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[Lookout1390]

Once again, I have no reason to believe anything over Twitter.

Worst forms of media ever invented.

From now on, I just want press-statements. Like that punch to the balls last friday.

[Zuka999]

Unless they just straight up say "IT is not true", its still my headcanon. They refuse to comment on it positively or negatively, so I'm just assuming they will do something with what little beacon of hope we gave them.

[moonlightwolf]

My guess there was definitely some ending related DLC on the cards from the beginning (why else would you have such a flimsy abiguous ending.) Of course originally they planned to charge for it but fan fallout made such a notion impossible.

[Oldbones2]

OP, I don't see how one more obvious ass covering lie from Bioware makes things any different than they were before.

[ShadowNinja1129]

KillerHappyFace wrote...

In short, the pre-rendered ending cinematics had soldiers using the outdated ME2 Avenger Assault Rifle, with the eyepeice and all. This version was last seen in the promo material around last October. It is also the only pre-rendered cinematic in the game that shows these; other cinematics like "Hammer Lands" use the updated ME3 version. Therefore, it is possible that the ending cinematics were finalized sometime last fall, or even before.

It doesn't really mean anything about whether an extended cut was planned, but it does kind of weaken any argument about time constraints adversely affecting the end. Its also interesting to imagine that the space magic we got was sitting, finished, in the Bioware office for at least 6 months. And no-one bothered to proofread it.

This could mean that either: A) they were planning the extended cut for a very long time, or they thought the endings were 'good enough' from rendering to release.

(ShadowNinja1129 notes: emphasis mine)

Interesting. Good catch, that is weirdly specific to see the old rifle in some of the ending cinematics and the new rifle in everything else. It does imply that they've had the endings at least rendered as cinematics for quite some time.

[Deemz]

Honestly, I think all that talk about holding on to your save games is about ME4 or whatever they are going to call it.

[KillerHappyFace]

Deemz wrote...

Honestly, I think all that talk about holding on to your save games is about ME4 or whatever they are going to call it.

I doubt it. This is the end of Shepard's story, as they've said time and time again. And this time I'm inclined to believe them. If any sequels are made, they will either be far-future (so that details can be fuzzy) or they will choose a canon gamestate like Fallout does, probably the one in the Mass Effect movies.

To import any choices from ME3 -- even just the really major ones-- would make the next game incomprehensibly complex.

[Aanlen]

I'm hopin beyond hope that what the early tweets said hold truth to them.

[Mcfly616]

Bill Casey wrote...

I wonder if the next story Buzz Aldrin tells that kid will also contain rampant swearing, unspeakable body horror abominations and hot human on alien sex...

That's the first thing I thought when I saw the Stargazer scene....like, "Really grandpa?" Lol

[Marta Rio II]

ShadowNinja1129 wrote...
Was the pre-release backlash really that strong?

It was pretty strong.  You know that thread "So we can't get the ending we want after all?" which is now up to several thousand pages?  I think it was up to at least a hundred pages a week or so before the game released (the original post by DaftArbiter had the leaked ending details, it has since been edited).  People were also commiserating in the spoiler group outside of the discussion forums.  I'd guess that the number of people who had spoiled themselves and were complaining about it on BSN numbered in the hundreds.  And they were complaining about it pretty loudly, hence the pre-emptive blog post/change of site rules from Bioware.

However, from what I could tell, the leak in November contained the current ending, crucible, starchild, everything. So are those people full of it? I haven't seen anything definitive and I'm too lazy to go through all that random text, but from what I did read I was pretty sure the leaked November script was near identical to the game, including the ending.

I didn't read the leak myself, but from what I heard the script leak contained pretty much the endings we have now.  As far as I can tell, people were not so angry about the leaked endings in November because (a) we didn't have complete information on the cutscenes/etc. (i.e. we didn't realize that the ending would simply be Red-Green-Blue) and ( at that point there was still a chance that the leaked endings were not the final version (though we know better now, don't we).

The "dark energy" version of the ending I think was leaked somewhere else, maybe the Penny Arcade forums?  I don't think there is any actual confirmation that it's true, although it makes sense based on what was foreshadowed in ME2.  But yeah, the dark energy stuff supposedly was from an earlier version of the script/story than what was leaked during November.  So fan complaints did not result in the ending being changed from "dark energy" to "Starchild", if that's what you're worried about.

Modifié par Marta Rio II, 11 avril 2012 - 01:48 .

[jasonxxsatanna]

KillerHappyFace wrote...

Deemz wrote...

Honestly, I think all that talk about holding on to your save games is about ME4 or whatever they are going to call it.

I doubt it. This is the end of Shepard's story, as they've said time and time again. And this time I'm inclined to believe them. If any sequels are made, they will either be far-future (so that details can be fuzzy) or they will choose a canon gamestate like Fallout does, probably the one in the Mass Effect movies.

To import any choices from ME3 -- even just the really major ones-- would make the next game incomprehensibly complex.

I was thinking . . . that if this is the end of Sheps story,  that the next game would venture into letting you take control and play as one of the squad mates . . . think of it you could choose to play as Garrus , Liara or Vega etc. . . .simular to MP . . . the next set of comic books   focus on said squad mates

[Marta Rio II]

accidentally quoted when I meant to edit.

Modifié par Marta Rio II, 11 avril 2012 - 01:47 .

[Marta Rio II]

whoops...ignore this post.

[Surgeon_Sniper]

I wouldn't doubt it was already planned-- they may be tweaking it a bit now but who knows. I thought the end was a build for something bigger/extended the second the credits rolled. I hope I'm right.

[NBegovich]

ShadowNinja1129 wrote...

Would it be nice if BioWare was engaging in a more open dialogue with the fanbase? Yes, but I can understand your reluctance reading a lot of the not-so-"cool and collected" fan backlash.

Actually, I believe this is an example of the "artistic integrity" it's so popular to make fun of right now. Kudos to BioWare for standing by the decision to keep quiet about this. I'm reasonably sure we're all in for a huge treat this summer.

[ShadowNinja1129]

Marta Rio II wrote...

So fan complaints did not result in the ending being changed from "dark energy" to "Starchild", if that's what you're worried about.

No, I didn't think that was the case. Still, glad to hear that confirmed.

Modifié par ShadowNinja1129, 11 avril 2012 - 04:16 .

[HeyUder]

It's always been a "show, don't tell" kind of world when it comes to the goods. Be it in a story or in real life. I'm sick of debating - it's all been "speculated" - it's time for the goods. And those goods better be well worth this damn trouble, though I fail to see how they ever could be.

[captainwaffles]

I think they are just making stuff up... I can't believe they would hold the real ending back for so long.

[JasonDaPsycho]

Here's the problem. If the ending DLC was masterminded all along, why were Bioware's responses antagonizing?

[Reptilian Rob]

Yeah, it's Twitter...

The same thing that killed off the entire Citadel.

[Wabajakka]

Best answer.

They royally ****ed up on so many levels.

Edit: Although this is all very compelling evidence. That other chick (Jessica Merizan or something) said herself that IDT was not being denied because they didn't want to say the fans were wrong or deny the fans head cannon or speculation... Which means I don't think they will confirm it in DLC OR had it planned, they seriously just wanted us to make it up, IDT is just one of the many ways the ending can be interpreted and they want it like that... It's a horrible thought, but that's the truth.

I hope I'm wrong

Modifié par Orange Tee, 11 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[Cirreus]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Once again, I have no reason to believe anything over Twitter.

Worst forms of media ever invented.

From now on, I just want press-statements. Like that punch to the balls last friday.

My first complaint was to stop using twitter on there suggestion thread. The Emily Wong death is likely worse than the ending. Oh sure it "could" be put in a book or DLC later, but ...  it's like getting a divorce notice over SMS on your phone.

[2484Stryker]

BioWare says a lot of things these days.

[Jat371]

My problem with believing that this is part of a grand scheme is all the leaks. If they couldn't keep the early script or new multiplayer characters or anything else under wraps I have trouble accepting that they could hide this huge conspiracy, especially after all this controversy.

[Occulo]

Remember the epilogue? Where the old man is like "OK I'll tell you one more story" and then there's that pop-up about DLC? I really want to believe that it was a poorly executed attempt to hint the extended cut DLC.