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[ed87]

Dont believe everything you hear from Bioware

[ulfrgrimdark]

ZeoxPT wrote...



Maybe ME can move away to a strategy role-playing game where you control a faction of a race trying to re-establish their place in the galaxy while keeping solid RPG themes intact. Think Starcraft II. BioWare is venturing into the strategy realm with the new C&C game, so this wouldn't be so farfetched. Could even be an MMO, as long as it is done properly.

Or open the door to an MMO where the players have to rebuild the galaxy.

[Siansonea]

ed87 wrote...

Dont believe everything anything you hear from Bioware

FTFY

[NM_Che56]

screenshot from Mass Effect 4 (after ME3)




hehe

[recentio]

ZeoxPT wrote...

I'm personally quite OK with a wrecked galaxy. After an invasion of allmighty god-machines, it pretty much makes sense. It also lays out a myriad of ways on how the Mass Effect series can progress from here. New games focusing on rebuilding the galaxy, political fallout from the Reaper war, old allies turning on each other and new friendships being born from the rubble, etc.

Maybe ME can move away to a strategy role-playing game where you control a faction of a race trying to re-establish their place in the galaxy while keeping solid RPG themes intact. Think Starcraft II. BioWare is venturing into the strategy realm with the new C&C game, so this wouldn't be so farfetched. Could even be an MMO, as long as it is done properly.

I agree with this, at least as one option. It would be nice to have a "universe devastated" as well as a "universe mostly okay" ending. The existence of the significantly different alternative would deepen the meaning of each by their contrasts with the other. Then you could write a story in either universe or in a universe where they are parallel realities that get some cross-over-raids or something to solve problems...could be very interesting aftermath.

The problem is its all SPECULATION. Without canon or consistency (eg. mass relay explosion now for some arbitrary reason doesn't destroy whole star system? how know this without fanwanking?), there's no foundation of truth for imagination to spring off of and the mind is left tangled in a limbo of ambiguities. 

[Nerevar-as]

Siansonea II wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Dont believe everything anything you hear from Bioware

FTFY

You beat me to it.

Although you can believe them, if you do it literally word for word.

[marshkoala]

@Uilleand
Thanks......I need them too!!!
Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 1 & 2 are the best series ever to pull me in emotionally as a gamer.
I don't want that ruined.......in every country around the world people are participating in getting the endings changed......it gives me hope that someone somewhere will reach Bioware.

[ahandsomeshark]

the answer is speculation

[eddieoctane]

If Mac is burned out on Mass Effect, just bring Drew back and let him put his magic back into the series.

[Menalaos1971]

eddieoctane wrote...

If Mac is burned out on Mass Effect, just bring Drew back and let him put his magic back into the series.

Sadly, I think Drew Karpyshyn is burned out on Bioware.  Between them screwing up his masterpiece, and SWTOR, I doubt he'll ever be coming back.

[Dominator24]

javierabegazo wrote...

The more and more I read of official comments on the "artistic choices" made for the ending of the trilogy, the more sad I am, especially since a lot of my favorite people have left BioWare, namely Christina Norman, Brent Knowles, and especially Jesse Houston.


My only consolation is that The Witcher 2 is coming out in a week.

You should like it and here is a small quote from RPGamer interview


RPG: With new questlines being added into the Enhanced Edition, where will they fit in terms of the game's structure?
MS:
We've extended the final chapter of the game. Gamers told us that this
act was too short, that's why we decided to add the content here. So you
will receive 4 hours of additional gameplay – which gives over 40 hours
in total. There are also 3 new major characters and new locations we
prepared for you.


The new adventures will close loose ends in the story. This chapter has
also the most of the new cut-scenes. Our idea was to make an even more
epic ending to our game, so that's what we did. I hope you enjoy, what
we've prepared.


It's rare among developers to spend almost a year to polish the things
in a way their community wanted, but that's what we did and I'm glad
that The Witcher 2 will hit Xbox in its most bountiful version –
this means that the arcade arena mode and tutorials we introduced
earlier to the game are also a part of it.


I feel proud that CDPR is a developer for my country. And the best thing is that, that from what I read the want to make a new AAA tile in the sci fi genre.

Modifié par Dominator24, 10 avril 2012 - 04:44 .

[Agiyosi]

I don't mind that the galaxy becomes a wasteland, or at least, to a degree. I can take the spin on the mass relays not going supernova like in Arrival and therefore not wiping out adjacent star systems. I think a crippled galaxy offers tons of interesting gaming potential. Galactic reconstruction. The scramble for new technologies. Trying to rebuild the relays and more advanced FTL. Etc.

The problem is how we get to that point. The ending was so disjointed and out of tune with the rest of the trilogy that it is hard to accept the consequences thereafter. I would love to be able to pick up another ME game, create a customized Drell assassin to explore a devastated galaxy with, but I wouldn't give them my business to do so based on how my journey with Shepard concluded. Not cool. 

[goose2989]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

If Mac is burned out on Mass Effect, just bring Drew back and let him put his magic back into the series.

Sadly, I think Drew Karpyshyn is burned out on Bioware.  Between them screwing up his masterpiece, and SWTOR, I doubt he'll ever be coming back.

An offer of increased freedom from outside influence would bring him back. But that of course means he would have to be given that... I don't see it happening that way

[Roguekad]

Eain wrote...

Actually whatever hope remained for the indoctrination theory is killed by that one statement of Walters. The galaxy is a wasteland, period. There can't be post ending DLC, because the galaxy is messed up. It's not in Shepard's head, it happened.

He also killed any idea of ME IP after this too. Unless they're going to do prequel or Fallout in space-like post game.

[Dominator24]

balance5050 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Dominator24 wrote...

Sparse wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Starkid nevers says all technology. He specifically said Reapers, synthetics(Geth), and Relays.

He says either 'most' or 'much' of the technology (I can't remember which) that you rely on. Which implies a hell of a lot more than just synthetics.
 

Im not sure what people are seeing in the star gazer scene to suggest we still are not in space that long after, the kid asks if he can go into space, Aldrin says "Someday" suggesting in that kids lifetime,

Doesn't he say 'we' go to the stars rather 'I'. There's a world of difference.

Not only that, he says Shepard will die to because hes "part" synthetic. So yeah His statmes was painting a very bleak future in destroy ending.

No he doesn't.  He says the geth will die.  After that he mentions "even you are partly synthetic" as a sidebar.  He never directly says Shep would die.

He does need those synthetics to live though.

www.youtube.com/watch
casper: You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want . Even you are partly synthetic. Thats what he says. And the way he says it implies that "YES" you would die because of this to.

Modifié par Dominator24, 10 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Capeo]

Dominator24 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Dominator24 wrote...

Sparse wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Starkid nevers says all technology. He specifically said Reapers, synthetics(Geth), and Relays.

He says either 'most' or 'much' of the technology (I can't remember which) that you rely on. Which implies a hell of a lot more than just synthetics.
 

Im not sure what people are seeing in the star gazer scene to suggest we still are not in space that long after, the kid asks if he can go into space, Aldrin says "Someday" suggesting in that kids lifetime,

Doesn't he say 'we' go to the stars rather 'I'. There's a world of difference.

Not only that, he says Shepard will die to because hes "part" synthetic. So yeah His statmes was painting a very bleak future in destroy ending.

No he doesn't.  He says the geth will die.  After that he mentions "even you are partly synthetic" as a sidebar.  He never directly says Shep would die.

He does need those synthetics to live though.

www.youtube.com/watch
casper: You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want . Even you are partly synthetic. Thats what he says. And the way he says it implies that "YES" you would die because of this to.

There is no such implication.  You're leaving a whole sentence out.  Given that even as far back as the script that was only one you can survive you're clearly wrong.

[FlamingBoy]

oh, that hurts never realized how badly they messed it up

[Dominator24]

Capeo wrote...

Dominator24 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Dominator24 wrote...

Sparse wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Starkid nevers says all technology. He specifically said Reapers, synthetics(Geth), and Relays.

He says either 'most' or 'much' of the technology (I can't remember which) that you rely on. Which implies a hell of a lot more than just synthetics.
 

Im not sure what people are seeing in the star gazer scene to suggest we still are not in space that long after, the kid asks if he can go into space, Aldrin says "Someday" suggesting in that kids lifetime,

Doesn't he say 'we' go to the stars rather 'I'. There's a world of difference.

Not only that, he says Shepard will die to because hes "part" synthetic. So yeah His statmes was painting a very bleak future in destroy ending.

No he doesn't.  He says the geth will die.  After that he mentions "even you are partly synthetic" as a sidebar.  He never directly says Shep would die.

He does need those synthetics to live though.

www.youtube.com/watch
casper: You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want . Even you are partly synthetic. Thats what he says. And the way he says it implies that "YES" you would die because of this to.

There is no such implication.  You're leaving a whole sentence out.  Given that even as far back as the script that was only one you can survive you're clearly wrong.

Watch the video thats what he is saying nothig more. Clearly you're delusional.
Edit: yeah Shepard can make a breath but in this time in time we don't know if he's Alive or just a midless plant or worse.

Modifié par Dominator24, 10 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[Eain]

tamperous wrote...
We don't know who's in charge in Edmonton. Is it Gamble and Weekes? Is it EA. Lot's of fun speculation.

This line never gets old, haha. One to add to the chronicles of gaming, for sure.

[pottypenguin]

I don’t have it, but from what I’ve read in other places the final hours app has Mr. Hudson stating that any future Mass Effect content would occur before ME3. Basically Mr. Hudson was tired of the current universe, so, he basically took it upon himself to blow it up (lots of speculation).

The problem I’m seeing is that they have a lot of content based on the franchise. DLC, animated series, movie, books, comics, action figures, models, collectable, merchandise, future games, etc that will no longer have an audience because there’s no interest in a universe that’s perceived as being destroyed.

That’s a horrible business platform right there if I ever saw one. Destroying a very passionate fan base with all this planned content in the future could be disastrous. If it wasn’t for this I don’t think we would be seeing any changes, but now I’m seeing two possible outcomes.

The ending DLC is going to be weak and is nothing more than a delay tactic to encourage people to hold on to their game. They will claim they made an effort and have the gaming media proclaim they made a compromise more fitting then us whinny entitled lot deserve. While, blindly assuming their fan base will have calmed down enough to have reached the acceptance stage, and continue to support them. If that’s the case, I think their going to have an apathetic (err angry) ex fan base.

Or, they’re actually going to put some real effort into the ending DLC, and take some serious liberties with their so called artist integrity while claiming it’s what that had intended all along. The fact that it’s so ambiguous and vague it shouldn’t be so hard to spin especially if they restore faith in the process.

I’ll give them the chance, but I’d rather stay pessimistic rather than get my hopes up just to get kicked in the sack again.

Lots of speculation from everyone, and so on and so forth until the end of days.

[Balmung31]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Hopefully not. 

Weekes and the twitter feed have both hinted that things are going to be given a more optimistic and satisfying spin in the EC. They've specifically talked about the fleets getting home, Tali and Garrus getting back to their home worlds, and a reunion between Shepard and the Normandy crew if they all survive, which would mean not only would the Normandy crew get rescued but that obviously galactic civilisation would be intact, even if it was in a horrible state, and the loss of the Relays would make everything harder from now on.

It'd still be an ending with hope, and an actual bittersweet ending, even if it was keeping all the incredibly badly written stuff intact.

It'd still make the ending acceptable, so hopefully they're not just lying again.

This gives me a very strong sense of hope, but I hope you can understand me asking what tweets exactly you are referring to when making this statement.  I'm not questioning your integrity, mind you.  It's more that, considering all the contradictions and backpedaling Bioware is doing, I need to see SOMETHING that's more concrete. 

Also, why do you think that THIS time they mean what they say? 

[Fnork]

Don't they want to make money ? How is turning the galaxy into a wasteland going to help future sales of new mass effect content ? How did the writers even get away with it in the first place ?

[jumpingkaede]

"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.".

Was there anyone who was "extremely happy" from this ending? Anyone?

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 10 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[nitefyre410]

Roguekad wrote...

Eain wrote...

Actually whatever hope remained for the indoctrination theory is killed by that one statement of Walters. The galaxy is a wasteland, period. There can't be post ending DLC, because the galaxy is messed up. It's not in Shepard's head, it happened.

He also killed any idea of ME IP after this too. Unless they're going to do prequel or Fallout in space-like post game.

  

Oh he has not killed it but its as close to dead as he could have gotten to it  

As long as his name or Hudson name is attached to it ME  it will be poisoned.   If they were going to do anything Mass Effect. I would say a complete restart and redux of the whole thing  with a new creative team. Same characters  re-envisioned this is only way I  can see them moving forward. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 10 avril 2012 - 05:51 .

[Robhuzz]

Eain wrote...

Actually whatever hope remained for the indoctrination theory is killed by that one statement of Walters. The galaxy is a wasteland, period. There can't be post ending DLC, because the galaxy is messed up. It's not in Shepard's head, it happened.

The galaxy is a wasteland regardless of what happens in the ending. Earth is in ruins, Palavan is one big pile of rubble, Thessia has burned down to the ground, same for just about every other planet the Reapers visited. I'd call that a wasteland, whether the relays are destroyed or not.

"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.".

Was there anyone who was "extremely happy" from this ending? Anyone? 

Emos?

Modifié par Robhuzz, 10 avril 2012 - 05:53 .