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[Grudge_NL]

The RPGenius wrote...

This billboard idea sadly proves that the negative media coverage of the Retake movement is not always 100% inaccurate when it criticizes the intelligence of our members.

Indeed.

[ardias89]

Em were there multiple movements???

[FabricatedWookie]

tenojitsu wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

they didn't shout slander, they proposed an idea. An idea that is in the process of being rejected, but they are being treated like they have already set up the billboard.

From the discussions that I've read from holdtheline members on this forum, it isnt about is this a good idea or not, but where they should put the billboard. If this was a real discussion of whether or not its a good idea, the poll would include an option to vote against, but it doesnt.

Yes, I would attribute that to human error. Which I am familiar with, as I attribute it to how the endings got all wonky.

Human error only holds up until that error is pointed out to you. Just like the ending of ME3 is getting extended cut DLC after BioWare digested all of the feedback. Adding an option to a poll isnt nearly as complicated. When asking, "Where is the option for not liking the billboard idea" and getting the response "If we change the poll we'll lose 12 hours of votes" all I hear is, "Sorry, we arent changing the poll because we dont want to hear most people dont like the idea."

 So...more human error?

[Shaoken]

Faded-Myth wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

SoldierGryphon wrote...

I say we get some programmers, artists, and a publisher and make our own sci-fi trilogy.

I'll be the PR guy.

How good are you at making a lot of crazy promises?

No idea, but I can totally say that the game will be 16 different kinds of awesome.

Plus I'm three hours late, clearly that's a good sign for me.

[Aznable Char]

I said it on the other thread and I'll say it again here that it was rather prescient that the people at the facebook group decided to clarify who was associated with Retake and who wasn't . That said , this does indeed and will indeed taint the whole movement .

The worst part is that they have a chance to reverse it right now . The very fact that there's so much negativity about it as opposed to the universal acclaim among retakers with the child's play and cupcakes should cue them that they're making the same mistakes BioWare made with ignoring negative reaction , focusing on the good reviews , saying 'we are listening" but aren't changing anything .

The thing is so eerie .

[tenojitsu]

ardias89 wrote...

Em were there multiple movements???

The Retake thing here on BSN was so successful that people feeling the need to be cool and wanting to be the owner of the Retake idea started organizing different groups and websites. Holdtheline.com, RetakeMassEffect.org, the Retake Facebook page are a few. I'm sure there are a couple more. To fill you in, Forbes reported that RetakeMassEffect.org and Holdtheline.com have merged, and the Retake Facebook page does not support their billboard campaign

[Keatstwo]

Childs play was a good cause. This is just silly.

The extended endings are a fair compromise and the best that we could realistically hope for so let's see how they turn out before we start calling in airstrikes on EA HQ. Even if they aren't all that great I'm not going to let it spoil the franchise for me when the rest of the three games were absolute gold.

[katamuro]

I urge people to consider why they joined in the first place. We all joined because we wanted something better for our money, something better for 5 years and 3 games. That is why, not some people pulling crazy stunts or publicising themselves as the public faces of our many movements. Do not be discouraged by crazy ideas, and simply do what you have always done for the past month. Continue to participate in polls, BSN making videos and many other things that show bioware and other people that we still care that we havent abandoned hope.
Keep together and we might come out with at least some dignity intact.

[PaddlePop]

I think hold the wallet is a far more effective strategy than putting up a billboard. A billboard my generate some media coverage, but to be honest, how many people actually care? I can't remember the last time, I even cared to notice a billboard.

[GBGriffin]

tenojitsu wrote...

@Someguyukno & GBGriffin

You are both totally correct. Their dumb idea is tainting the whole movement.

It's an issue we've always faced throughout this whole thing:

One person, or a small group of people, get it into their heads that they speak for everyone when something like this doesn't really have a true leader or governing force.

Unfortunately, we've had peopel like this before (threads beginning with WE WANT ____, as examples) where someone broadens their views or personal observations and claims to speak for everyone in the hopes others will rally behind.

Some do, inevitably...but, yes, this also presents the opportunity for outside sources to latch on and say "Ah, this person uses "we", so let's assume he or she is peaking for everyone!"

Shortsighted posts like that hurt the movement because people take them and generalize. Outsiders have no reason to care if you're a member of this group or that; to them, all of us are fans...and when one fan claims to speak for the rest, of course they can point to him and her and say "This person claims to speak for you!"

[pikey1969]

PaddlePop wrote...

I think hold the wallet is a far more effective strategy than putting up a billboard. A billboard my generate some media coverage, but to be honest, how many people actually care? I can't remember the last time, I even cared to notice a billboard.

While I still it's kind of silly, Hold the Wallet is far more effective and eloquent, and something most sound minds can at LEAST respect, even those in the media.

[dbt-kenny]

it is only an idea you do not have to agree with it, and you do not have give cash for it.
it is PR that matter the more we get the more we might get a better free ending.

[Needsnewending]

Most people commenting about leaving is Working for BioWare, so... I know you guys who are Holding the Line, wont leave the Line!

[GBGriffin]

dbt-kenny wrote...

it is only an idea you do not have to agree with it, and you do not have give cash for it.
it is PR that matter the more we get the more we might get a better free ending.

Have you checked in on the thread lately? They're doubting their own campaign, asking HTL members to vote on it, but, more importantly, asking BSN members not to vote on it.

They seem to doubt whether or not this is even the best way to go about this.

There's also this:

KeilxKey wrote...


We're listenting to ALL OF YOUR concerns, and Micheal and me are discussing the best course to take with this. 

 

From the OP. Sounds like doubt

[Needsnewending]

ardias89 wrote...

Em were there multiple movements???

i`d say, the more movments, the stronger we are.. 

We have chinese movements, european movements, american movements, french movements,, KEEP EM COMMING!!

HOLD THE LINE!!

[pikey1969]

dbt-kenny wrote...

it is only an idea you do not have to agree with it, and you do not have give cash for it.
it is PR that matter the more we get the more we might get a better free ending.

I really had to stretch my imagination to even try and comprehend what you just typed there.

No, it's not 'only an idea,' especially if these idiots somehow get the money to do it and go ahead with this.

It sure as hell will be PR. PR (lol seriously? we have to worry about our Public Relations now?) will be entirely negative and attribute NOTHING towards getting a 'better free ending'.

Modifié par pikey1969, 10 avril 2012 - 11:15 .

[pikey1969]

GBGriffin wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

it is only an idea you do not have to agree with it, and you do not have give cash for it.
it is PR that matter the more we get the more we might get a better free ending.

Have you checked in on the thread lately? They're doubting their own campaign, asking HTL members to vote on it, but, more importantly, asking BSN members not to vote on it.

They seem to doubt whether or not this is even the best way to go about this.

There's also this:

KeilxKey wrote...


We're listenting to ALL OF YOUR concerns, and Micheal and me are discussing the best course to take with this. 

 

From the OP. Sounds like doubt

lol sounds like the same half-hearted anti-defeatism PR that 'pissed' them off so much in the first place.

[KONG33]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Infinityphoenix wrote...

The "Hold the Line" movement is behind the billboard, not the "Retake" movement.

And if you think any news outlet will differentiate between the two I have a nice bridge to sell you.

^this

[DamonD7]

dbt-kenny wrote...

it is PR that matter the more we get the more we might get a better free ending.

So this is a War Assets kinda thing?

[GBGriffin]

pikey1969 wrote...

lol sounds like the same half-hearted anti-defeatism PR that 'pissed' them off so much in the first place.

The parallels are there. Users have actually been compiling them throughout the thread, but, if anything, I think this might sound familair to all of us.

This was their response to the unthinkable notion that fans might not be behind the billboard 100%

KeilxKey wrote...

UPDATE 2:

Guys. I apoligize if have upset anyone. It's just that we've worked on this project for a month, and it's taken quite a effort to put this all together.

I also apoligize for some of my responses. I'm getting tired and a little cranky because of that.

We're listenting to ALL OF YOUR concerns, and Micheal and me are discussing the best course to take with this.

So sorry! I feel I've said some things I shouldn't have. I'll update you guys when I have further news.
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[Flextt]

I asked Hold the Line to clarfiy their agenda and distinct themselves from Retake, so that Retake would not take the brunt of repercussions associated with the billboard. Unfortunately, they see themselves as distinct, but did nothing to appear so. That there are plans to go through with it, is just sad, but I am happy to see, at least the FB page shows common sense.

[Needsnewending]

Yestordays interview from Eric from RetakeME3

[Jamie9]

Retake is an idea, not a group. If you are part of Retake, you support the idea of a new ending.

The groups are irrelevant. Just a means to an end.

There's no need to start getting angry or anything. Nothing has actually changed. Just your perception of things.

[dbt-kenny]

pikey1969 wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

it is only an idea you do not have to agree with it, and you do not have give cash for it.
it is PR that matter the more we get the more we might get a better free ending.

I really had to stretch my imagination to even try and comprehend what you just typed there.

No, it's not 'only an idea,' especially if these idiots somehow get the money to do it and go ahead with this.

It sure as hell will be PR. PR (lol seriously? we have to worry about our Public Relations now?) will be entirely negative and attribute NOTHING towards getting a 'better free ending'.

untill it is done it is still an idea. just like going to the moon was an idea untill we did it.

Do we have to worry about PR.
So what is the point of HTL or Retake movement then. is it not to show EA and Bioware that is customers are not happy with the game. And to show other people that did not buy the game that EA and Bioware have put out a game that not end in a manner EA and Bioware told it would. So making them think the next  EA Bioware game they thinking of buy might not live up to what they been told about the game. and so not pre order the game or not get the game at all.

If you think it will be Negative PR then that is up to you. you cannot please every one all the time after all.

[dbt-kenny]

sorry it posted 2 time ops

Modifié par dbt-kenny, 10 avril 2012 - 11:31 .