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[Faded-Myth]

Heretic19 wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

can't they elect some sort of leader and vote on these sorts of things? It seems like one bad idea gets forced on everyone.

Frankly, the movement should never have been seen as an official organization. It was a collective group of people rallied behind a single cause. I'm worried that it's just become a vendetta now.

I love Mass Effect. I think it needed to end in a different way, and I'll remain a steadfast supporter of everyone who disliked the ending. I hope at the very least BioWare get the idea into their heads that they, in the minds of an awful lot of people, screwed up big time. They made a lot of people sad and angry.

But this whole fiasco is making me just a salad, and very hungry.

Fix'd .

Great. Now I'm hungry. Midnight snack, here I come.

[Shaoken]

SoldierGryphon wrote...

I say we get some programmers, artists, and a publisher and make our own sci-fi trilogy.

I'll be the PR guy.

[Darth_Trethon]

This thread is sad....so what if they put up some billboards? I'd laugh a lot if I ever saw a Retake or Hold The Line billboard on a EA building.....slap it right on their faces.

Interesting to notice the billboard thread was going just fine without much dissent until BioWare jumped in and nuked it by calling it a waste of money.....then everyone went ballistic and now you have threads like this. Really? Can't you tell you've been played by PR? At the moment even if some things may seem silly we all absolutely need to stand together.

[Heretic19]

Shaoken wrote...

SoldierGryphon wrote...

I say we get some programmers, artists, and a publisher and make our own sci-fi trilogy.

I'll be the PR guy.

Dibs on the guy who eats potato chips on the sofa and nags at you for not getting the paperwork done yesterday. 

[Auralius Carolus]

Any time you get enough people together, someone is eventually going to do something you don't agree with. When it comes to a difficult goal, uniformity is your best option. Jumping ship simply lends favor to the opposition as division occurs.

Don't like the billboard idea? Fine, let your criticism known. Try to stop it. Express yourself. But do not give in to division or surrender. This is a grassroots movement, after all: it's bottom-up. If the bottom cannot hold, it's done.

[Faded-Myth]

Shaoken wrote...

SoldierGryphon wrote...

I say we get some programmers, artists, and a publisher and make our own sci-fi trilogy.

I'll be the PR guy.

How good are you at making a lot of crazy promises?

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 10 avril 2012 - 08:31 .

[tenojitsu]

Odd Bet wrote...

You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say all of this was orchestrated by some evil PR genius. Seems to have more effectively split the fans than anything to date.

That guy or gal would be up for PR person of the year.

[KillerHappyFace]

It IS a tad ridiculous. I thought it was a decent idea for a few minutes, but...

Bioware and EA both already acknowledge retake. Posting billboards is just an expensive way to make them resent the movement more. And the ad on the board is too vague to make any greater public awareness.

Far better to divert the funds to a new charity, do volunteer work, or otherwise get nothing but good publicity and a higher moral stance. You know, standard stuff like in Retake's early days.

Modifié par KillerHappyFace, 10 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[GBGriffin]

If Retake denounces this as the extreme reaction of a group of unaffiliated fans, no reason to leave. If they come out in support of it and you disagreement, then leave and be proud of yourself for holding the line until it went too far.

The OP admits to mistakenly associating the thread with Retake officially. As shortsighted and idiotic as that was, I'm hoping that if enough people speak out against it, we can convince...someone, I guess, that the billboard is not what the fans collectively want.

It might not stop reports generalizing the actions of the OP and supporters to everyone (the FTC complaint taught us that) but maybe those of ys who disagree can at least point to a post showing that we don't approve. If enough people go on the record against it...maybe that'll be enough.

[tenojitsu]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

This thread is sad....so what if they put up some billboards? I'd laugh a lot if I ever saw a Retake or Hold The Line billboard on a EA building.....slap it right on their faces.

Interesting to notice the billboard thread was going just fine without much dissent until BioWare jumped in and nuked it by calling it a waste of money.....then everyone went ballistic and now you have threads like this. Really? Can't you tell you've been played by PR? At the moment even if some things may seem silly we all absolutely need to stand together.

I didnt need anyone from BioWare to tell me it was a waste of money.

[darkshadow136]

I'm not jumping ship. But I also will wait and see what Bioware comes up with, with this extended cut. I personally think anything that includes the Starchild is going to suck and destroy the lore of the series, but we will see.

I personally can't support the Billboard idea, it is stupid. The best way to Hold the line through civil discourse, and even the cupcake idea was funny and an old way to protest as well. Sometimes you give to get as the saying goes. Outside of that I will hold my wallet.

I feel this way about the situation if they don't make a satisfactory conclusion to the ME series that fits within the continuity and lore of the series, then I will just no longer purchase anything from Bioware or EA again. My disappointment in Bioware started back with the release of DA2, and I quit supporting that franchise with my money, if they mess up ME then there is nothing left for me to buy anyway.

[GBGriffin]

Also, to those who think this is a joke...sure, its hilarious to joke about, but to spend upwards of 9k to make it happen and risk fueling the "entitlement " arguments again is a joke that, I feel, the community as a whole shouldn't have to be associated with.

[xsdob]

This boondoggle will either be a close call or a absolute disaster. Either way it's a good lesson to learn, never trust an organization that has a top down leadership and doesn't listen to other peoples input.

Otherwise you get stuff like this and the ME3 ending.

[antony1197]

That wasnt the real original facebook group one and i HATE it its giving the people who have been working their asses off for nothing

[DGuyton]

Sadly, I think it's pretty much over. No matter what Retake does. Bioware will give us an extended cut with their pathetic endings intact. The media will call us 'whiners' and 'entitled' and EA and Bioware will wash their hands of it and move on.

Modifié par DGuyton, 10 avril 2012 - 07:48 .

[Faded-Myth]

tenojitsu wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

This thread is sad....so what if they put up some billboards? I'd laugh a lot if I ever saw a Retake or Hold The Line billboard on a EA building.....slap it right on their faces.

Interesting to notice the billboard thread was going just fine without much dissent until BioWare jumped in and nuked it by calling it a waste of money.....then everyone went ballistic and now you have threads like this. Really? Can't you tell you've been played by PR? At the moment even if some things may seem silly we all absolutely need to stand together.

I didnt need anyone from BioWare to tell me it was a waste of money.

Likewise. All I needed to do was read the thread title to get an awful feeling about it. I read the first few pages and immediately cemented my idea. I didn't even see the BioWare post until after my first reply, then flicked backwards through the pages until I found it quoted somewhere, just to see what it said. Not everyone within an organization is a weak-willed sheep, easily toppled at the suggestion of someone in power. Some of us simply share an opinion or two.

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 10 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[Darth_Trethon]

tenojitsu wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

This thread is sad....so what if they put up some billboards? I'd laugh a lot if I ever saw a Retake or Hold The Line billboard on a EA building.....slap it right on their faces.

Interesting to notice the billboard thread was going just fine without much dissent until BioWare jumped in and nuked it by calling it a waste of money.....then everyone went ballistic and now you have threads like this. Really? Can't you tell you've been played by PR? At the moment even if some things may seem silly we all absolutely need to stand together.

I didnt need anyone from BioWare to tell me it was a waste of money.

No one's forcing you to pay, just ignore that bit but do you really need to call for the fanbase to split their efforts for a new ending because of this? Seriously? Someone does something you disagree with and you think we should just bail and let EA to their devices? Wasn't From Ashes and EA stating that every player should pay $1 every time they loaded a game enough?

We got nothing but promises from BioWare and after the deliberate and complete lies they said about the ending to hype up the game prior to release automatically indicates that they should not be trusted at all.
This whole complaint about the billboards is nonsense.....so what it they do manage to put up some billboards? I'd be happy to see some slapped on EA buildings....that would be beyond hilarious. How would that make us look bad? It'd draw more media attention than the attention of the bypassig traffic and just the idea of putting them in EA's face is pure genius.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[xsdob]

Anyone intersted in a group that won't try to make you spend large amounts of money on advertising? We got plenty of room in the hold the wallet thread.

In fact, were probably the only group advocating to save your money as a sign of protest, or have the only memeber willing to tell you guys that it's okay to still play the stuff from bioware you want, and to just let them know a new ending would have been prefered.

links in the banner if you want to check it out.

Modifié par xsdob, 10 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[Cirreus]

Here's the thing with Bioware. They lied. They continue to lie (about listening to their customers). Call it marketing spin, PR or whatever. I feel I didn't get Mass Effect 3 (despite the 3 on it). So I'm for any peaceful protest against the endings (over simplification of my grevenances with ME3). Especially ones like Child's Play, reading for children, cupcakes & this billboard idea. Money (they) see I'm not spending on EA/Bioware is money well spent.

[Faded-Myth]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
No one's forcing you to pay, just ignore that bit but do you really need to call for the fanbase to split their efforts for a new ending because of this? Seriously? Someone does something you disagree with and you think we should just bail and let EA to their devices?

*snip*

People aren't quitting their opinions or even the stance against BioWare's endings. People are simply distancing themselves way from the billboards because they're uncomfortable with it for various reasons. We have the right to stand together united to proclaim our opinions, but being part of a group of protestors is also knowing what actions to follow and what to step back from.

If I was amidst a group of protestors who were kicking somebody in the ribs to get their point across, would I join them? No. While this isn't as extreme as that, the point remains the same. I'm entitled to express myself in other ways. So far I've participated in Childs Play, emails, letters, posts and other means. And I'll continue to do so. But I won't jump on every single action some members of the movement are undertaking, espcially when it's not even backed by the more active online community members.

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 10 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[tenojitsu]

antony1197 wrote...

That wasnt the real original facebook group one and i HATE it its giving the people who have been working their asses off for nothing

I agree with you. After speaking with some people in the past few minutes, I've updated the opening post to state that Facebook group isnt the same Retake that merged with Holdtheline. Problem is that Retake isnt a group, its an idea. What one Retake group does affects all of them, and this will severly tarnish the Facebook Retake group. Just like throughout history some political parties split because members begin to embrace different ideals and tactics, as will go the Retake movement.

[killnoob]

lol....civil wars

gosh internet is entertaining

Bioware is gonna open another champagne

Modifié par killnoob, 10 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[NubXL]

Never formally associated myself with either group, despite sharing many similar opinions, but yes, that goofy mess really put me off to all of these people.

[Simocrates]

I figured the ending needed some tweaks but the whole retake and hold the line fiasco lost me when I noticed signatures saying demand a new ending. Can't believe the audacity of you lot demanding anything you don't deserve. Ask politely and put forward valid points. Surprised Bioware even caved into this childish behaviour.

[tenojitsu]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

This thread is sad....so what if they put up some billboards? I'd laugh a lot if I ever saw a Retake or Hold The Line billboard on a EA building.....slap it right on their faces.

Interesting to notice the billboard thread was going just fine without much dissent until BioWare jumped in and nuked it by calling it a waste of money.....then everyone went ballistic and now you have threads like this. Really? Can't you tell you've been played by PR? At the moment even if some things may seem silly we all absolutely need to stand together.

I didnt need anyone from BioWare to tell me it was a waste of money.

No one's forcing you to pay, just ignore that bit but do you really need to call for the fanbase to split their efforts for a new ending because of this? Seriously? Someone does something you disagree with and you think we should just bail and let EA to their devices? Wasn't From Ashes and EA stating that every player should pay $1 every time they loaded a game enough?

We got nothing but promises from BioWare and after the deliberate and complete lies they said about the ending to hype up the game prior to release automatically indicates that they should not be trusted at all.
This whole complaint about the billboards is nonsense.....so what it they do manage to put up some billboards? I'd be happy to see some slapped on EA buildings....that would be beyond hilarious. How would that make us look bad? It'd draw more media attention than the attention of the bypassig traffic and just the idea of putting them in EA's face is pure genius.

I'm sincerely sorry for you that you think putting billboards in EA's face is pure genius. They've announced free extended cut DLC. It may be good, bad, great, terrible...who knows. Until we know, all of this is excessive and unwarranted.