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[Barquiel]

MegaSovereign wrote...

So what exactly *do you* get from picking destroy? It seems like control/synthesis have more pros....

It's the only outcome that ends the cycle beyond a shadow of a doubt (-> reapers are destroyed)

[Kanon777]

the control endings dosent destroy the relays

[zakaryzb]

I just think they were lazy. They didn't want the relays to be destroyed like in Synthesis or Destroy so they just cut the cinematic before you see it get ripped apart. If that scene would have continued for 4 more seconds you would have seen it crumble like the other two. Chalk this up with Tali's face and the desktop wallpaper "stargazer" scene.

[MegaSovereign]

Eudaemonium wrote...

I think the intention was to have Control leave the galaxy in an ostensibly better situation: deactivated and damaged relays, etc. However, it leaves open the possibility of the Reapers' return, and the possibility that Shepard might have been duped. The Catalyst seems mighty pretty when you pick it after all. And I don't like anything the Catalyst does.

Well that's just up to speculation really. You could always imagine that Shepard flew the Reapers into the sun or something.

And if something like that were to happen, the post-Crucible civilizations will be aware and prepared for the Reaper threat once they rebuild. Keeping the citadel+mass relays is a massive win, even if it means having to eventually deal with the Reapers again.


As much as I hate having the relays gone in all 3 endings, I don't like the implication of one ending having the mass relays still there and the other endings getting shafted.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 10 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[DaBigDragon]

Excuse me OP, can you update your link to the tweet to this one?

https://twitter.com/...481533239865344

It accurately shows my question and his answer. Thanks!

[gurg13]

It doesn't really matter if they are disabled or blown up because you still have no idea what you have ultimately done. It's all very vague.

[The Night Mammoth]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Moondust82 wrote...

@NoUserNameHere

yeah, they are definitively blown up at all three sequences

Nope! No explosion on control, look at the youtube comparison



Notable differences @ 1:06 and 1:28

They don't totally blow up on control

They don't totally blow up, just disintegrate into pieces. Yeah sure, they're disabled all right. BioWare are a mess right now.

[Bereman08]

The Angry One wrote...

The Irish Man wrote...

They weren't blown up like in the arrival. Just couldn't handle the amount of energy that they were getting so they basically fell apart and broke.

I love the ability of selective vision that some people seem to have.
It does not fall apart and break. The energy backfires into the structure, which then rips apart. Then we see a massive explosion.

Having frapsed and watched the explosion frame by frame, it does rip apart from an explosion but not in a way that is consistent with the supernova type explosion seen in Arrival.

It's not nearly as clear as it should be that the destruction of these relays is different, but it's there.

[Giantdeathrobot]

My question to him was about the control ending only.

Ups, didn't read. Shame on me .

... But then Control becomes a flat-out better ending than the others as I see it. Reapers answer to Shepard somehow (could help rebuilding maybe) The Citadel isin't destroyed (meaning it can still be of use, also no causing holocaust of Earth by having such a massive object fall upon it) and the Relays are merely disabled, meaning they could be reactivated, or at least studied. Illusive Man WAS right all along, it seems. Disturbing thought.

I could still pick Destroy (it's what we set out to do as I see it) but why anybody would now pick Synthesis is simply beyond me. But I digress.

[Kanon777]

there is no retconing involved here, anyone with an open mind could see that the relays arent completely destroyed in the control ending, they stop working but arent destroyed...

[Link Ashland 614]

The relay in Arrival went Supernova and destroyed everything. Here, the relays were destroyed, but instead of the energy going Supernova, they channel the Crucible's energy (Control, Synthesis, Destroy) to the next relay, going all over the galaxy

[Moondust82]

DaBigDragon wrote...

Excuse me OP, can you update your link to the tweet to this one?

https://twitter.com/...481533239865344

It accurately shows my question and his answer. Thanks!

it's edited

[DaBigDragon]

Moondust82 wrote...

DaBigDragon wrote...

Excuse me OP, can you update your link to the tweet to this one?

https://twitter.com/...481533239865344

It accurately shows my question and his answer. Thanks!

it's edited

Thank you sir! Didn't want anyone to be confused.

[plardman]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

The relay in Arrival went Supernova and destroyed everything. Here, the relays were destroyed, but instead of the energy going Supernova, they channel the Crucible's energy (Control, Synthesis, Destroy) to the next relay, going all over the galaxy

I like that idea. What happenes when it reaches the last one? maybe the omega 4 relay?

[Reptilian Rob]

iorveth1271 wrote...

So... they're retconning their own plot all over twitter now?

Interesting...

Stupid as ****. 

[Darth_Trethon]

Asharad Hett wrote...

I took a screenshot of the worst part of the explosion, and it's just a few parts flying off. The rings never fly apart. The superstructure remains intact. Forget youtube, watch the full res version with the BINK player.

Normally I'd say you are right....but in this case you are not. That scene could only mean something if it was in fact real....it is not.

[Kanon777]

The Angry One wrote...

They literally just cut out the explosion and hoped we'd take that as the relay not being destroyed even though the previous scene rips it apart.
They couldn't even come up with a different 5 second clip to show the relay intact. Artistic vision? Sure.

Some people were clever enough to understand the diference and its implications, but i guess you werent one of them...

[Syokhan]

Well since the Catalyst explicitly says that the relay will be destroyed, this just proves that he lies through his ghostly teeth or actually doesn't have a clue what he's saying. Gee, thanks for making the whole thing so much clearer.

[Rath111]

Indoctrination Theory!

[JPR1964]

iorveth1271 wrote...

So... they're retconning their own plot all over twitter now?

Interesting...

that's not the word I would use... But that just me, he...

JPR out!

[Kanon777]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

So... they're retconning their own plot all over twitter now?

Interesting...

Stupid as ****. 

There is no retconing here, this was pretty obvious to anyone who paid attention instead of ****ing non-stop for 5 weeks.

Besides, isnt that what the retakers want? A retcon of the endings? You whine when Bioware say they will keep everything the same and you whine again when they change something people didnt like about the endings... You guys are wierd...

[zakaryzb]

Kanon777 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They literally just cut out the explosion and hoped we'd take that as the relay not being destroyed even though the previous scene rips it apart.
They couldn't even come up with a different 5 second clip to show the relay intact. Artistic vision? Sure.

Some people were clever enough to understand the diference and its implications, but i guess you werent one of them...

It's not about not understanding the implications, it's the fact that they were clearly lazy and didn't add a scene of it intact.  Why they did that for the Citadel and not the relays is beyond me.  Unless of course "artistic integrity" is to be assumed...

[Darth_Trethon]

Rath111 wrote...

Indoctrination Theory!

Indeed....I'd say we are making good progress...real good progress.

[An English Gamer]

Are people at Bioware starting to notice that they themselves can't clarify what happens? Everyone shhhh.. We may get to say "We told you so."

[Kanon777]

RETAKER: Hey Bioware, the endings suck, we want new endings now!!! retcon the entire last part of the game!!!

BIOWARE: We wont retcon anything but we will give clarifications, like the relays arent destroyed in Control and the galaxy has many ways to remake the Relays or just survive well without them.

RETAKER:Whaaaa? I didnt get that from the ending, YOU GUYS ARE RETCONING EVERYTHING, you are all terrible writers!!!!

Modifié par Kanon777, 10 avril 2012 - 09:56 .