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[Balmung31]

Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. Control seems to be the only one where Mass Relays are possibly still intact, but Shepard is dead.

I'm sticking with Destroy ending at 4-5000 EMS, and that's that.

[Menalaos1971]

jumpingkaede wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

The Catalyst clearly states the relays will be destroyed:

Releasing the energy of the crucible will end the cycle but it will also DESTROY the Mass Relays

This^

I wish someone at Bioware would commit to a story and stick with it

Yeah but it's pretty clear that the Catalyst is a liar so nothing he says counts.

Have you read any of the crap that Gamble and Hudson and the rest said about the Ending to ME3 pre-launch.  I don't think the Catalyst is alone here.

[Sundance31us]

The Catalyst comment regarding Shepard's "death":

Child: You will die. You will control us, but you will lose everything you have.

[sth88]

No, Mr. Gamble, I distinctly saw them blow up, not just become "disabled." If they were just "disabled," people wouldn't be left wondering whether or not they just killed everyone in the galaxy. Even in the Control ending, you can still see the Relay breaking apart just before it goes to the galaxy map view.

If you're gonna retcon this, stop beating around the bush and just say so. You should be able to tell by now that we are sick and tired of speculating on the writers' intentions regarding the ending.

[Jackal7713]

Great we have been tweeted a fix to a plot hole.

I'm glad I spent $80 for a CE without a full ending, now that I know the fixes are via tweets.
So that pretty much means I paid $80 for tweets. Spiffy.

[Ziggeh]

Moondust82 wrote...
Nah I don't think so. There is the Executive producer twittering. Remember what they twittered when they built up the hype. Their posts from Twitter were all around the media. It is a medium they use for news.

I'm not saying that it can't also be used for marketing and direct statements, but the relationship is definitely more complex than here. It's an official channel when they wish it to be and an informal one when of personal use. We'll read them both the same because we're a reductive bunch, but I very much doubt they see everything they post as the official word of the company, especially upon their own accounts.

[Eterna]

Saying I disabled something is the same as saying I destroyed something.

Modifié par Eterna5, 10 avril 2012 - 08:51 .

[cotheer]

There is a thing called Bioware Social Network, for these kind of things.
Going on twitter/fb/g+/hi5/myspace/tumblr/reddit and posting things like that is an insult.

It seams to me that even they don't know what the hell is this game about and how it ended.

[Pottumuusi]

sth88 wrote...

No, Mr. Gamble, I distinctly saw them blow up, not just become "disabled." If they were just "disabled," people wouldn't be left wondering whether or not they just killed everyone in the galaxy. Even in the Control ending, you can still see the Relay breaking apart just before it goes to the galaxy map view.

If you're gonna retcon this, stop beating around the bush and just say so. You should be able to tell by now that we are sick and tired of speculating on the writers' intentions regarding the ending.

Yeah, I guess they were disabled as in:

[Ziggeh]

sth88 wrote...
Even in the Control ending, you can still see the Relay breaking apart

If the wing mirror comes off of my car, is it breaking apart?

[scrapmetals]

Don't care. Still picking Destroy. FTL speeds can get us anywhere we need to go, Reapers didn't explode so salvaging Reaper tech is possible, and Edi is gone.

Sorry geth.

Oh, wait, why am I even complaining about this? I don't believe the Starchild and I never will, even if the Extended Cut says he's right.

[Ziggeh]

cotheer wrote...

Going on twitter/fb/g+/hi5/myspace/tumblr/reddit and posting things like that is an insult.

How dare they engage people socially! They should never speak of their work outside the hallowed walls of whatever building they are employed within.

[Jackal7713]

MissNet wrote...

Twitter. New gaming platform.
I think I will play ME3 Extended Cut and DA3 on twitter.
It will save me from falling into plot holes.

It will save you money.

[Ieldra]

NoUserNameHere wrote...
I'm pretty sure I saw them breaking apart in the endings, though.

Guess we're looking at an EC retcon.

*Sigh*

People have posted comparative analyses of the ending videos so many times I can't believe people are still posting this. The final explosion where the ring breaks away and parts fly away in all directions DOES NOT HAPPEN in the blue ending. You see the relays damaged but not exploding. The interpretation is perfectly in line with the existing scenes.

SO COMPARE THE DAMNED VIDEOS before making any ridiculous claims.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[Manton-X2]

You know, the more I see coming from people at Bioware about ME3 and the statements they make, the more I am convinced that his is not just a case of these people outright lying to us (which kind of makes me feel a little better). It feels to me like a lot of these people haven't actually played the game(s) and don't really know what is going on. Like they were given a treatment or memo or script or shown some demo video and that's what they're basing everything they say on.

I can't think of any other explanation for the wild and varied takes on the game and its elements from Bioware's own ME3 Team.

[Pulletlamer]

The Angry One wrote...

This is not a retcon.

Look at the relay in control in this comparison.

They always omitted the explosion. Even though we see the relay being shredded, I have often said that they were being cheap, and this was their half-assed way of showing the relays aren't destroyed in control.
Which just furthers the horrible implication that control is the best ending.

Well, that sucks then. Especially since they paint it in blue like if it was the paragon ending, when in fact, paragon has always went against controlling the Reapers. So it goes something like this for a paragon player:

------Back in ME2 ------

*Shepard Destroy's Collector Base*

*TIM Freaks out*

Shepard: "I won't let fear compromise who I am"

------ME3 Ending ------

Shepard: Uh..uh...Control ALL THE WAY!!!

Narrative coherence? Threw it out the airlock.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 10 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[Dendio1]

if you look closely you see that the main explosion takes place in the center ring. The arms of the citadel are largely left in tact

[The Angry One]

Ziggeh wrote...

sth88 wrote...
Even in the Control ending, you can still see the Relay breaking apart

If the wing mirror comes off of my car, is it breaking apart?

If your car's structure is ripped apart by explosions then it's breaking apart.

[DreamTension]

I haven't read the whole thread (sorry), but I'm pretty sure star child specifically says the relays are DESTROYED.
Now, star child also says you die no matter what and you 'may' live at the end so what he says doesn't matter.
Actually, it's great for BioWare. Since EVERYTHING about the ending contradicts itself, they really have no CANON to go on so anything they want they can do.

[anlk92]

scrapmetals wrote...

Don't care. Still picking Destroy. FTL speeds can get us anywhere we need to go, Reapers didn't explode so salvaging Reaper tech is possible, and Edi is gone.

Sorry geth.

Oh, wait, why am I even complaining about this? I don't believe the Starchild and I never will, even if the Extended Cut says he's right.

EDI isn't gone in high ems. Probably the Geth too.

[ShepnTali]

Eterna5 wrote...

Saying I disabled something is the same as saying I destroyed something.

That may be the case here, but it isn't a true blanket statement.

[Shallyah]

I think it's been hinted several times that the Mass Relays could be rebuilt even in Synth/Destroy, especially sicne there's a lot of dead Reapers around Earth to take pieces from and patch them up.

However, I still can't forget what Sovereign said.

Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.

I'm a proud Destroy-ender, so as far as I'm concerned, the Citadel and the Mass Relays are better off destroyed. The races of the Galaxy have millions upon millions of years to develop similar or superior technology, now that the Reapers are gone for good.

Besides, I also remember twits from Bioware staff members saying that even FTL speed technology could be further developped. If it wasn't before, it's because the current civilizations of the galaxy relied on the Mass Relays.

Modifié par Shallyah, 10 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[Untold]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I'm pretty sure I saw them breaking apart in the endings, though.

Guess we're looking at an EC retcon.

You are correct. In each ending the relays explode.

youtu.be/rPelM2hwhJA

How could they write around that you ask? Well, there are a number of ways, and whether folks like it or not IT is one of them. Essentially, there could be way more to the endings this summer than any of us know, and anything beyond it still leaves the current endings untouched, even if those endings aren't what they seem. Should be interesting all the same.