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[dreman9999]

The game never say it harmful..It just say were could get stomach cramps and get no nourishment from it and vice verca.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[dreman9999]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Huh. Didn't remember if the mentioned dextro food specifically in ME1.

Codex.....Someone didn't read the codex..

[Berg]

Sure, it probably won't be insta-death, but no reason why dextro proteins would not present many digestive problems. Enzymes wouldn't know what to do with them. Also, what if some were up taken in a protein synthesis, and caused mis-folding? I doubt any of this had been studied, but I would have no problem with bw's explanation

[SpockLives]

dekkerd wrote...

Rickets wrote...

Come on! It's just a game. Not everything has to make sense.

I'll give you another thing that doesn't make sense.

Liara and Ashley's "out door" space mask isn't covering the whole head. Usually you will die if you don't cover your head out in space.

That didn't break for me until they did it with ashley. Up until then, every character with a space mask was a biotic. I just assumed a low level biotic field took care of the rest. 

Sorry, but Zaeed, Kasumi, and Mordin are not biotics.  Mordin and Kasumi both used masks that cover mouth and nose only, while Zaeed's mask covered his face, but not the back of his head or his ears.

[thehomeworld]

I figured they did it because they wanted to make them more alien most people don't think about how they can consume both dextro and amino they know they can eat food they aren't allergic to when BW says dextros will die if they eat levo food that's BW trying to say these guys are aliens over here! If it was real life I'm sure there would be things dextrros could eat and others that wouldn't give them any nutrients at all and then the 1% that would cause an allergic reaction.

The reason I think all the dextro npcs I run into keep saying they'll die if they eat levo food is because its an old war rumor such and such a Turain ate the wrong end of a sushi fish and ended up dead and from that point on the Turians and Quarians have touted the line and trumped up any death by allergies of dextros to another one eating levo food bites it. So really team dextro could eat the human food on the Normandy but since their culture scared them away from said food sense birth they're playing it safe and would rather just pack their lunches.

[thehomeworld]

SpockLives wrote...

dekkerd wrote...

Rickets wrote...

Come on! It's just a game. Not everything has to make sense.

I'll give you another thing that doesn't make sense.

Liara and Ashley's "out door" space mask isn't covering the whole head. Usually you will die if you don't cover your head out in space.

That didn't break for me until they did it with ashley. Up until then, every character with a space mask was a biotic. I just assumed a low level biotic field took care of the rest. 

Sorry, but Zaeed, Kasumi, and Mordin are not biotics.  Mordin and Kasumi both used masks that cover mouth and nose only, while Zaeed's mask covered his face, but not the back of his head or his ears.

Yes we've had many, many threads on how ridiculous the space masks are in all environments outside of a hospital so this thread is quite unique first time I've seen one on the subject.

[CrimsonHooj]

Interesting point. I thought however that they could eat the food but their body has a severe, often fatal, allergic reaction to it?

[Bravenu3]

@EnerPrime (OP): Do you have some references for further reading?

[MadCat221]

Rickets wrote...

Come on! It's just a game. Not everything has to make sense.

I'll give you another thing that doesn't make sense.

Liara and Ashley's "out door" space mask isn't covering the whole head. Usually you will die if you don't cover your head out in space.

Ash's does if you set her outfit to be the one that's actual armor.  It's the standard Alliance combat hardsuit, complete with the helmet.

The only two complete transgressors in regards to hardsuit helmets are Liara and Javik... and Javik doesn't count because oxygen is for primitives.

Modifié par MadCat221, 14 avril 2012 - 03:29 .

[mikeloeven]

The only reason he is nit picking is because he is afraid said incompatibility could jeopardize procreation chances of Shepard and said potential love interests

[dekkerd]

SpockLives wrote...


Sorry, but Zaeed, Kasumi, and Mordin are not biotics.  Mordin and Kasumi both used masks that cover mouth and nose only, while Zaeed's mask covered his face, but not the back of his head or his ears.

Forgot about mordin. Never noticed zaeed. Kasumi has the hood of awesome, it can do anything. 
Basically, I guess it didn't bug me until ash in me3. 

[Vapaa]

dekkerd wrote...

SpockLives wrote...


Sorry, but Zaeed, Kasumi, and Mordin are not biotics.  Mordin and Kasumi both used masks that cover mouth and nose only, while Zaeed's mask covered his face, but not the back of his head or his ears.

Forgot about mordin. Never noticed zaeed. Kasumi has the hood of awesome, it can do anything. 
Basically, I guess it didn't bug me until ash in me3. 

Odly, it never bugged me in ME3, mostly because you don't go on planets with hostile environements....the exceptions being Mars and the brown dwarf in ME2

Modifié par Vapaä, 15 avril 2012 - 12:31 .

[Cecilia L]

Everyone knows sound can't be heard in space but everyone also thinks it's much cooler with sound.
 It's an artistic choice and this one I do support.

Modifié par Cecilia L, 15 avril 2012 - 01:07 .

[BentOrgy]

Cecilia L wrote...

Everyone knows sound can't be heard in space but everyone also thinks it's much cooler with sound.
 It's an artistic choice and this one I do support.

Uh, I believe someone covered that already. In this thread even.

[CrazyCatDude]

EnerPrime wrote...

Seriously, thew hole dextro/levo food incompatibility is completely nonsensical. I understand if that the writers just wanted to add a facet to turians and quarians to make them more alien, but the fact is that they tried to back it up with real science and got that science fundamentaly wrong.

For starters, let's assume that since dextro species eat in a similar manner to us means that their digestive and metabolic processes are more or less the same kind that humans have. Human bodies have nine amino acids referred to as 'essential', because the body is incapapable of making them in it's own. All other amino acids neccesary for life are created in the body. Assuming dextro metabolisms operate the same way, all a dextro would need to live off levo food is dietary supplements containing their species' essential amino acids.

Secondly, assuming the mere presence of dextro acids in primarily levo species (and vice versa) would result in any negative consequences is wrong. You, all of you levo humans reading this, have dextro amino acids in you at this very moment. The human body predominantly uses levo amino acids, yes, but it also synthesises and uses it's own dextro amino acids to use for certain functions. Assuming eating food based on dextro acids would harm humans is erroneous. Assuming that the dextro acids are the only potential danger, then at worst your body would simply not take in any amino acid based nutrients while still making use of all the other  nutrients in the food.

Which brings me to my third point. Amino acids are not the be all end all of nutrition. Salt, carbohydrates, fatty acids and all other types of nutrients that aren't protein don't give a crap about amino acid chirality. Most types of nutrients don't have chiralities, and therfore should be universal.

TL;DR? The lore of the games sciencefails when it comes to biochemistry, and there's no reason that Garrus and Tali couldn't eat human food as long as they had a source of the amino acids their bodies can't make on their own.

You've got a lot of good points... but, and there is a but...  We don't really know at what levels Dexto amino's become toxic, because there aren't a lot of them floating around.  Sure, they do occur on Earth, and sure, we do consume some on a regular basis.  You know what?  I consume formaldehyde on a semiregular basis.  Seriously, it's present in certain foods, and in small doses, it doesn't do any damage unless you have an allergy.  Same with cyanide, which is used as food adative.  This is more a case of 'yeah, we don't really know, because no one has ever gone through the ridiculous amount of effort it would take to assemble that most dextro-ammo stuff for someone to eat.

So, yeah, I can let this one slide.

[rashapiro83]

In addition to all that's been said above, in fact feeding wrong chirality aminos acids to animals has been studied. It has practically no effect on them.

Also, amino acids can flip their chirality. You start with a piece of L meat, and subject it to heat, moisture and acid, and you get a mix of L and D forms. Sounds a lot like cooking. But youd also think a working omni-tool could synthesize enough for a supplement, (or just do some chemistry). One might argue it's not the D- L- that's the problem, but something
about the proteins themselves (a lot of very nasty poisons are
polypeptides, for example).

That said, it's a story and they can do what they want with it.

[Wifflebottom]

So we can eat turian chocolates? Sweet.

[daecath]

Yes, we have a small amount of dextro amino acids, and digesting those isn't harmful.

However, food isn't comprised of a bunch of amino acids. It's comprised of proteins which are made up of combinations of amino acids. All life on this planet is based on levo amino acids. It's natural to assume that the proteins made up of dextro amino acids would be much different than the ones based on levo.

And it is proteins which cause allergic reactions. Yes, you might be able to break down the food, just like an individual who is allergic to peanuts could technically digest peanuts. However, their immune system response to the proteins in peanuts could kill them long before they get that chance. It's likely that our bodies would react in the same way to proteins composed of dextro amino acids, and vice verse for turians and quarians.

In fact, Mordin even says (if you are romancing Garrus and have that conversation with him) that ingesting um, well, here, just watch this.

[Filanwizard]

its their story so let em get what they want.

However live in your own world for fan fic, And share that milk shake with Tali.

Fan Fic does not have to be absolute canon... I mean Star Wars has the EU and nobody cares how off from the movies it is.