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[Costin_Razvan]

I am fairly certain EA has made back the money they spent on SWTOR by now. Whether or not they made a profit remains to be seen, but it sure as hell isn't the WoW killer people seem to make it.

That is not to say WoW will last much longer.With Guild Wars 2 coming out and other MMORPGS I believe we might see the end of WoW once and for all this year.

[TheBlackBaron]

eroeru wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

The economy in general is crap right now, the low stock price isn't entirely the result of sub-par games and negative publicity.

This.

Hard to devote a ton of money to gaming when just filling up your gas tank costs 20% more than a new AAA title. 

That argument just doesn't hold in light of the current kickstarter projects. People pay lots for entertainment - even moreso in hard times.

Kickstarter is a nice way of getting funding to developers by fans of genres that have largely fallen by the wayside - adventure games, "old-school RPGs", etc. - but I question whether it's actually a viable or sustainable path for developers that fall outside of what are, let's face it, niche games. Even if it's a rather long and deep niche. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited as hell for Wasteland 2. But the amount of funding given to it and the profit it can be expected to turn are a drop in a bucket for a company like EA. 

[Chromie]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I am fairly certain EA has made back the money they spent on SWTOR by now. Whether or not they made a profit remains to be seen, but it sure as hell isn't the WoW killer people seem to make it.

Well other then the voiced dialogue and questing the game offers nothing WoW doesn't already. I would assume people have gone back to WoW I know some of my guildies from TOR have went back a long time ago. I haven't but that's because I've decided to stop with the themepark MMO and wait for some decent sandboxes but I'm definitely interested in Guild Wars 2 and maybe Secret World.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

That is not to say WoW will last much longer.With Guild Wars 2 coming out and other MMORPGS I believe we might see the end of WoW once and for all this year.

Your fooling yourself if you honestly think Guild Wars 2, Secret World, Tera or any other MMO will cause WoW to die. The only thing that will kill WoW is Blizzard I do believe that. They have Titan in the works which is supposed to be a "next gen MMO' whatever that means and could possibly cater to the hardcore crowd. They have another MMO which is meant for Free to play model.

Guild Wars 2 looks fantastic yea but I still don't see it getting close to hurting WoW. WoW already has some great ideas for Panderia. Yea yea Pandas (boo hoo) but the monk class has no autoattack or faction, there is the pokemon system (which I admit looks great), a good looking talent system finally doing away with the cookie cutter specs from WoW 1.0 to 4.0 and they are adding content that is meant for people to do by themselves. If people want a themepark MMO there is no reason you shouldn't play WoW because it's the biggest. Which is obviously hard to compete with.

Guild Wars 2 does look great and offers stuff WoW doesn't like a dynamic combat system, dynamic events and more plus no subscription so I hope they do well and I'll be playing it on launch myself but there is no way GW2 will phase them. WoW's biggest competitor imo was Old Republic and well to me TOR feels dead and if 1.2 can't bring it back from life support it will be doomed to suffer like every other EA owned MMO. My biggest problem with Old Republic is Lucas Arts shutdown Star Wars Galaxies for it.

[Seboist]

Han Shot First wrote...

Good!

At this point I hope the Good Ship EA sinks to the bottom of the sea, and drags Bioware to the bottom with it.

Let's hope so.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Since we changed topics greatly with respect to "WoW killers" I'll say this, WoW will never truly die sadly, it is one of those things which is just so big, that worst case scenario is they merge servers, but still they are making insane profits from it, that they don't really care. Once it does start to fall, they release a new WoW or IP and continue on. Guild Wars has always been the alternative to P2P MMORPGs (aside from going true F2P, which are mostly crap), however I doubt it will pull subscribers away from Blizzard in the numbers people think it will. Guild Wars has always played different and I think Guild Wars 2 (from what I've experienced will follow same model). Personally I think like the FPS genre, there is always a poster-game, for FPS its COD (like it or not its true), and for MMORPGs its WoW. By name alone they can keep people coming back for more.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Also here is Activision for comparison sake, don't look at the share value as a whole relative to EA's but rather how its behaved over the past year or so (although surprisingly Activision/Blizzard shares have remained pretty constant in value overall)

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

http://www.nasdaq.co...atvi/historical

Some days I hate my life.

[Costin_Razvan]

Your fooling yourself if you honestly think Guild Wars 2, Secret World, Tera or any other MMO will cause WoW to die.

All of those together will make WoW take a big hit though. As far as I am concerned there is NOTHING they can do to WoW that would save it at this point. I mean they lost over 1 million subscribers in 2011. I am fairly certain they will lose more.

To be quite blunt about it, much of that has been due to Rift and SWTOR, both of which are WoW clones. The MMORPGs you mention aren't.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Emperor Palpatine: Once and for all we shall destroy the WoW from the face of the galaxy!

[vometia]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

EA is too big to fall [...]

I know you're saying the opposite, but I don't know why anyone would think EA is too big to fall.  I used to work for a far larger tech company than EA, namely DEC, who did just that.  And not because their products sucked, they were very good; it was largely because they stopped respecting their customers (once the late, great Ken Olson had been ousted in one of the more inexplicable boardroom decisions I've seen) though also due to them not being able to manage their way out of a paper bag.

No company is too big to fall.  Especially the ones that think they are.

[R660]

It's nice to know that big people can make big mistakes. And EA has made a lot of massive mistakes such as, everything they've done recently. Such as, Star Wars, Mass Effect Ending, Mass Effect DLC, and that stock image of Tali? That just took the absolute... Got a free Multiplayer update though, that's always nice, don't know why I have two Asari options for the same class though.

[LegendaryBlade]

vometia wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

EA is too big to fall [...]

I know you're saying the opposite, but I don't know why anyone would think EA is too big to fall.  I used to work for a far larger tech company than EA, namely DEC, who did just that.  And not because their products sucked, they were very good; it was largely because they stopped respecting their customers (once the late, great Ken Olson had been ousted in one of the more inexplicable boardroom decisions I've seen) though also due to them not being able to manage their way out of a paper bag.

No company is too big to fall.  Especially the ones that think they are.

I don't really know much about DEC, but I see what you're saying. It feels like such a different beast though, to actually want and be able to identify the mistakes EA is making that is causing their little gaming empire to fall. Like the above poster said, big people making big mistakes.

[R660]

Honestly I feel that it's EA's need to publicize everything that is killing them. Pushing games out of niche sectors to be more mainstream they're losing out an awful lot more than they're winning. Does everybody remember the 2D Adventures of Monkey Island? Then with Monkey Island 4 they attempted to "modernize" it to make it more appealing to standard players, resulting in rubbish 3D, crap jokes and a generally pants game. Does anybody even remember MI4?

[Homebound]

its funny, with EA tanking, and Sony tanking right now, the clear winner of the big three seems to be Nintendo?

[R660]

*Cough cough* Microsoft *cough cough*

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

R660 wrote...

*Cough cough* Microsoft *cough cough*

They aren't really doing too great either when you look at their gaming division alone, most and all of their growth can be attributed to their other products and services, but of the big three for console gaming, its hard to say who is performing the strongest in the industry.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Apple....ugh, and I dislike Apple's yuppy trash over-priced, over-designed hardware. iPods are nice...but that's all I can say for Apple, other than the fact they are doing well financially because most consumers are idiots.

[Sajji]

R660 wrote...

It's nice to know that big people can make big mistakes. And EA has made a lot of massive mistakes such as, everything they've done recently. Such as, Star Wars, Mass Effect Ending, Mass Effect DLC, and that stock image of Tali? That just took the absolute... Got a free Multiplayer update though, that's always nice, don't know why I have two Asari options for the same class though.

I can only speak for myself, but when I was a Mass Effect fan...and I was until the entire series got ruined by poor writing that just completely delegitimized the Reapers and was the epitome of lame...sold all three games and is officially the biggest letdown in entertainment or literature in my entire life...I don't or never did care about stupid multiplayer in what was up until a few months back a single player game. Maybe without multiplayer the story would have been better. Myself and others do not care one bit about the "multiplayer", although I'm glad you like it.

Modifié par Sajji, 13 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Sajji]

R660 wrote...

Honestly I feel that it's EA's need to publicize everything that is killing them. Pushing games out of niche sectors to be more mainstream they're losing out an awful lot more than they're winning. Does everybody remember the 2D Adventures of Monkey Island? Then with Monkey Island 4 they attempted to "modernize" it to make it more appealing to standard players, resulting in rubbish 3D, crap jokes and a generally pants game. Does anybody even remember MI4?

The first part of your statement is brilliant. Dead on accurate. And they JUST DON'T GET IT.

[Addai]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Apple....ugh, and I dislike Apple's yuppy trash over-priced, over-designed hardware. iPods are nice...but that's all I can say for Apple, other than the fact they are doing well financially because most consumers are idiots.

Not the iPad?  I want to buy a tablet but everyone seems to think iPads are the only way to go.

[LegendaryBlade]

Addai67 wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Apple....ugh, and I dislike Apple's yuppy trash over-priced, over-designed hardware. iPods are nice...but that's all I can say for Apple, other than the fact they are doing well financially because most consumers are idiots.

Not the iPad?  I want to buy a tablet but everyone seems to think iPads are the only way to go.

As someone who works in I.T, I can tell you the iPad is basically flushing your money down the toilet. It's actual specs are no where near as good as what you're paying for. Tablets are great, but Apple does what they always do with the iPad, and that's to basically charge you an extra $100+ dollars for their brand name. They're worse than Alienware about that, I swear.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 14 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

^ HP and Asus tablets are somewhat better and certainly cheaper. Samsung ones look good, but can't say for sure.

[R660]

Sajji wrote...

R660 wrote...

It's nice to know that big people can make big mistakes. And EA has made a lot of massive mistakes such as, everything they've done recently. Such as, Star Wars, Mass Effect Ending, Mass Effect DLC, and that stock image of Tali? That just took the absolute... Got a free Multiplayer update though, that's always nice, don't know why I have two Asari options for the same class though.

I can only speak for myself, but when I was a Mass Effect fan...and I was until the entire series got ruined by poor writing that just completely delegitimized the Reapers and was the epitome of lame...sold all three games and is officially the biggest letdown in entertainment or literature in my entire life...I don't or never did care about stupid multiplayer in what was up until a few months back a single player game. Maybe without multiplayer the story would have been better. Myself and others do not care one bit about the "multiplayer", although I'm glad you like it.

I think the mutliplayer is actually a nice addition to a single player game, on the end... if it was in Mass Effect 1 or 2 then I'd complain sure, or if there was going to be a Mass Effect 4. The fact they've tied it into the single player campaign and disabled offline play annoys me though, it's just punishing people who don't have an internet connection or xBox Live for not have an internet connection or xBox Live. And when I mentioned the update, I think we all know that, if it wasn't because Bioware was a little scared of the fans going into riot mode, it would have cost a good £4-£8, I just think it's nice that EA still fears the public a bit.

Found out why there are two asari options too. The second one is meant to be an Ardak. Yay. I bet you can all rest easier with that information huh?

[Mandalorian9]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Stock Market...the worst idea humanity ever had.

Mark my worlds - when the world economy collapses, it will be because of the financial systems became too inter-connected and the stock market. Isn't it ironic that the world is more vulnerable now than it was in the dark ages?

Corruption in the system is whats killing us. The banks are destroying one country after another financially, but this is another story for another forum.

[deuce985]

Eh, a lot of what the op said is false. They have a lot more variables in place...than simple pissed off fans for Bioware...

Sorry, this community doesn't have that much weight.

Has more to do with how the market as a whole is doing and SWTOR. Which by all accounts, SWTOR is actually doing pretty well at just 2 million subs? Something like that.