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[I am KROGAN]

I didn't really think there was a line that could be crossed in all this (obvious exceptions aside: death threats, etc)

Cupcakes = funny
Whatever in the hell this is = over the line

This whole thing... Is just spiraling out of control on all sides. I sense an epic ****storm incoming...

[dallicant]

tenojitsu wrote...

dallicant wrote...

I signed up on HTL, but I only just found out about the Billboard thing (haven't been very active lately). I agree with OP that it's a bad idea. There's still debate within HTL, however, so I don't think it's a sure thing yet. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

The only debate I see is where to put the billboard. The poll needs to be updated to give a choice saying that the billboard is a bad idea.

Right, but there are people arguing for just that on the thread.  Hopefully the people in charge of HTL will listen to their fans *cough cough*

Modifié par dallicant, 10 avril 2012 - 08:40 .

[tenojitsu]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

I'm sincerely sorry for you that you think putting billboards in EA's face is pure genius. They've announced free extended cut DLC. It may be good, bad, great, terrible...who knows. Until we know, all of this is excessive and unwarranted.

Yes....trusting EA promises is a great idea...

See my reply above.

Wasnt it the BioWare folks who made the announcement, not EA reps? I know that they are owned by EA, but I like to think they havent been totally corrupted yet. I dont like EA as much as anyone, but what do you think, they will say there will be an extended cut DLC and then they wont make it?

[Darth_Trethon]

Faded-Myth wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...
I think you may be crossing this off as a victory a tad bit too soon....

Remember BioWare promising us closure, multiple endings and telling us how great the ending would be?

Trusting them to deliver on this promise is like playing russian roulete with five rounds chambered and one empty slot.

That was pre-fiasco. BioWare are making this DLC to directly address clarity and closure. Sure, I would love more than that, but as far as clarity goes, that's the point of the DLC. I think thats something that's really a safe bet.

At this point nothing would surprise me. If they came out with a 30 second wall of text with poor explanations I wouldn't be surprised....I can only believe it when I see it. I cannot begin to describe how much their deliberate and complete lies bothered....all on top of Origin's privacy issues and EA stating that players should pay just to load a save are extremely troubling to me. My experience with EA's customer service or lack there of does not help reassure me that they give a damn about their customers.

As an opposite example....Microsoft has been bashed plenty but of the dozens of times I talked to their customer service both via phone and via twitter they have mostly been helpful and always competent.....NEVER clueless....unlike EA. So I always had some ammount of reason to trust they'd deliver. Now with BioWare and EA....I do not.

[Darth_Trethon]

tenojitsu wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

I'm sincerely sorry for you that you think putting billboards in EA's face is pure genius. They've announced free extended cut DLC. It may be good, bad, great, terrible...who knows. Until we know, all of this is excessive and unwarranted.

Yes....trusting EA promises is a great idea...

See my reply above.

Wasnt it the BioWare folks who made the announcement, not EA reps? I know that they are owned by EA, but I like to think they havent been totally corrupted yet. I dont like EA as much as anyone, but what do you think, they will say there will be an extended cut DLC and then they wont make it?

BioWare also made the false promises and blatant lies about closure and endings prior to the release on ME3...I don't know what to believe from them anymore either.

[tenojitsu]

Grimskull89 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Funny, was just on the holdtheline site and I noticed a link to the Facebook page the instant I landed on the page. Not to mention we are bunch of trolls for not supporting the billboard idea, lol.

Well members of the HTL community want to unite with the FB page...

Go read the comment that Moelander posted on page 2 of this thread.

I saw lots of links which to be honest I really dont feel like following at this point. I'm going off of what Forbes said. If I see an article from them stating that Retake didnt merge with Holdtheline, then I'll consider jumping back on board the Retake movement.

Well what Moelander has in the quote box comes from post that the FB page had up I think last friday. It is, as it stands the last thing said and their current stance.

I understand that the Facebook group doesnt support holdtheline, but as I already stated a few times in this thread, Forbes reported that Retake.org merged with holdtheline. Do you really think people will bother to do the research to know that the Facebook group isnt the one that merged with holdtheline? Does it even matter? Reputation of Retake = tarnished

Modifié par tenojitsu, 10 avril 2012 - 08:48 .

[tenojitsu]

dallicant wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

dallicant wrote...

I signed up on HTL, but I only just found out about the Billboard thing (haven't been very active lately). I agree with OP that it's a bad idea. There's still debate within HTL, however, so I don't think it's a sure thing yet. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

The only debate I see is where to put the billboard. The poll needs to be updated to give a choice saying that the billboard is a bad idea.

Right, but there are people arguing for just that on the thread.  Hopefully the people in charge of HTL will listen to their fans *cough cough*

Until the poll is changed, its safe to assume they arent listening

[Thornquist]

Faded-Myth wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...
I think you may be crossing this off as a victory a tad bit too soon....

Remember BioWare promising us closure, multiple endings and telling us how great the ending would be?

Trusting them to deliver on this promise is like playing russian roulete with five rounds chambered and one empty slot.

That was pre-fiasco. BioWare are making this DLC to directly address clarity and closure. Sure, I would love more than that, but as far as clarity goes, that's the point of the DLC. I think thats something that's really a safe bet.

Exactly. Besides, I trusted Bioware to give me excellent Mass Effect games since the first, and so far they havent let me down.

Sure the endings were disappointing, but the game overall was amazing - so I think Bioware deserves faith in this.

Also, I think this whole billboard idea is bat**** insane. I cant see anything positive coming from this. Its just so sad.

Modifié par Thornquist, 10 avril 2012 - 08:52 .

[tenojitsu]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

I'm sincerely sorry for you that you think putting billboards in EA's face is pure genius. They've announced free extended cut DLC. It may be good, bad, great, terrible...who knows. Until we know, all of this is excessive and unwarranted.

Yes....trusting EA promises is a great idea...

See my reply above.

Wasnt it the BioWare folks who made the announcement, not EA reps? I know that they are owned by EA, but I like to think they havent been totally corrupted yet. I dont like EA as much as anyone, but what do you think, they will say there will be an extended cut DLC and then they wont make it?

BioWare also made the false promises and blatant lies about closure and endings prior to the release on ME3...I don't know what to believe from them anymore either.

Haters just wanna hate, so keep on hating. The more reasonable part of this will take a step back and try to engage in dialogue with BioWare regarding the extended cut, not throw billboards in their face

[SaladinDheonqar]

You don't have to be a part of Retake to be part of the movement. If you're uncomfortable or offended by some of the Retakers' actions, just ignore it. That doesn't mean you have to abandon the cause.

[tenojitsu]

Thornquist wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...
I think you may be crossing this off as a victory a tad bit too soon....

Remember BioWare promising us closure, multiple endings and telling us how great the ending would be?

Trusting them to deliver on this promise is like playing russian roulete with five rounds chambered and one empty slot.

That was pre-fiasco. BioWare are making this DLC to directly address clarity and closure. Sure, I would love more than that, but as far as clarity goes, that's the point of the DLC. I think thats something that's really a safe bet.

Exactly. Besides, I trusted Bioware to give me excellent Mass Effect games since the first, and so far they havent let me down.

Sure the endings were disappointing, but the game overall was amazing - so I think Bioware deserves faith in this.

Also, I think this whole billboard idea is bat**** insane. I cant see anything positive coming from this. Its just so sad.

Quoted for being a rational thought.

[Haargel]

I'll just wait for the Extended Cut.

This is a bit to much for me. Better give the money raised for the billboard to orphans or something. I don't know what is going on but it's crossing the line imo.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Oh who the hell cares what one group is doing the point is we all hate the ending. If this get's more attention to us the better.

[FOX216BC]

Most of those who don't like the ending aren't part of "retake" anyway, so i wouldn't worry about this OP.

[dallicant]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Oh who the hell cares what one group is doing the point is we all hate the ending. If this get's more attention to us the better.

That kind of thinking is part of the problem.  If we want BioWare to listen, we have to show that we are reasonable.  The extended DLC tells me that someone is listening, though maybe not in the way they'd want.  If BioWare really didn't care, they wouldn't bother.

Stuff like the billboard is just petulant and unreasonable.  We have to give BioWare a fair chance if we are to be taken seriously.  Otherwise we'll fully deserve criticisms of whininess and entitlement.

Modifié par dallicant, 10 avril 2012 - 09:00 .

[The Angry One]

I have no idea what they think they'll accomplish with this, aside from giving the rest of us a headache.

[Darth_Trethon]

tenojitsu wrote...

Haters just wanna hate, so keep on hating. The more reasonable part of this will take a step back and try to engage in dialogue with BioWare regarding the extended cut, not throw billboards in their face

No I don't want to hate but I remember who owns them and how little they cared about lying to us about the game. I absolutely cannot trust EA and I cannot trust BioWare to not do something if ordered by EA. I sure hope they deliver.

But back to the billboards, they really aren't the end of the world....just a little reminder that we're still very much watching. Plus if aimed at EA then that really shouldn't be an issue with anybody. The money we pay for BioWare products go to EA.....so should the consequences. Plus EA is in desperate need to be reminded that we won't be that easily pushed around.

This reaction is interesting thoug....as soon as I brought the blame at BioWare's feet I get to be a hater....have I said something false? Have they not shamelessly lied to us in the worst ways possible without consideration or care?

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 avril 2012 - 09:03 .

[Esbatty]

Can we start a Retake-"Retake ME3" movement? I don't feel the current campaign is accomplishing its goals, instead its becoming hipsterish and douchey. Pretty soon it'll get a Kickstarter and there will be hats and a non-violent Tumblr repost-in. And that just makes me sad.

[tobiasks]

I don't really care much about this billboard thing, but that doesn't mean I won't hold the line.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

dallicant wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Oh who the hell cares what one group is doing the point is we all hate the ending. If this get's more attention to us the better.

That kind of thinking is part of the problem.  If we want BioWare to listen, we have to show that we are reasonable.  The extended DLC tells me that someone is listening, though maybe not in the way they'd want.  If BioWare really didn't care, they wouldn't bother.

Stuff like the billboard is just petulant and unreasonable.  We have to give BioWare a fair chance if we are to be taken seriously.  Otherwise we'll fully deserve criticisms of whininess and entitlement.

It's not like we are firebombing EA it's a freakign billboard for pete's sake which will be looked at at forgoten within 5 seconds by most people some might get curious at what the hell is going on and they either agree or disagree. I'm not spending any money on it if they want to it's their own bussiness.

[Laurencio]

Billboard idea? Uhm. What is that?

[Nyctyris]

Never joined it in the first place, I just disliked the ending. Definitely don't agree with that stupid billboard idea though it's just hurtful to what they're trying to achieve

[AngryFrozenWater]

Nachtdämmerung wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I have no idea what they think they'll accomplish with this, aside from giving the rest of us a headache.

Well it's tearing us / the movement / the fans, who disliked the ending / whatever apart so we're loose focus...does anyone remember the good old days when we fought for a better ending instead of each other? *sad*

Exactly. I only see energy put in reasons not to do something. Of course nobody comes up with a better idea. That's very effective.

[tenojitsu]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Haters just wanna hate, so keep on hating. The more reasonable part of this will take a step back and try to engage in dialogue with BioWare regarding the extended cut, not throw billboards in their face

No I don't want to hate but I remember who owns them and how little they cared about lying to us about the game. I absolutely cannot trust EA and I cannot trust BioWare to not do something if ordered by EA. I sure hope they deliver.

But back to the billboards, they really aren't the end of the world....just a little reminder that we're still very much watching. Plus if aimed at EA then that really shouldn't be an issue with anybody. The money we pay for BioWare products go to EA.....so should the consequences. Plus EA is in desperate need to be reminded that we won't be that easily pushed around.

This reaction is interesting thoug....as soon as I brought the blame at BioWare's feet I get to be a hater....have I said something false? Have they not shamelessly lied to us in the worst ways possible without consideration or care?

They are trying to make good, but seems like many people dont care anymore. They are just looking for blood at this point. The billboards make us look like immature, entitled children.....period.