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[Eain]

I remembered this gem so I decided to dig it up:

"It would be sorta boring, playing in a wasteland, that would be the DLC if we did it after [the end of the game]."

Now this interview dates back to February, meaning that in February the ending was pretty much definitive. Makes sense, that close to release. It does place his pre-launch statements in an interesting light (and by that I mean: he was telling nonsense) since he told us the Rachni would play an important role in the final battle when he evidently knew that they did not. So what was that about?

But what really gets me is that Bioware is massively backtracking on their ending as it is. We've got their folks all over twitter and the forums and conventions going "oh but the universe isn't over, and the relays didn't blow up like in arrival, and we never thought the fans would think that the universe would be in such a bad shape".

I'm sorry, what?

MAC WALTERS SAID THAT THE UNIVERSE WAS IN A BAD SHAPE.

He literally says it, right there! I mean what the hell. Moreover this puts Bioware's artistic integrity argument in a horrible light, because if they're backtracking on Walters' original vision for the ending then they are backtracking, period. And backtracking means not sticking to your artistic guts. Now mind you I never wanted them to do that in the first place. But why are we being fed this blatant PR nonsense about how they're proud of the team's artistic vision, when that same artistic vision as articulated by Walters in the interview I linked above is already being backtracked on?

Why not just go all the way and cull Spacekid in its entirety?

I'm just baffled, really.

[GBGriffin]

Relax. It all takes place in Shepard's head. Everything from the beam to the credits never happened. The galaxy is fine.


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[Slayer299]

IT you mean?

[clamj00ce]

yeah it's so sad they did this to the Mass Effect Universe

[Eain]

Actually whatever hope remained for the indoctrination theory is killed by that one statement of Walters. The galaxy is a wasteland, period. There can't be post ending DLC, because the galaxy is messed up. It's not in Shepard's head, it happened.

[MattFini]

 I remember this, too.

It's possible that BioWare has gently begun to backpedal on what was the original intent of the ending by suggesting these "No, the Geth can live if you chose destroy" / "Don't worry the galaxy is fine!" types of sentiments recently.
This tells me that it's possible they did originally plan to leave the galaxy in a pit of despair originally (for some reason), but the fan reaction has convinced them otherwise.
But who knows.  They've been way too vague to know for sure.  This is just more speculation. 

Modifié par MattFini, 10 avril 2012 - 12:40 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

GBGriffin wrote...

Relax. It all takes place in Shepard's head. Everything from the beam to the credits never happened. The galaxy is fine.


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I want to believe you, I really do. But IT ain't happening.

[Red Dust]

When Tolkien was ready to release the first book in his new trilogy "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of The Ring", he moved into print a new copy of his already popular book The Hobbit with a heavily edited "Riddles in the Dark" chapter, to more seamlessly bridge the two works.

Tolkien had no artistic integrity, which is why in 60 years no one will remember him. But we'll totally be talking about Bioware and Mass Effect.

Modifié par Red Dust, 10 avril 2012 - 12:41 .

[Eain]

Red Dust wrote...

When Tolkien was ready to release the first book in his new trilogy "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of The Ring", he moved into print a new copy of his already popular book The Hobbit with a heavily edited "Riddles in the Dark" chapter, to more seamlessly bridge the two works.

Tolkien had no artistic integrity, which is why in 60 years no one will remember him. But we'll totally be talking about Bioware and Mass Effect.

Yeah people will be taking lessons in how not to write trilogies based on this, haha.

[T-0pel]

well to be fair even if you could destroy only the reapers and keep relays intact, the universe is still pretty much f*cked up. Every citadel species homeworld is a burning husk, most of the other planets were also hit more or less. An aftermath of the this war can be clasified as a wasteland.

[Peranor]

Yeah, I noticed that comment right away when I watched that video the first time.
It's pretty clear. The galaxy isn't just only in a "bad shape" its a total wasteland

So there you go. Proof once again that Shepard is the ultimate badass!
Not only does he get to commit genocide, destroy the mass relays and turn the galaxy in to a wasteland. He gets to destroy an entire gaming franchise as well. 

Modifié par anorling, 10 avril 2012 - 12:50 .

[Iwillbeback]

Eain wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

When Tolkien was ready to release the first book in his new trilogy "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of The Ring", he moved into print a new copy of his already popular book The Hobbit with a heavily edited "Riddles in the Dark" chapter, to more seamlessly bridge the two works.

Tolkien had no artistic integrity, which is why in 60 years no one will remember him. But we'll totally be talking about Bioware and Mass Effect.

Yeah people will be taking lessons in how not to write trilogies based on this, haha.

At the start of every board meeting about where the story will go there will be a Slide show on Mass effect  and how to not ruin the story.
It will be legendary and the galaxy will remember us for standing up for what we believe in.

[Capeo]

I think with their "clarifications" they are going to backpedal on this a bit now and have a couple somewhat rosier epilogues. It is clear the original intent was basically to annihilate the universe though.

[Total Biscuit]

Hasn't he said he's burnt out on Mass Effect now?

Honestly, I'm hoping that means he won't be involved in ME4. It doesn't matter what he intended, if it's not shown, it didn't happen, and hopefully the rest of the writers being involved with the EC will reign in alot of this overwhelmingly bleak dark age bollocks since that's going to be a bloody nightmare to write more Mass Effect with and have it feel like the same franchise for anyone staying on the project.

His vision had a chance, almost no one liked it, so they shoul let the other writers have a go at making the same ending without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and hopefully including things like choice, logic and continuity.

[veramis]

Why is he holding his hands that way? Does he think it raises his reputation level? I really hate seeing videos of Walter and Hudson because all I see are people who are pure ego.

[Eain]

Capeo wrote...

I think with their "clarifications" they are going to backpedal on this a bit now and have a couple somewhat rosier epilogues. It is clear the original intent was basically to annihilate the universe though.

Exactly. So I don't get why they basically assume that we're massive idiots who'll believe whatever we're being told. Who was it again that said that they never thought we would've interpreted the exploding relays and the milky way going rampant as the end of the universe?

Because it's pretty clear that it was intended going by what Walters says.

[Elyiia]

Wiping out a universe which people have spent hours getting attached to is such a dumb idea. There was no way it was going to be released without outcry.

[Eain]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Hasn't he said he's burnt out on Mass Effect now?

Honestly, I'm hoping that means he won't be involved in ME4. It doesn't matter what he intended, if it's not shown, it didn't happen, and hopefully the rest of the writers being involved with the EC will reign in alot of this overwhelmingly bleak dark age bollocks since that's going to be a bloody nightmare to write more Mass Effect with and have it feel like the same franchise for anyone staying on the project.

His vision had a chance, almost no one liked it, so they shoul let the other writers have a go at making the same ending without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and hopefully including things like choice, logic and continuity.

This is interesting I think. Maybe if Walters isn't involved in producing the extended cut it'll actually be good. Let's hope.

[anlk92]

Yeah it is clear from both the Normandy and the Stargazer scenes that they intended for the events of the ending to be the end of galactic civilization for a long time to come. But they can backtrack on these behind the scenes things much more easily saying that people interpreted them in a way they did not intend to. They may even end up removing scenes like the Normandy running away (if they can't come up with proper explanations) by saying that with additional closure they put in there was no longer a need for them.

Elyiia wrote...

Wiping out a universe which people have spent hours getting attached to is such a dumb idea. There was no way it was going to be released without outcry.

They already knew that.

But they kind of underestimated it. Somehow.

Modifié par anlk92, 10 avril 2012 - 01:00 .

[Icinix]

They definitely intended the galaxy to be the way it was. The just didn't realise the fans would explode.

[Myskal1981]

Well, please keep in mind that even after destroying the Reapers
- Palaven lays in ruins
- Earth lays in ruins
- Thessia lays in ruins
- Volus, Elcor home planets were attacked
- Quarians lost a big bunch of their fleet
Nearly all colonies have been destroyed or devastated, the Batarians are practically extinct, all other fleets suffered heavy losses.
So even if the Relays did not destroy everything, the galaxy is still pretty much a wasteland. Would not put too much emphasize on his words, it depends on how you define wasteland.

[Eain]

Myskal1981 wrote...

Well, please keep in mind that even after destroying the Reapers
- Palaven lays in ruins
- Earth lays in ruins
- Thessia lays in ruins
- Volus, Elcor home planets were attacked
- Quarians lost a big bunch of their fleet
Nearly all colonies have been destroyed or devastated, the Batarians are practically extinct, all other fleets suffered heavy losses.
So even if the Relays did not destroy everything, the galaxy is still pretty much a wasteland. Would not put too much emphasize on his words, it depends on how you define wasteland.

Well the Reapers don't destroy planets, and there's plenty of em out there that they never landed on because it didn't have native advanced life. I mean yes, Earth and Thessia etc are all ruins but ruins can be rebuilt and the beauty of these worlds is still out there.

I'm pretty sure that the wasteland remark references the entire galaxy's relay network exploding and giving planets the Aratoht treatment.

Modifié par Eain, 10 avril 2012 - 12:59 .

[Pyromatic Tabby]

Eain wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...

*Snip*

This is interesting I think. Maybe if Walters isn't involved in producing the extended cut it'll actually be good. Let's hope.

Considering they're adding onto the ending (that I believe was the work of Walters and Casey) we'll still have an ending with that bleak overtone, It just might have a happy puppy somewhere in it this time.

[Capeo]

Eain wrote...

Capeo wrote...

I think with their "clarifications" they are going to backpedal on this a bit now and have a couple somewhat rosier epilogues. It is clear the original intent was basically to annihilate the universe though.

Exactly. So I don't get why they basically assume that we're massive idiots who'll believe whatever we're being told. Who was it again that said that they never thought we would've interpreted the exploding relays and the milky way going rampant as the end of the universe?

Because it's pretty clear that it was intended going by what Walters says.

In the very least you can surmise from his quote that we weren't unfounded for assuming, given that the wave destroys the Normandy and the epilogue implies there is no space travel even far in the future, that all spacefaring technology was destroyed as well.  At least in the Destroy option.  Then you have the fact that Normandy crashes and we get the same epilogue in the other two?  It makes no sense because I can't see why the less destructive choices are still so destructive, but the implication is still there.

[evisneffo]

That's great! I'm now picturing Fallout as a sequel to Mass Effect. All that rubble ... at least it's artistic.

Modifié par evisneffo, 10 avril 2012 - 01:04 .