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[jumpingkaede]

MegaSovereign wrote...

*Sigh*

He was talking about the fact that a lot of planets took heavy damage from the Reaper invasion.

Since most of ME takes place indoors I wouldn't really see that as being a problem for post-Reaper DLC (assuming that there was no Mass Relay/Arrival-esque devastation)..

In fact, most of the outdoor locations in ME3 would be untouched post-Reapers:

Rannoch?  Untouched by the Reapers.

Tuchanka?  Untouched by the Reapers and also indoors (as in ME2).

Palaven?  Well, you weren't there anyway you were just on a moon so I don't see why that's an issue.

Mars?  Untouched.

Thessia is the only one which could be an issue, but you could obviously still have non-wasteland DLC there.

London isn't even a wasteland.

[JediMB]

MegaSovereign wrote...

*Sigh*

He was talking about the fact that a lot of planets took heavy damage from the Reaper invasion.

But the planets were about equally damaged before the attack on Cronos Station, so that can't be it.

[Divitiacus]

If he meant the planets were all trashed, they were just as trashed moments before going back to Earth. I mean, the one hub world in this game is trashed. God forbid we have to hang out somewhere other than the Citadel when we have DLC.

[Eain]

Garlador wrote...

So... the galaxy is a wasteland, and it was Shepard, OUR Shepard, who made it that way.

Good going, "hero".

Actually, there is one thing that Bioware did right in all this.

Whatever happened in ME3 happened outside the canon of my shep. Between the game's inability to get her to look the same, the ample amount of autodialogue that makes her say completely out of character things, and her completely unbelievable response to the Catalyst, I never had the feeling I was playing my Shep from ME1 and 2 at all!

So as far as my canon goes that still never progressed past the suicide mission. ME3 is an elaborate fanfic for me.

[Dap Brannigan]

Wow. Why in the world is this guy lead writer?

Has he written for anything else?

[Eain]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Wow. Why in the world is this guy lead writer?

Has he written for anything else?

I tried to look for other stuff he's written but I can't find anything. No ME Wiki page, no Wikipedia page, no google results, nothing on webstores.

I'm seriously thinking his position is a friend's favour. Generally you want someone with credentials running your flagship franchise.

But let's not discuss him too much. Against forum regulations, I believe. Let's concede that we have reason to question his expertise and leave it at that.

[The Angry One]

It's abundantly clear that Mac Walters was allowed to run off on his own and write an ending.

Why? I have no idea. Perhaps he appealed to ego. Maybe they ran out of time and he went "Don't worry everyone, I got this."

Modifié par The Angry One, 10 avril 2012 - 08:52 .

[Zulmoka531]

Eain wrote...

Garlador wrote...

So... the galaxy is a wasteland, and it was Shepard, OUR Shepard, who made it that way.

Good going, "hero".

Actually, there is one thing that Bioware did right in all this.

Whatever happened in ME3 happened outside the canon of my shep. Between the game's inability to get her to look the same, the ample amount of autodialogue that makes her say completely out of character things, and her completely unbelievable response to the Catalyst, I never had the feeling I was playing my Shep from ME1 and 2 at all!

So as far as my canon goes that still never progressed past the suicide mission. ME3 is an elaborate fanfic for me.

I looked at ME3 like this. In 1 and 2 I played as my Shepard, in 3 it's become very clear I was playing Bioware's Shepard.

[scrapmetals]

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

So the ending of Mass Effect 3 isn't the start of Dragon Age 1...

The ending of Mass Effect 3 is the start of FALLOUT!

HOLY ****! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! THOSE WEREN'T RUSKI BOMBS, THOSE WERE PIECES OF THE MASS RELAY!

Sorry, had to make the joke.

[GBGriffin]

Guys, it's abundantly clear that none of this happened in reality and that it's all in Shep's head. Look at all the evidence; it HAS to mean something. It's there for a reason!!!!

The EC won't be anything other than support for the theory because it is the ONLY thing that makes sense of everything! Even if it wasn't intended, the fact that the fans pointed out so much stuff that the writers might have missed means that if they didn't support it before, they surely will now!

Just take a chill pill, study the evidence for the Indoctrination Theory, watch Acavyos's video on a loop until summer, and it'll all make sense. Remember, if this was planned, then it'll be the greatest trolling for the greatest ending EVER!!!! You'll be thanking them in the end!!!

Honestly, you guys are sounding crazy by discussing that the endings we got should be taken at face value.

(That is the current working theory for the supporting the IT, correct?)

[The Angry One]

scrapmetals wrote...

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

So the ending of Mass Effect 3 isn't the start of Dragon Age 1...

The ending of Mass Effect 3 is the start of FALLOUT!

HOLY ****! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! THOSE WEREN'T RUSKI BOMBS, THOSE WERE PIECES OF THE MASS RELAY!

Sorry, had to make the joke.

So Mac Walters took inspiration from this?

[xcomcmdr]

Eain wrote...

I remembered this gem so I decided to dig it up:

"It would be sorta boring, playing in a wasteland, that would be the DLC if we did it after [the end of the game]."

Now this interview dates back to February, meaning that in February the ending was pretty much definitive. Makes sense, that close to release. It does place his pre-launch statements in an interesting light (and by that I mean: he was telling nonsense) since he told us the Rachni would play an important role in the final battle when he evidently knew that they did not. So what was that about?

But what really gets me is that Bioware is massively backtracking on their ending as it is. We've got their folks all over twitter and the forums and conventions going "oh but the universe isn't over, and the relays didn't blow up like in arrival, and we never thought the fans would think that the universe would be in such a bad shape".

I'm sorry, what?

MAC WALTERS SAID THAT THE UNIVERSE WAS IN A BAD SHAPE.

He literally says it, right there! I mean what the hell. Moreover this puts Bioware's artistic integrity argument in a horrible light, because if they're backtracking on Walters' original vision for the ending then they are backtracking, period. And backtracking means not sticking to your artistic guts. Now mind you I never wanted them to do that in the first place. But why are we being fed this blatant PR nonsense about how they're proud of the team's artistic vision, when that same artistic vision as articulated by Walters in the interview I linked above is already being backtracked on?

Why not just go all the way and cull Spacekid in its entirety?

I'm just baffled, really.

Yeah so he did kill the franchise. Turned it into a wasteland.

Modifié par xcomcmdr, 10 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[Eain]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Eain wrote...

Garlador wrote...

So... the galaxy is a wasteland, and it was Shepard, OUR Shepard, who made it that way.

Good going, "hero".

Actually, there is one thing that Bioware did right in all this.

Whatever happened in ME3 happened outside the canon of my shep. Between the game's inability to get her to look the same, the ample amount of autodialogue that makes her say completely out of character things, and her completely unbelievable response to the Catalyst, I never had the feeling I was playing my Shep from ME1 and 2 at all!

So as far as my canon goes that still never progressed past the suicide mission. ME3 is an elaborate fanfic for me.

I looked at ME3 like this. In 1 and 2 I played as my Shepard, in 3 it's become very clear I was playing Bioware's Shepard.

Yeah absolutely. I had a laugh about this with a guy on this other forum I go to who basically tried to justify it by saying "so Mass Effect shifted from the WRPG model to the JRPG model over the course of the trilogy. What does that matter?"

Well how about it matters everything, rofl.

[GBGriffin]

xcomcmdr wrote...

Yeah so he did kill the franchise. Turned it into a wasteland.

OR into the best one ever with a hidden twist ending we haven't seen yet!

Are you seriously going to take any of what he has said or done in conjunction with what we actually got at face value!?

(Yes, I'm being needlessly cruel. I'll stop now)

[Eain]

The Angry One wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

So the ending of Mass Effect 3 isn't the start of Dragon Age 1...

The ending of Mass Effect 3 is the start of FALLOUT!

HOLY ****! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! THOSE WEREN'T RUSKI BOMBS, THOSE WERE PIECES OF THE MASS RELAY!

Sorry, had to make the joke.

So Mac Walters took inspiration from this?

That looks suspiciously like something that makes more sense than the ending!

[xcomcmdr]

There's more bad writing, moaaar! :
Kai Leng the Final Fantasy reject !
Cerberus the enemy you fight more often than the Reapers... for some reason.
SpaceBrat
...

:/

[tamperous]

As I said. Because Hudson and Walters have not made statements in weeks, we as fans have no way of knowing who's in charge. I personally think Brezhnev is dead but that the Politburo remains in total disarray. Because of this, we really have no way to know what this 'clarification' will look like.

There are several possible outcomes.

1) Brezhnev is dead, Gamble and Weekes are in charge and their fan-friendly reinterpretation will be the extended cut.
2) Brezhnev is dead and EA has no faith in any of Bioware and has decided Direct Intervention is needed, EA will make the extended cut whatever is best for the bottom line.
3) Brezhnev is not dead and Hudson and Walters remain in charge of the project, they are just lying low. Nothing will really change in the extended cut.
4) Brezhnev is not dead but Hudson and Walters are taking a rest down in the vacation home (gulag) for unrepentent artists. Bioware + Hudson and Walters are simply trying to save face.

[garf]

so that would be really an ironic twist.

everyone stops buying bioware and starts piling on Wasteland's kickstarter, and claiming sardonically that they Trust Fargo to 'Bore' them better than they enjoy Bioware's 'artistic vision'

[Arondell]

scrapmetals wrote...

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

So the ending of Mass Effect 3 isn't the start of Dragon Age 1...

The ending of Mass Effect 3 is the start of FALLOUT!

HOLY ****! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! THOSE WEREN'T RUSKI BOMBS, THOSE WERE PIECES OF THE MASS RELAY!

Sorry, had to make the joke.

Fallout deserved a better beginning.

[Peranor]

Hate or love the ending. The thing i'm most saddened about is that they torched the franchise.
Was that really necessary?

I was perfectly clear that ME3 would be the last game about Shepard. But I still had hopes for more games in the Mass Effect universe. And no, I don't want Fallout in space. Any "ME4" after this ending would just be Mass Effect in the name and not in the spirit.

And a prequel wouldn't really work either. The timeline is to narrow. Correct me if im wrong but it's only about 40 years between the First Contact War and the events of ME3. Not much to work with.

Mabe do a prequel that take place thousands of years before ME1? 
No, not interesting either.
There would be no humans involved. And while it would work technically it just wouldn't be the same without the humans as a point of reference. Something you can indentify yourself with.


I guess that they can make another Mass Effect game that takes place tens of thousands of years after the events of ME3 when the galaxy and relays has been rebuilt. But that wouldn't feel the same either.

Modifié par anorling, 10 avril 2012 - 09:36 .

[Uilleand]

MissNet wrote...

Eain wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...
Wow. Why in the world is this guy lead writer?
Has he written for anything else?

I tried to look for other stuff he's written but I can't find anything. No ME Wiki page, no Wikipedia page, no google results, nothing on webstores.
I'm seriously thinking his position is a friend's favour. Generally you want someone with credentials running your flagship franchise.
But let's not discuss him too much. Against forum regulations, I believe. Let's concede that we have reason to question his expertise and leave it at that.

Mac's IMDb profile (ME and Jade Empire)
Patrick Weekes (ME and A Total Write-Off episode)
John Dombrow  (ME3, The hills run red, Universe at war, Control Factor)
Neil Pollner (ME3, Star Wars: The Old Republic; Blindfolded, Stuck)
Cathleen Rootsaert (Me2, Me3, SWtOP, CBC Winnipeg Comedy Festival, The Fringe: Acting Up)
Not long lists, as you can see. I doubt it's accurate information but still interesting.
Or, and i think i saw "Mac Walters" on ME comics.

Can't say much about the rest, but I know Cathleen's stagework is and scriptwriting are both excellent and hilarious. I'd bet a hell of a lot of the LOLs came from her...

[Eclipse merc]

GBGriffin wrote...

Relax. It all takes place in Shepard's head. Everything from the beam to the credits never happened. The galaxy is fine.


( )

If only it were...

[MyChemicalBromance]

The universe isn't doomed.

[scrapmetals]

The Angry One wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

So the ending of Mass Effect 3 isn't the start of Dragon Age 1...

The ending of Mass Effect 3 is the start of FALLOUT!

HOLY ****! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! THOSE WEREN'T RUSKI BOMBS, THOSE WERE PIECES OF THE MASS RELAY!

Sorry, had to make the joke.

So Mac Walters took inspiration from this?

See, now I'm going to start wondering which Fallout character is an ME3 character.

Vega was clearly the start of the super mutants, and Joker probably got ghoulified (Argyle?). Edi is the Enclave (or, you know, the bot you find in New Vegas named, uh, Ed-E.)