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[pikey1969]

GBGriffin wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

lol sounds like the same half-hearted anti-defeatism PR that 'pissed' them off so much in the first place.

The parallels are there. Users have actually been compiling them throughout the thread, but, if anything, I think this might sound familair to all of us.

This was their response to the unthinkable notion that fans might not be behind the billboard 100%

KeilxKey wrote...

UPDATE 2:

Guys. I apoligize if have upset anyone. It's just that we've worked on this project for a month, and it's taken quite a effort to put this all together.

I also apoligize for some of my responses. I'm getting tired and a little cranky because of that.

We're listenting to ALL OF YOUR concerns, and Micheal and me are discussing the best course to take with this.

So sorry! I feel I've said some things I shouldn't have. I'll update you guys when I have further news.
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I am inclined to believe that this is a satire like someone suggested earlier. Gentlemen, I bring you...

THE IRONY THEORY!

Modifié par pikey1969, 10 avril 2012 - 11:33 .

[Thornquist]

Hahaha, sweet irony.

This made my day.

[GreyLycanTrope]

The irony hurts me

[Huskeonkel]

I don't agree with the billboard idea at all, but I'm still holding the line.

[GBGriffin]

dbt-kenny wrote...

untill it is done it is still an idea. just like going to the moon was an idea untill we did it.

Do we have to worry about PR.
So what is the point of HTL or Retake movement then. is it not to show EA and Bioware that is customers are not happy with the game. And to show other people that did not buy the game that EA and Bioware have put out a game that not end in a manner EA and Bioware told it would. So making them think the next  EA Bioware game they thinking of buy might not live up to what they been told about the game. and so not pre order the game or not get the game at all.

If you think it will be Negative PR then that is up to you. you cannot please every one all the time after all.

It's an idea that we are trying to prevent from becoming more than just an idea

The difference is that those movements (maybe not HTL anymore) raised good publicity and support from the public. Sure, it attracted negative publicity as well, but they actually made the effort to remain civil and bolster their image. They cared about public opinion, and that was clear...after all, if the public backs us, it lends credibility to the cause. If they don't, then why care about things such as being called entitled?

This isn't about pleasing people. It's about trying to get them to avoid making a mistake that will cast doubt on all of us, the fans collectively. If we can prevent that, that will please me

[DnVill]

Just how many retakes are there now?

Retakers are starting to look like Cerberus splinter groups.

[DarkBladeX98]

BUT NO ONE PAYS ATTENTION TO BILLBOARDS!!!

[tenojitsu]

Let this thread die. It's served its purpose. The folks at holdtheline are aware of it, and hopefully dialogue will commence.

[pikey1969]

lol, now the 'clarifications' are coming in as to clear up their previous statements from the members of their 'creative team'.

guys, these guys are either completely clueless hyped up morons desperately looking to tie themselves to a cause, OR THEY'RE GENIUS.

Come on, work with me here, the Irony Theory is SOO compelling.

I think that's it. This a super-elaborate satire. This is brilliant.

Modifié par pikey1969, 10 avril 2012 - 11:53 .

[dbt-kenny]

GBGriffin wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

untill it is done it is still an idea. just like going to the moon was an idea untill we did it.

Do we have to worry about PR.
So what is the point of HTL or Retake movement then. is it not to show EA and Bioware that is customers are not happy with the game. And to show other people that did not buy the game that EA and Bioware have put out a game that not end in a manner EA and Bioware told it would. So making them think the next  EA Bioware game they thinking of buy might not live up to what they been told about the game. and so not pre order the game or not get the game at all.

If you think it will be Negative PR then that is up to you. you cannot please every one all the time after all.

It's an idea that we are trying to prevent from becoming more than just an idea

The difference is that those movements (maybe not HTL anymore) raised good publicity and support from the public. Sure, it attracted negative publicity as well, but they actually made the effort to remain civil and bolster their image. They cared about public opinion, and that was clear...after all, if the public backs us, it lends credibility to the cause. If they don't, then why care about things such as being called entitled?

This isn't about pleasing people. It's about trying to get them to avoid making a mistake that will cast doubt on all of us, the fans collectively. If we can prevent that, that will please me

I fail to see why the billboard would not be civil? the proposed billboard just say
"To Clarify: It needs a new ending"

hard to see what is people can get upset about that. does not even say for what after all.

[Thornquist]

pikey1969 wrote...

lol, now the 'clarifications' are coming in as to clear up their previous statements from the members of their 'creative team'.

guys, these guys are either completely clueless hyped up morons desperately looking to tie themselves to a cause, OR THEY'RE GENIUS.

Come on, work with me here, the Irony Theory is SOO compelling.

I think that's it. This a super-elaborate satire. This is brilliant.

IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE!

Quick! Make a compelling Youtube video!

[sarahann62380]

I'm indifferent to the billboard idea, so why I'm even here is beyond me. It was a fun idea that may have gotten a little out of hand. If the majority of people want to do it, that's fine. I don't think that I will contribute to this, although it doesn't mean I'm necessarily against it. If it is something that people think is actually a good idea, go right ahead. I think having it up for maybe a month is sufficient, though. More than that and I do believe it is overkill. Although I'm more of a fan of the smaller things, i.e., the letter writing and the cupcakes. This may be just a bit too much, but I won't jump ship because of it. That's just silly. We all want the same thing, so to jump ship over this is, really, well silly. Also I'd prefer this way over people attacking BioWare employees on their Twitter accounts. That is what frustrates me. Now that's not helping at all.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

meh don't care but I would get behind it just too see the billboard art

[McAllyster]

[copypaste from the other billboard topic]

This billboard idea could have generate more media coverage - because it is not an avarage action.

Facebook communities have some impact - but often you need "offline" acitons too. Sometimes you have to reinforce messages with offline actions. Sometimes online simply doesn't enough.

Let's face it:
- Child's play movement was fantastic... but shutted down.
- Cupcake action was sweet, intelligent and funny... but Bioware evaded.

If the community thinks "billboard is too rude"... I don't agree with this opinion but I think we should drop it. We have act in unity.

However... if we drop this idea we have to find out a new action. Not a repeated action like new charity or new cupcakes but something entirely new thing.

Because we have to hold the line. We have to do new actions to generate again media coverage. Why? Because this heat the only way to influence the decision makers. There are tipping points where such a company like EA have to respond to their customers on the most appropriate way. We have to reach a point where the cost of "denial" is too much - where EA realises: the "cheaper" action is to create a new, satisfying ending.

Plus...

IMHO we should realize: this debate has a larger scale. This is not just about ME3 ending. This is about the whole industry.

If we lose... than the major publishers will learn one thing: with enough patience they can survive any controversy. They can do any new releases on the "usual way". Rushed development cycles, PR double-talkings, etc...

But if we win... that's a clear message to the studios: "You have to take care of your CUSTOMERS." Because we are not just "players", entitled fans, etc. We are PAYING CUSTOMERS. You have to answer well to our demands.

So...

Let's put aside this billboard campaign idea. What kind of community action should we do next?

[GBGriffin]

McAllyster wrote...

So...

Let's put aside this billboard campaign idea. What kind of community action should we do next?

And, to reiterate, just accept the EC and, if you feel the need to protest it, wait until it's released.

They've made it clear that it's their solution, and that no more ending dlc will be forthcoming. 

Why not just wait? Again, just as IT theorists believe everything has to mean something...why can't we just wait and see?

[Narkeh]

What I would do is send Bioware a bunch of multi-colored Helium balloons with the explicit instructions to release ALL but Red/Green/Blue. Of course Bioware might just give those to charity and say 'we had more but we released them'

[LolaLei]

It's not worth breaking Retake up, just try to make the OP of the bilboard idea see that it's a counterproductive idea.

[LolaLei]

What about a fan made video featuring as many of us that want to take part, voicing our distaste for the endings?

[jstme]

dbt-kenny wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

untill it is done it is still an idea. just like going to the moon was an idea untill we did it.

Do we have to worry about PR.
So what is the point of HTL or Retake movement then. is it not to show EA and Bioware that is customers are not happy with the game. And to show other people that did not buy the game that EA and Bioware have put out a game that not end in a manner EA and Bioware told it would. So making them think the next  EA Bioware game they thinking of buy might not live up to what they been told about the game. and so not pre order the game or not get the game at all.

If you think it will be Negative PR then that is up to you. you cannot please every one all the time after all.

It's an idea that we are trying to prevent from becoming more than just an idea

The difference is that those movements (maybe not HTL anymore) raised good publicity and support from the public. Sure, it attracted negative publicity as well, but they actually made the effort to remain civil and bolster their image. They cared about public opinion, and that was clear...after all, if the public backs us, it lends credibility to the cause. If they don't, then why care about things such as being called entitled?

This isn't about pleasing people. It's about trying to get them to avoid making a mistake that will cast doubt on all of us, the fans collectively. If we can prevent that, that will please me

I fail to see why the billboard would not be civil? the proposed billboard just say
"To Clarify: It needs a new ending"

hard to see what is people can get upset about that. does not even say for what after all.

It is not about message being civil or not. Bioware declared the clarification dlc after their PR department started loosing in media war. Fans managed to break through "vocal minority made of entitled whiners wanting sugar ending despite artistic integrity" defences and deliver the point about endings and promisses being broken.
Now,after that Bioware stated that it is releasing free dlc ,continuing massive media attack on the company prior to the release of that thing will cause loss of any gains in media front, Bioware will be spinned by pr guys into innocent martyr victim of nerdrage despite Biioware's good intentions and above mentioned "vocal minority" fortifications will be again in PR guys hands. They will be free to release whatever junk they want since we will have to fight again from zero and not from current positions and in the second time it will be hopeless.

[dbt-kenny]

GBGriffin wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

So...

Let's put aside this billboard campaign idea. What kind of community action should we do next?

And, to reiterate, just accept the EC and, if you feel the need to protest it, wait until it's released.

They've made it clear that it's their solution, and that no more ending dlc will be forthcoming. 

Why not just wait? Again, just as IT theorists believe everything has to mean something...why can't we just wait and see?

As it is not what I have asked for. yes they can close of the plot holes, but it is still pick a door ending. Bioware told this would not happen at the ending as late as January.

Modifié par dbt-kenny, 10 avril 2012 - 12:13 .

[Thornquist]

GBGriffin wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

So...

Let's put aside this billboard campaign idea. What kind of community action should we do next?

And, to reiterate, just accept the EC and, if you feel the need to protest it, wait until it's released.

They've made it clear that it's their solution, and that no more ending dlc will be forthcoming. 

Why not just wait? Again, just as IT theorists believe everything has to mean something...why can't we just wait and see?

This. I'm so sick and tired of everyone starting petitions, movements, protest rallies, political campaigns and food donations over a videogame. I am pretty sure that Bioware would have made this DLC without all these mentioned above, simply because they care about their fanbase.

And I am pretty sure that this is as far as they will go. So take a step back, relax - and enjoy the summer. We could all need some sunshine right about now.

[GBGriffin]

dbt-kenny wrote...


I fail to see why the billboard would not be civil? the proposed billboard just say
"To Clarify: It needs a new ending"

hard to see what is people can get upset about that. does not even say for what after all.

If you seriously think that raising $9,000 to protest a product (remember, that's what we're doing; customers criticizing a product, not fans raging) is a civil, logical, and appropriate response to dissatisfaction, then I can't help you. I'm not sure what you've experienced to rationalize that it's a reasonable thing to do.

You're right, though. It doesn't even say for what...so then what's the point of raising that $9,000 for a billboard to raise awareness for something that can't even be made clear? How is that a good idea when you can't even list the thing you're trying to raise awareness for?

dbt-kenny wrote...



As it is not what I have asked for. yes they can close of the plot holes, but it is still pick a door ending. Bioware told this would not happen at the ending as late as January.

So? They've made their announcement, and you think we'll get a second one? Look at how much effort it took to even get them to make this concession that they MIGHT have made a mistake.

I'm also willing to bet that what you want and how you think it should happen isn't universal; IT variations show me that much. Sorry you didn't get what you, specifically dbt-kenny, wanted, but that doesn't mean that protesting will get you exactly what you, dbt-kenny, think should happen.

[GBGriffin]

To close with the restaurant analogy so many people love to use (the one that, in general, talks about sending back a steak:

If I order a steak from a restaurant, and I don't get what I want, do I send the steak back, or do I erect a billboard over New York City to announce my dissatisfaction without even mentioning the name of the restaurant for legal reasons.

[dbt-kenny]

jstme wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

untill it is done it is still an idea. just like going to the moon was an idea untill we did it.

Do we have to worry about PR.
So what is the point of HTL or Retake movement then. is it not to show EA and Bioware that is customers are not happy with the game. And to show other people that did not buy the game that EA and Bioware have put out a game that not end in a manner EA and Bioware told it would. So making them think the next  EA Bioware game they thinking of buy might not live up to what they been told about the game. and so not pre order the game or not get the game at all.

If you think it will be Negative PR then that is up to you. you cannot please every one all the time after all.

It's an idea that we are trying to prevent from becoming more than just an idea

The difference is that those movements (maybe not HTL anymore) raised good publicity and support from the public. Sure, it attracted negative publicity as well, but they actually made the effort to remain civil and bolster their image. They cared about public opinion, and that was clear...after all, if the public backs us, it lends credibility to the cause. If they don't, then why care about things such as being called entitled?

This isn't about pleasing people. It's about trying to get them to avoid making a mistake that will cast doubt on all of us, the fans collectively. If we can prevent that, that will please me

I fail to see why the billboard would not be civil? the proposed billboard just say
"To Clarify: It needs a new ending"

hard to see what is people can get upset about that. does not even say for what after all.

It is not about message being civil or not. Bioware declared the clarification dlc after their PR department started loosing in media war. Fans managed to break through "vocal minority made of entitled whiners wanting sugar ending despite artistic integrity" defences and deliver the point about endings and promisses being broken.
Now,after that Bioware stated that it is releasing free dlc ,continuing massive media attack on the company prior to the release of that thing will cause loss of any gains in media front, Bioware will be spinned by pr guys into innocent martyr victim of nerdrage despite Biioware's good intentions and above mentioned "vocal minority" fortifications will be again in PR guys hands. They will be free to release whatever junk they want since we will have to fight again from zero and not from current positions and in the second time it will be hopeless.

I see your point and it is well made. But the wait and see is what Bioware is counting on.
They have said the EC will not have any new endings. It will only clarify the ending we have. This is not what I and a lot of the movement have been asking for. We need to put the message out there on this point. And keep pointing it out so the fuss does not die down until we win. We can point to the fact that Bioware first said it was only “vocal minority” we this “vocal minority” raised 80K until the rug was pull from under our feet. We can point to that as well.
If we do it right we can spin there PR right back at them.
Waiting until we get an EC is not going to work. If you cannot see that, then you have a differing opinion than me. And to me is wrong.