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[Grimskull89]

xsdob wrote...

Anyone intersted in a group that won't try to make you spend large amounts of money on advertising? We got plenty of room in the hold the wallet thread.

links in the banner if you want to check it out.

Already a member of both, though.. starting to wonder about the RME group. There is also the troublingly thought that there are now like 4-5 websites dedicated to Retakers that are neither BSN or the FB page(though one of these are associated with the FB page). People on these alternate websites seems to want to scoop up members talk them into their agenda and now this billboard idea.

[reehdus]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

This thread is sad....so what if they put up some billboards? I'd laugh a lot if I ever saw a Retake or Hold The Line billboard on a EA building.....slap it right on their faces.

Interesting to notice the billboard thread was going just fine without much dissent until BioWare jumped in and nuked it by calling it a waste of money.....then everyone went ballistic and now you have threads like this. Really? Can't you tell you've been played by PR? At the moment even if some things may seem silly we all absolutely need to stand together.

I didnt need anyone from BioWare to tell me it was a waste of money.

No one's forcing you to pay, just ignore that bit but do you really need to call for the fanbase to split their efforts for a new ending because of this? Seriously? Someone does something you disagree with and you think we should just bail and let EA to their devices? Wasn't From Ashes and EA stating that every player should pay $1 every time they loaded a game enough?

We got nothing but promises from BioWare and after the deliberate and complete lies they said about the ending to hype up the game prior to release automatically indicates that they should not be trusted at all.
This whole complaint about the billboards is nonsense.....so what it they do manage to put up some billboards? I'd be happy to see some slapped on EA buildings....that would be beyond hilarious. How would that make us look bad? It'd draw more media attention than the attention of the bypassig traffic and just the idea of putting them in EA's face is pure genius.

Bioware, EA, the world etc has acknowledged fans don't like the endings. The retake whatever etc movements have done their job. Enlighten me to the purpose of the billboards, cupcakes etc other than to highlight "Hey, I know you guys know we don't like the endings, but here's another thing to remind you we don't like the endings".

[Aznable Char]

I agree it is ridiculous , but there are important things to know:

1. It is being sponsored by a different group (Hold The Line) not Retake

2. They are testing the waters not implementing it yet , so this is a good test for them to see if it gains popular support . We should be glad that unlike CERTAIN organizations they at least want to test it out first .

3. It's a bad idea , and I propose countering it with a 16-different-flavour ice cream initiative to show kids or people at a shelter that CHOICE is better and kept promises are better .

4. the organizers mean well but I sincerely hope that they can be better than BioWare and recognize when an unpopular way of doing something is unpopular and do something else .

[Occulo]

I don't see what's wrong with billboards. If anything it tells EA and BioWare how much they've pissed their consumer base.

Seeing how big publishers feel about piracy ("every pirated copy is a lost sale!" instead of "most pirated copies are sales that couldn't have been made anyway"), a billboard would freak them out, right? It's even worse than piracy--piracy doesn't publicly criticise your products, brand, company, et cetera. And of course, charity can't do that either. But billboards can. And not only that, billboards cost money. Money that could've instead been used to buy products and fill those companies' wallets.

[Kath]

Zanza86 wrote...

I figured the ending needed some tweaks but the whole retake and hold the line fiasco lost me when I noticed signatures saying demand a new ending. Can't believe the audacity of you lot demanding anything you don't deserve. Ask politely and put forward valid points. Surprised Bioware even caved into this childish behaviour.

It isn't about "deserving" anything, it's about maintaining what made Mass Effect great as a series. The end of the game contradicts the main themes and conflicts of Mass Effect, and fans just want it to mesh with the rest of the series. It's not childish to expect pie from a pie shop. 

(... and no, I don't know why I always resort to food analogies...) 

Modifié par Katherine, 10 avril 2012 - 08:01 .

[miekojn]

Pff, this is all getting so complicated. Guess I'll just stick with supporting Marauder Shields.

[v TricKy v]

Odd Bet wrote...

You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say all of this was orchestrated by some evil PR genius. Seems to have more effectively split the fans than anything to date.

Could be, this is the Internet after all. Everyone is 
anonymous.

I must say that I dont really care at all what the groups are doing as long as I get a better ending which was goal of movement. I find it actually pretty funny that you guys seem to care so much with OP threating to leave. I mean will all didnt sign a contract for joining or something. You are acting like you joined Al-Qaeda and lerned that they blow people up. Besides without this dedicated members of the movement we wouldnt get a Extended Cut or we would atleast have to pay for it.

Modifié par v TricKy v, 10 avril 2012 - 08:03 .

[Grudge_NL]

Although I supported Retake most of the times, as of the current actions being taken against Bioware, I no longer want to be a part of this group.

Mainly for the reason it has reached such a high level of annoyance and Money wasting. This is no longer just about the ending of a videogame. This is about how much people try to control others.

A lot of people always complained about how much Bioware/EA tries to control their customers. Yet, with this action we are nothing better than Bioware/EA themselfes.

I suggest people to step away from Retake. Supporting this action will give you a bad name. Supporting this Action will hurt Bioware. This action will hurt this forum. No one's going to win from this.

The entire ME fanbase is broken. Bioware will NEVER change the ending because of the fact Retake is broken. Before this happened the Retake movement was divided into three groups.

1. Those who hate the Ending. Retake.
2. Those who like it.
3. Those who want clarification on the Ending.

Now a lot of people who originally ated the ending are now leaving group 1 and side with group 3.
Do you seriously think Group 1 will achieve anything with Billboards?

What is the point of Billboards when the general human being doesnt care or havent played Mass Effect at all ?

Exactly. It's time to leave this utter mess.

Modifié par Grudge_NL, 10 avril 2012 - 08:18 .

[Jenonax]

 

Omg, leave these boards for a day or so and the **** hits the fan.

I remember someone saying on the Angry Joe thread late last week that we should get a billboard and I said I'd chip in - as a JOKE!

Dear Lord, I can't think of a more damaging idea at this point in time.  So far the label of entitled, whiny babies hasn't stuck.  This goes ahead and it'll be a lot harder for gamers to voice their concerns and be heard.  

Bioware have heard us, people!  We don't know if they've listened but thats another thing for later on.   There is nothing more we can do without compromising the image we're trying to maintain.  Keep writing letters, keep posting on the forums, send them more cupcakes if you must but please, please not this.

[tenojitsu]

Aznable Char wrote...

I agree it is ridiculous , but there are important things to know:

1. It is being sponsored by a different group (Hold The Line) not Retake

2. They are testing the waters not implementing it yet , so this is a good test for them to see if it gains popular support . We should be glad that unlike CERTAIN organizations they at least want to test it out first .

3. It's a bad idea , and I propose countering it with a 16-different-flavour ice cream initiative to show kids or people at a shelter that CHOICE is better and kept promises are better .

4. the organizers mean well but I sincerely hope that they can be better than BioWare and recognize when an unpopular way of doing something is unpopular and do something else .

Unfortuntely for the Facebook folks, one of the other Retake websites merged with HoldtheLine. That basically means that the Retake that merged with HoldtheLine and HoldtheLine are one and the same. People dont know the difference, and gaming publications will jump all over this. Besides, the Retake that merged with HoldtheLine is the one that was interviewed by Forbes, giving them major recognition.

[tenojitsu]

Funny, was just on the holdtheline site and I noticed a link to the Facebook page the instant I landed on the page. Not to mention we are bunch of trolls for not supporting the billboard idea, lol.

[Grimskull89]

tenojitsu wrote...

Funny, was just on the holdtheline site and I noticed a link to the Facebook page the instant I landed on the page. Not to mention we are bunch of trolls for not supporting the billboard idea, lol.

never mind ^.^

Modifié par Grimskull89, 10 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[Aznable Char]

Luckily this is only in the idea page . I think they have an opportunity here to show that they're wiser than BioWare by recognizing that this is a bad idea from the negative feedback and come back with a different idea .

[Elite Midget]

MOELANDER wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Title pretty much says it all. Holdtheline and Retake have merged (see link below, third paragraph). This means Retake is on board with the billboard by default. Sorry, but dont want to be associated with this mess. Anyone else jumping the Retake ship?
http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

You got wrong Intel. Here is the official announcement from the facebook page which has been the only true hub for us apart from the BSN. You can still fin it ther, so I'm just showing you the important part. Forbes got wrong Intel:

We cannot afford to be split apart. We must stand together in our struggle. None of us can do this alone, but together we have come far, and will go farther. Together we will Hold the Line!

That said here is the current list of official Retake sites:

www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3

http://www.youtube.c...etakeMassEffect

https://twitter.com/#!/RetakeME3

Official email address: retakemasseffect@gmail.com

We WILL have an official website up soon. Our web development team is very excited about it.

The various non-English Retake Facebook pages that are "Liked" by the main Demand page/

Groups recognized by the Retake leadership, but are not officially part of it (as least yet):

http://retakemasseffect.tumblr.com/

The wonderful Retake member community at Deviant Art

There has been some confusion about the following two sites, and due to confusion, complaints, and other concerns I feel the need to make sure that it is known that they are NOT officially recognized by the leadership of the #RetakeMassEffect community.

www.holdtheline.com

www.retakemasseffect.org

You can find the whole thing here: http://www.facebook....369976353046413

Please don't leave, we are going to reform RetakeME3 into Retake Gaming after this, to further help the cause of gamers. The Billboard idea is NOT officially from RetakeME3!

You aim too big, you aren't prophets. If you aim too high you will be devoured by the monster you have created. Everyone wants to be great but you mustn't let that cloud your mind from your reach and can't reach.

[Darth_Trethon]

reehdus wrote...

Bioware, EA, the world etc has acknowledged fans don't like the endings. The retake whatever etc movements have done their job. Enlighten me to the purpose of the billboards, cupcakes etc other than to highlight "Hey, I know you guys know we don't like the endings, but here's another thing to remind you we don't like the endings".

Because they've delivered nothing yet and they have not even promised much. Remember all the lies and false advertisement for ME3 revolving around what the endings would be? Do you seriously imply we should trust them now? If a promise is all it takes to shut us up we're in big trouble.....we need to show that hey, you're making something, great, but we've go no reason to trust a word they say. You have to remember who you're dealing with.....EA would gladly charge you money to load a save if they could....they're not considerate or decent or anything remotely similar....give them some slack and they'll turn in on us faster than you can immagine.

Make no mistake this is far from over, I'll believe it when I'm playing it.

[tenojitsu]

Grimskull89 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Funny, was just on the holdtheline site and I noticed a link to the Facebook page the instant I landed on the page. Not to mention we are bunch of trolls for not supporting the billboard idea, lol.

Well members of the HTL community want to unite with the FB page...

Go read the comment that Moelander posted on page 2 of this thread.

I saw lots of links which to be honest I really dont feel like following at this point. I'm going off of what Forbes said. If I see an article from them stating that Retake didnt merge with Holdtheline, then I'll consider jumping back on board the Retake movement.

[dallicant]

I signed up on HTL, but I only just found out about the Billboard thing (haven't been very active lately). I agree with OP that it's a bad idea. There's still debate within HTL, however, so I don't think it's a sure thing yet. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

[tenojitsu]

dallicant wrote...

I signed up on HTL, but I only just found out about the Billboard thing (haven't been very active lately). I agree with OP that it's a bad idea. There's still debate within HTL, however, so I don't think it's a sure thing yet. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

The only debate I see is where to put the billboard. The poll needs to be updated to give a choice saying that the billboard is a bad idea.

[Thornquist]

I got what I wanted from this whole debacle - clearity & closure, so I'm happy.

Consider me out of the Retake movement.

[Darth_Trethon]

tenojitsu wrote...

I'm sincerely sorry for you that you think putting billboards in EA's face is pure genius. They've announced free extended cut DLC. It may be good, bad, great, terrible...who knows. Until we know, all of this is excessive and unwarranted.

Yes....trusting EA promises is a great idea...

See my reply above.

[Grimskull89]

tenojitsu wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Funny, was just on the holdtheline site and I noticed a link to the Facebook page the instant I landed on the page. Not to mention we are bunch of trolls for not supporting the billboard idea, lol.

Well members of the HTL community want to unite with the FB page...

Go read the comment that Moelander posted on page 2 of this thread.

I saw lots of links which to be honest I really dont feel like following at this point. I'm going off of what Forbes said. If I see an article from them stating that Retake didnt merge with Holdtheline, then I'll consider jumping back on board the Retake movement.

Well what Moelander has in the quote box comes from post that the FB page had up I think last friday. It is, as it stands the last thing said and their current stance.

[Jagri]

The anti-ending group(s) are growing quite massive in number. Think if anything would represent it now it's the Hydra. It's really several heads pulling and weaving in all direction with the only common goal is being against how Mass Effect 3 ended.

Modifié par Jagri, 10 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Thornquist wrote...

I got what I wanted from this whole debacle - clearity & closure, so I'm happy.

Consider me out of the Retake movement.

I think you may be crossing this off as a victory a tad bit too soon....

Remember BioWare promising us closure, multiple endings and telling us how great the ending would be?

Trusting them to deliver on this promise is like playing russian roulete with five rounds chambered and one empty slot.

[mrbthq]

I don't really care about all this, I just hate the ending. I just picture people from bioware sitting around smoking cigars laughing about how they took it to their fans and how their gonna spend my $80.

[Faded-Myth]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
I think you may be crossing this off as a victory a tad bit too soon....

Remember BioWare promising us closure, multiple endings and telling us how great the ending would be?

Trusting them to deliver on this promise is like playing russian roulete with five rounds chambered and one empty slot.

That was pre-fiasco. BioWare are making this DLC to directly address clarity and closure. Sure, I would love more than that, but as far as clarity goes, that's the point of the DLC. I think thats something that's really a safe bet.