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[ObserverStatus]

Modifié par bobobo878, 14 novembre 2013 - 12:40 .

[MrVincent]

This is the first good idea the Retake movement has had.

[Johanna]

Not a fan of Witcher, but funding Wasteland 2 is definitely worth your time and money. I can't bloody WAIT.

Edit: 
Didn't know about Banner Saga until now, but it looks... wow.  Just gorgeous.

Modifié par pants witch, 10 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[JayneD]

MrVincent wrote...

This is the first good idea the Retake movement has had.

Indeed. Apart from all the others.

Modifié par JayneD, 10 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Flashflame58]

Everyone should buy Minecraft, instead.

Notch: ‘The More We Don’t Do What [EA] Would Do, The Happier I Am’

What better way to protest EA/BioWare than to take your business to the developer who basically turned down EA?

Support Notch! 

Modifié par Flashflame58, 10 avril 2012 - 06:33 .

[Arcadian Legend]

MrVincent wrote...

This is the first good idea the Retake movement has had.

What do you expect? This is from the same guy who made the Zhu's Hope spore theory and the "How to safely screw an Ardat-Yakshi" theory.

[CrutchCricket]

Hey if we're deciding to support another game developer, I say we turn to Valve. They still owe us an EP3.
Plus we get hats!

[DemGeth]

Ah seriously why wouldn't you buy the Witcher 1 or 2, they're amazing games.

Though for what you're saying you'd buy something like that Kingdoms of Amular (or is it nights?), so that EA could see sales figures.

[Arcadian Legend]

Flashflame58 wrote...

Everyone should buy Minecraft, instead.

Minecraft is

I wub Minecraft.

[iorveth1271]

CDPR is still my all-time favourite developer. Notch is good to support as well. As I've (unfortunately D:) never heard of Wasteland 2, I can't tell here. But the OP is right. Unless we finally start to show them we're not gonna buy every crump they're throwing at us even if they don't fix the ending, they won't start caring.

Unfortunately, that's how Capitalism works.

[Aedan276]

bobobo878 wrote...

Recently, Bioware has announced Extended Cut DLC, demonstrating once again that they do not care to listen  to the opinions of the retake mass effect 3 movement.  As if ten minutes of that tripe were not enough, Bioware has announced that they will not change the endings, but extend them, forcing us to sit through an even longer version of the endings we detest.  Clearly, our previous campaigns have not been working, and if we want to be taken more seriously than save derpy movement, we're going to have to start spening our resources more wisely.

Penny Arcade has turned their noses up at our Child's Play campaign, not believing that our cause is directly aligned with ours, and although the cupcake campaign was amusing, it did little to change Bioware's position and I do not expect our billboard campaign to get any better results.

The problem is, that Bioware believe's what Owen Good wrote on Kotaku, that no matter how much we protest Bioware's decisions on its forums, we are still addicts at the core and will continue to purchase their games religously.  If we are to have any chance of convincing Bioware to truly change the ending, we must be willing to prove that we will take our business elsewhere if they do not.

Instead of pouring our money into cupcakes and billboards that noone but gamers will understand, we could be helping to fund developers who respect their customers.

Brian Fargo, the creator of Fallout 1 &2, has taken a stand in the development of Wasteland 2, to say that gamers, not focus groups, should decide what goes into a game.  While the gaming press has been up in arms defending Bioware's ending from being rewritten by the unartistc masses, Brian Fargo believes that the creation of games should be democratized and that developers should give gamers exactly what they want. Wasteland 2 is a fully fan funded game, and once their donation drive ends in six days, they will be asking us, the customers, how they want us to make the game.

The Banner Saga, another fan funded game on KickStarter, is a tactical rpg being developed by ex-Bioware developers.

And another team is developing Shadowrun Returns on Kickstarter, yet another promising looking fan funded rpg.

While donating to indie teams working to revolutionize developer-gamer relations may not be as "good" a cause as Child's Play, at least it cannot be said that such donations would not be related to our cause.

Heck, if you don't like turn based RPG's even starting a drive to pre-order The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition would be a more constructive way to spend your protest dollars than cupcakes and billboards.  But we're not about to convince Bioware to change the endings the way we are currently operating.  All we are proving to them now is how badly we can manage our resources.

I say, that we should hold the line for developer accountability, and retake gaming from megalomaniacal corporations who think that they can tell us what kind of games we should want to play.

The current ending has the bare bones of a logical conclusion -- I'm willing to give the Extended Cut a chance before consigning Bioware to the bargain bin. 

That said, 'personalization' better not be a lie. 

That being said, I agree more consideration ought to be given to less corporatist alternatives. 

Modifié par Aedan276, 10 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Lenimph]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

MrVincent wrote...

This is the first good idea the Retake movement has had.

What do you expect? This is from the same guy who made the Zhu's Hope spore theory and the "How to safely screw an Ardat-Yakshi" theory.

This... you're a fool not to listen

[MrVincent]

DemGeth wrote...

Ah seriously why wouldn't you buy the Witcher 1 or 2, they're amazing games.

Though for what you're saying you'd buy something like that Kingdoms of Amular (or is it nights?), so that EA could see sales figures.

Well, the goal would be to hurt EA a bit. Spend money on other publishers/developers. So they can see that people will still choose to buy a quality game over an EA rushed out title.

[Faded-Myth]

Using all caps in your title doesn't help. I would suggest lowering the tone and using a more specific thread title. We've created a million "Hold the line" and "retake ME3" threads. Making more of the same does not help our cause.

[ObserverStatus]

iorveth1271 wrote...

CDPR is still my all-time favourite developer. Notch is good to support as well. As I've (unfortunately D:) never heard of Wasteland 2, I can't tell here. But the OP is right. Unless we finally start to show them we're not gonna buy every crump they're throwing at us even if they don't fix the ending, they won't start caring.

Unfortunately, that's how Capitalism works.

Well you see, Wasteland is the spiritual predecessor to Fallout,  The only reason Fallout was even created in the first place was because Brian Fargo couldn't acquire the rights to develop Wasteland 2 back in the day.  Now that Bethesda owns Fallout, and Wasteland is all but forgotten, Brian Fargo has finally managed to acquire the rights to the Wasteland franchise, and create the game that has always been desired by people who disliked the changes to Fallout made by Bethesda.

[M0rn]

I've donated a few bucks to Wasteland project. And as I watched the Kickstarter progress - the most donations were made in the same day, as ME3 Extended Cut was announced

[Siansonea]

You know what will change BioWare's minds? Buying games from their competitors, rather than from BioWare. Nothing else will get their attention or make them think there is anything wrong with the way they do business now. The kind of ego inertia we see with them is almost impossible to move. You've got to hit them where they live, and as a subsidiary of EA, that means the bottom line. It's time to write off the ME franchise as something that had huge potential, some great character moments, and served to underscore the limitations of this platform/console generation and business climate. There's really nothing else for it. You can't make people see the error of their ways by pointing out the error of their ways. It just doesn't work like that.

[Flashflame58]

Minecraft comes out in the Xbox Arcade on May 9th, if I remember correctly.

Modifié par Flashflame58, 10 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[Heather Cline]

I agree just looking at those people who left BioWare to go independent and the promise to actually listen to fan feedback is a huge plus. I'm only still here because I want to try and get them to truly change the ending to ME3 and not just give us an explanation in game. But these alternatives are awesome and some of the games will be on macintosh so that means I don't have to wait for a Xbox port or a emulator for them.

Yeah... I think these along with several other developers will be getting my brand loyalty.

[DemGeth]

MrVincent wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Ah seriously why wouldn't you buy the Witcher 1 or 2, they're amazing games.

Though for what you're saying you'd buy something like that Kingdoms of Amular (or is it nights?), so that EA could see sales figures.

Well, the goal would be to hurt EA a bit. Spend money on other publishers/developers. So they can see that people will still choose to buy a quality game over an EA rushed out title.

No your goal with this is too demonstrate buying power.  

The Withcher 2 is gonna sell on the 360 anyway man....probably most hyped game of the year on the box next to Halo.

That way EA sees a demonstration of buying power, and you make Curt Schilling happy 

[An English Gamer]

You know, I'm sure Tim Shafer said something about funds and Phsyconauts 2 a few months back...

[ObserverStatus]

An English Gamer wrote...

You know, I'm sure Tim Shafer said something about funds and Phsyconauts 2 a few months back...

hmm, if I can find a kickstarter donation pool I'll post it.

[pomrink]

I just did 15 dollar kickstarts for wasteland and shadowrun. I LOVE NO DRM IN MY GAMES!

[Ravensword]

Wow, bobo. That came straight from the heart.

Modifié par Ravensword, 10 avril 2012 - 07:03 .