parsing through it trying to find the ending dialogue. However, from what I could tell, the leak in November contained the current ending, crucible, starchild, everything. So are those people full of it? I haven't seen anything definitive and I'm too lazy to go through all that random text, but from what I did read I was pretty sure the leaked November script was near identical to the game, including the ending.

[MaximizedAction]

Ah, it's one of those threads again. I love them, they get my hopes up again.
But I sense the speculatin' seem to be toning down a bit, so allow me to get them going again with the help of my, to this point most favorite of all random-interview-infobits:

 www.youtube.com/watch

Have fun .


EDIT: this is random, and probably does not mean anything at all.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 10 avril 2012 - 10:59 .

[jasonxxsatanna]

I think BW already had the extended cut planned from the get go . . . with the leaked script they tried to plan something special or different by being very vague with the ending . . . but fan back lash caused them to move it up the DLC,

If the endings are just what they are why would . . .
1. BW not just say red ending means this blue is this green is this. . .(when fans ask)
2. No one at BW give a full out direct answer to the most simple questions on the endings
3. the game tell you to look out for DLC to further the story? ( at the closing credits)
4. Casey stated the above , that there is more Shep to come for ME3 in DLC
5. there be time restraints on the ending. . . why not just edited where Shep and Anderson are looking out the window committing that they did it . . . why add the segments afterward with the star-child. . . ( If they ran short on time)
These are just a few things that would lead you to believe that there is more to come and the ending has more to it. . .that BW had this planned from a point before fans reacted to the endings

[PoisonMushroom]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

oblique9 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I think we're all getting pwned.

But the stargazer... Damn stargazer scene KILLS, absolutely DESTROYS any hope that this was IT...

I so badly want someone to give me evidence that the Stargazer DOES NOT damn Shep/Crew/Galaxy to the ending they got...

Two indistinct, humanoid figures have a conversation about what seems to be an ancient historical figure known as "The Shepard".

We don't know what planet they're on.  We don't know the time period.  We don't even know if they're human.

Are they descendants of the Normandy survivors?  Unlikely - the survivors were too few to sustain a viable gene pool.

A completely seperate and alien race?  Sharing stories found in one of Liara's time capsules?  Maybe.  Who knows.

The Stargazer epilogue is very vague, too vague to be concrete evidence for or against anything.  The only thing we can take from it with any certainty is it's literal message - there are more stories left to tell.

Agreed. The Stargazer hasn't ever bothered me for this reason. I got the impression they were there a) for DLC to make sense of the fact that you can continue playing.

On the list of problems with the ending, this is pretty low down.

[ShadowNinja1129]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ah, it's one of those threads again. I love them, they get my hopes up again.
But I sense the speculatin' seem to be toning down a bit, so allow me to get them going again with the help of my, to this point most favorite of all random-interview-infobits:

 www.youtube.com/watch

Have fun .


EDIT: this is random, and probably does not mean anything at all.

"I can tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Duuhhh . . . WAAAAAHHH? XD

Modifié par ShadowNinja1129, 10 avril 2012 - 11:43 .

[PoisonMushroom]

ShadowNinja1129 wrote...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Duuhhh . . . WAAAAAHHH? XD

I think he says "I CAN tell you that..." not 100% sure though.

[MaximizedAction]

ShadowNinja1129 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ah, it's one of those threads again. I love them, they get my hopes up again.
But I sense the speculatin' seem to be toning down a bit, so allow me to get them going again with the help of my, to this point most favorite of all random-interview-infobits:

 www.youtube.com/watch

Have fun .


EDIT: this is random, and probably does not mean anything at all.

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Duuhhh . . . WAAAAAHHH? XD

As I wrote, it's my fav since this statement comes from none of the major intrigue makers (Gamble, Merizan). But it also comes from pretty early. Even before all leaks, speculations about when the EC actually was started.
Therefore also, "it doesn't have to mean anything".

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 10 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[killnoob]

i don't think we should be taking his remarks that seriously...this is just the usual "get your hope up" style of talks. they have been doing this kind of stuffs before launching the game,  nothing new really. i thought everyone should have known this by now...

Modifié par killnoob, 10 avril 2012 - 11:43 .

[ShadowNinja1129]

PoisonMushroom wrote...

ShadowNinja1129 wrote...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Duuhhh . . . WAAAAAHHH? XD

I think he says "I CAN tell you that..." not 100% sure though.

Corrected. I think you're right. It didn't help that the video decided that playing some ME music really loud was a good idea right then . . . regardless, interesting statements nonetheless.

[KillerHappyFace]

ShadowNinja1129 wrote...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Duuhhh . . . WAAAAAHHH? XD

I wouldn't really read too much into that. It WAS 3/4 of a year ago. That was likely before time constraints began to make a mess of things. Also, if Bioware is correct and they didn't expect to have to change the ending, this statement was completely true at the time.

Something else that's relevant to this discussion:

A few weeks ago I started a thread that discussed when the final cinematics were rendered during development. It's located here -- http://social.biowar.../index/10372877

In short, the pre-rendered ending cinematics had soldiers using the outdated ME2 Avenger Assault Rifle, with the eyepeice and all. This version was last seen in the promo material around last October. It is also the only pre-rendered cinematic in the game that shows these; other cinematics like "Hammer Lands" use the updated ME3 version. Therefore, it is possible that the ending cinematics were finalized sometime last fall, or even before.

It doesn't really mean anything about whether an extended cut was planned, but it does kind of weaken any argument about time constraints adversely affecting the end. Its also interesting to imagine that the space magic we got was sitting, finished, in the Bioware office for at least 6 months. And no-one bothered to proofread it.

This could mean that either: A) they were planning the extended cut for a very long time, or they thought the endings were 'good enough' from rendering to release.

Modifié par KillerHappyFace, 11 avril 2012 - 12:01 .