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[Eain]

jumpingkaede wrote...

"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.".

Was there anyone who was "extremely happy" from this ending? Anyone?

Probably Paul Tassi. Suddenly people know who he is.

[Gibsn]

Quotes once more condemn/Bioware to the s-tpen.

[Ieldra]

recentio wrote...
I agree with this, at least as one option. It would be nice to have a "universe devastated" as well as a "universe mostly okay" ending. The existence of the significantly different alternative would deepen the meaning of each by their contrasts with the other. Then you could write a story in either universe or in a universe where they are parallel realities that get some cross-over-raids or something to solve problems...could be very interesting aftermath.

As an option, yes. For instance, we could speculate that what happens to Earth in the low EMS endings happens to other worlds as well, with only worlds far trom relays spared that fate. The problem was always that the galaxy and everything in it was screwed in all of the endings.

And I think it is correct that this "wasteland" was the original vision and they're thankfully (*big sigh of relief*) backtracking on that. And hopefully no more of this thrice-damned Garden Eden back to nature nonsense.

The problem is its all SPECULATION. Without canon or consistency (eg. mass relay explosion now for some arbitrary reason doesn't destroy whole star system? how know this without fanwanking?), there's no foundation of truth for imagination to spring off of and the mind is left tangled in a limbo of ambiguities.

Yep, that's what I said in my post in the "Suggested changes" thread. It needs to be abundantly clear in which variants of the endings the relays (a) are damaged but repairable, ( destroyed without further repercussions for the star systems, or © destroyed and irradiating their star systems. Speculation is nice, but we need a foundation, a common ground where we can anchor it. I expect the Extended Cut to clear things up in that regard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[fearan1]

I think the universe was toast Mac Walters quotes after release before backlash show this. That being said after fan backlash Clarifying will be a wholesale rethink with just the star kid left to say it was always there intention ; ) I will take it, a new ending would be better but this is the most they could do to save some face .

[Bantz]

Eain wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

When Tolkien was ready to release the first book in his new trilogy "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of The Ring", he moved into print a new copy of his already popular book The Hobbit with a heavily edited "Riddles in the Dark" chapter, to more seamlessly bridge the two works.

Tolkien had no artistic integrity, which is why in 60 years no one will remember him. But we'll totally be talking about Bioware and Mass Effect.

Yeah people will be taking lessons in how not to write trilogies based on this, haha.

funny you say that I have a friend who teaches creative writing classes at a local college (big ME fan) who has used this as an example of what NOT to do in writing.

[Myrmedus]

Then for me that's just the final nail in Mr Walters' coffin.

And what strikes me is how self-indulgent so many of these quotes are, harping on about "Oh, my ending is so good because it instigates emotion" or "Some people are going to be extremely happy, other angry, that's a good ending right?"

Good literature doesn't need to be bigged-up and flexed, it speaks for itself.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 10 avril 2012 - 06:17 .

[tamperous]

jumpingkaede wrote...

"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.".

Was there anyone who was "extremely happy" from this ending? Anyone?

That Batarian doomsday preacher on Omega. He totally called the endtimes to the nearest month.

If he were alive, he'd be getting a cookie.
 

[Militarized]

To be fair, life can grow back surprisingly fast on Earth anyway.

That said, OP is right.

[nitefyre410]

Robhuzz wrote...

*snip*

"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.".

Was there anyone who was "extremely happy" from this ending? Anyone? 

Emos?

  

Emo's can never be happy about anything -   so if they were happy about a depressing ending  it would cause them to self destruct.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 10 avril 2012 - 06:20 .

[ShepnTali]

Again, some people (customers) being angry is bad business, nevermind bad writing.

[Elite Midget]

MattFini wrote...

 I remember this, too.

It's possible that BioWare has gently begun to backpedal on what was the original intent of the ending by suggesting these "No, the Geth can live if you chose destroy" / "Don't worry the galaxy is fine!" types of sentiments recently.
This tells me that it's possible they did originally plan to leave the galaxy in a pit of despair originally (for some reason), but the fan reaction has convinced them otherwise.
But who knows.  They've been way too vague to know for sure.  This is just more speculation. 

It was for future games in the series that would make no reference to Sheperd or his/her deeds since everything went to hell after ME3. It would just be the Legend of the Sheperd, with all details vague and never touched on. What did Sheperd do? Doesn't matter when everything blew up in the end thus the only thing that would get any serious mentioning would be Liara who is a constant in all files and no matter what she's obsessed with Sheperd. Much cheaper this way and since it touches no variables no one will, in theory, be angry about their choices not being mentioned.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[jumpingkaede]

[quote]nitefyre410 wrote...

[quote]Robhuzz wrote...

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"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.".

Was there anyone who was "extremely happy" from this ending? Anyone? [/quote]

Emos?

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Emo's can never be happy about anything -   so if they were happy about a depressing ending  it would cause them to self destruct.  

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The ending made the emos more depressed but that's the only feeling they know.

[quote]MattFini wrote...
It would just be the Legend of the Sheperd, with all details vague and never touched on. What did Sheperd do?[/quote]

As far as anyone knows or should know, Shepard didn't do anything.  The Crucible attached and a blast of light came out that did stuff.

Liara found the Crucible Plans.

Hackett and team built the Crucible.

Shepard's contribution was brokering peace between the Turians/Krogans and Salarians... er, and the Geth/Quarians, I guess but now that I think about it I'm not entirely sure what was accomplished by any of that since the Fleet didn't do anything and none of them really helped Priority: Earth.

In fact, as far as anyone else in the galaxy knows, Priority: Earth was a massive failure.

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 10 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Xerorei]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Eain wrote...

Sesshaku that's exactly my point. Why are they so adamant on not cutting out the Spacekid when they already changed their mind on the galaxy being a wasteland? Why not fix everything?

  

Its simple - they don't want to -   Bioware  vain pride has blinded them  to the fact that endings are as  bad as they are.. 
hence why   no change or retcon but clarification  but we know you can't clarifaction this amount of nonsense  because it would add more nonsence of top it. 
The reason is all there in there in the  release offical release . 

If they there is one thing that I have learned from this is  that Bioware   has for a long time been insulted from criticism. They have been media darlings for too long - so anything suggest they maybe wrong or something is not as good a they think it is.  Bioware  gets into this defensive mood-  it happen with DA 2 and it  has happened now. 

Happened with SWTOR too, after they nerfed conceal op total damage by 40%, shortened the only KD it has to 1.5 seconds instead of 3, didn't add better damage weapons or proper stat gear, on top of no closer and the class revolving around stealth.  When pointed out they did this just after testing the patch for two days on test server they didn't answer, oh right the lead of PVP answered, keep in mind he plays a damned Sorc, the class that absolutely dominates whether PvE or PvP.   Know what the reaction of that was, operative population dropped sharply, I'd estimate around 80-89%.  Nobody picks medic ops because sorcs heal better, ops in pvp are easy kills.

They still won't talk about it, despite the numbers clearly showing that they were wrong, still haven't fixed it either, they just gloss over it or outright ignore it. Defensive mood indeed, it's like a wife or girlfriend getting mad when you apparently did something wrong and refusing to talk to you, even if it is to tell you what you did wrong.

[FatalX7.0]

anlk92 wrote...

Yeah it is clear from both the Normandy and the Stargazer scenes that they intended for the events of the ending to be the end of galactic civilization for a long time to come. But they can backtrack on these behind the scenes things much more easily saying that people interpreted them in a way they did not intend to. They may even end up removing scenes like the Normandy running away (if they can't come up with proper explanations) by saying that with additional closure they put in there was no longer a need for them.

Elyiia wrote...

Wiping out a universe which people have spent hours getting attached to is such a dumb idea. There was no way it was going to be released without outcry.

They already knew that.

But they kind of underestimated it. Somehow.

He could have been talking about the actual different outcomes.

[Bantz]

what I don't get is if they really had done 16 unique endings like they promised EVERYONE likely would have been happy. People would have gotten the ending they earned based on their decisions.

[tamperous]

Eain wrote...

tamperous wrote...
We don't know who's in charge in Edmonton. Is it Gamble and Weekes? Is it EA. Lot's of fun speculation.

This line never gets old, haha. One to add to the chronicles of gaming, for sure.

I know, this whole thing has given me two memes that'll I use for life.

Artistic Integrity and Lot's of Speculation From EVERYONE.

Ten years from now, you'll see someone use these phrases sarcastically on the internet and you'll know right away that the person was a ME fan.

Hudson and Walters will probably have these two memes follow their careers until they retire..

[NReed106]

I think you answered your own question OP. He says the Rachni matter which we know is a lie. What's another lie about the galaxy being in bad shape after the ending?

1 lie means you can discredit anything he states about the ending

[jumpingkaede]

tamperous wrote...

Eain wrote...

tamperous wrote...
We don't know who's in charge in Edmonton. Is it Gamble and Weekes? Is it EA. Lot's of fun speculation.

This line never gets old, haha. One to add to the chronicles of gaming, for sure.

I know, this whole thing has given me two memes that'll I use for life.

Artistic Integrity and Lot's of Speculation From EVERYONE.

Ten years from now, you'll see someone use these phrases sarcastically on the internet and you'll know right away that the person was a ME fan.

Hudson and Walters will probably have these two memes follow their careers until they retire..

And space magic. 

[Jayleia]

Capeo wrote...

No he doesn't.  He says the geth will die.  After that he mentions "even you are partly synthetic" as a sidebar.  He never directly says Shep would die.

He says all synthetic life will die, even you are partly synthetic, in an ending that made any kind of sense made by a competent writing staff, those two sentences, right next to each other would cause me to think that, since I'm part synthetic, and my synthetic parts die, that takes me with it.

However, its open to speculation, in this case.

[Ender99]

Icinix wrote...

They definitely intended the galaxy to be the way it was. The just didn't realise the fans would explode.

[Occulo]

"This is the end, that's it. So it'll be, kind of a boring just sorta looking at a wasteland, that would be the DLC if we did after."

They were set on leaving the galaxy in a dark age in all the endings but didn't bother to make one where the Reapers win? I don't understand that...

[Erixxxx]

Everyone is busy rebuilding. If you want a DLC helping the Hanar put their temples to the Enkindlers back together, sure thing. I just want them to spend time on other pre-ending DLC, such as the rumored Omega.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It seems that my original thoughts about nihilism and the ending was spot on according to the video. Basically they took the most successful franchise they had in years and wiped their collective asses with it.

So I'm guessing the idea is so they wouldn't have to use any imagination on future games like ME4 because it could be a prequel then -- hey let's make one about a Lt Commander Anderson! or maybe about Ashley's grandfather! If they made it say 500 yrs in the future they'd actually have to think a bit and come up with a new story line.

The idea was to force people into choosing the Green Synthesis option which I'm guessing is going to be canon [sarcasm]because it's the best and that tint of green is prettier than the red or blue. You'll see this in the "logic" presented in the EC. [/sarcasm]

See the reapers actually clean up after themselves and leave nothing behind except Prothean ruins like on Feros which they somehow forgot to level, or was that because of the Thorian? Just sayin'. However, the logic (or rather lack thereof) of the reapers' existence with their impact on organic life evolving into advanced civilizations is astounding. See they strip worlds of their resources. There aren't that many garden worlds where advanced life can evolve. So once the resources are depleted there's nothing left for any future civilizations in this galaxy.

So the future looks like Fallout 3 on Earth, and DA:O on Thessia at least for a few hundred years. Maybe tens of thousands if they actually blow up the mass relays.

[leapingmonkeys]

GBGriffin wrote...

Relax. It all takes place in Shepard's head. Everything from the beam to the credits never happened. The galaxy is fine.


( )

It is all in Shepard's head, but it goes back to ME2 when he was poisoned by that bar tender.  Everything after that was a hallunication.  in the DLC you wake up in Omega with a massive hangover and the strangest dream...